datzenmike Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 Ohhh De Caprio. Right, when it gets to Netflix I'll... (It does look interesting) 1 Link to comment
]2eDeYe Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 Understood that nothing is 'free' and one way or another it's paid for by workers through taxes to their government. Schooling is 'free'. Driving on paved interstate roads is 'free'. Why not 'free' medical coverage? Why put money from your pocket into an insurance companies profit pocket? Why not have the government be the insurer? None of that is free. I pay taxes that are supposed to cover that stuff yet the 'free' schools and our 'free' roads suck. The money I pay in property tax and fuel/titling tax for this gets spent in places it shouldn't and then the state 'has' to raise taxes and schools have to put bond measures on the ballot to cover it. As far as medical? I'd rather just pay the Dr directly and have only catastrophic coverage. This would lower my medical costs and keep money in my pocket and out of the insurance companies and the governments pockets. You are only proposing we pay the government instead of an insurance company. 2 Link to comment
Icehouse Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 Because those people understand that nothing is free no matter how many times a politician says it is. Correct nothing is free. However I'd rather have schools and medical insurance "free" than spending Trillions making more people hate us. Everyone should pay their fair share in taxes and we should lift those up who need it so everyone can be part of our system. It boggles my mind how little interest there is in the amount of money that is spent in war but a single mother getting a welfare check can drive everyone mad. That's just because the rest of those states are living welfare check to welfare check :D "most likely to live pay check to paycheck" Most likely.... That's the dumbest title I've ever read. Looks like Democrats prefer paycheck to paycheck. Republicans like people who can manage bills. Everyone likes Hawaii. Minnesota just has their shit together all the way around. Clinton left with tax surplus..... Bush first thing he did was lower taxes and start a war..... TV? I don't watch it. Otherwise I might actually start believing we are free. Me to buddy! TV cuts into my shop time! Link to comment
dhp123166 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 TV? I don't watch it. Otherwise I might actually start believing we are free. "Free"? Exactly what does that mean? The word has been repeated ad nauseum so much that it is bereft of meaning. I am a white male westerner and I think I am not "free"? I have bountiful food, clean water, a roof over my head, superior medical care and a way to generate money which allows me to exchange for the first items on this list. And I want more? I want to be "free"? The ability to live a greedy, wasteful non-productive life, with responsibility to no one? I had a great idea once, I was gonna go live off the grid in the search of being "free". So let's see, after hunting and farming my own food, making my own clothes, building my own shelter, and attending to myself medically I would finally be "free". I saw what a delusional joke this train of thought was, there is no such thing as being "free". WARNING; SOAPBOX ALERT People in this country have way too much and take way too much for granted. I quit filling my brain with poisons and the truth revealed itself. There's nothing funnier to me than some overfed slob with a beer in one hand, a cigarette in the other, whining and complaining about what is wrong with the world. Freedom. Every day I see and read about how people handle their freedom and the bad examples illustrate how ungrateful they are. Most people cannot handle freedom, they don't know what to do, but when someone tells them what to do they cop a resentment, " Don't tell me what to do maaaan!" I have come to the conclusion that we are gonna have to lose everything in order to figure out exactly what we have/ had. Then, just maybe, we might have a clue how precious real freedom is.... 1 Link to comment
Burabuda Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 Looks like Democrats prefer paycheck to paycheck. Republicans like people who can manage bills. Everyone likes Hawaii. Minnesota just has their shit together all the way around. peeps want to live in the hip areas and gladly live paycheck to paycheck to do so Link to comment
q-tip Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 It's not that the system of "free" exists that that it is tremendously taken advantage of. You have to take a drug test in order to get a job but not to be in state assistance. You have to pay an income tax when you have a job but not when you sell drugs in the street. The system is flawed and must be changed in order to work effectively. Link to comment
tr8er Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 I think you legally do need to pay tax on drug income. Your just crazy to try 1 Link to comment
bilzbobaggins Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 Seem to remember a story about Arizona. You can get tax stamps for weed bags and claim it on your taxes. You get arrested for doing it once you file though. Let me try to find that..... Link to comment
q-tip Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 I think you legally do need to pay tax on drug income. Your just crazy to try If you deal in all cash there isn't a tracabke source of income, you can get away with it if you don't flaunt it around like an idiot.......I know some of those idiots.... Link to comment
tr8er Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 If you deal in all cash there isn't a tracabke source of income, you can get away with it if you don't flaunt it around like an idiot.......I know some of those idiots.... I actually want to pay taxes. I get a lot in return. Like Icehouse said, I just wish it wasn't used for war 1 Link to comment
tr8er Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 I love how crazy rich assholes (not all rich people, just the assholes) dodge taxes, exploit loopholes, use tax havens etc. to the point that they pay little to no taxes. Then they raise fist at entitlements. While driving on state and city roadways with subsidized gas to give an example of an entitlement... Link to comment
DaBlist Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 Wish more Murican's was Irish 6 Link to comment
q-tip Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 German, Irish and Scottish, don't fuck with my money my booze or my freedom and we will get along just fine. Link to comment
Mattndew76 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 Understood that nothing is 'free' and one way or another it's paid for by workers through taxes to their government. Schooling is 'free'. Driving on paved interstate roads is 'free'. Why not 'free' medical coverage? Why put money from your pocket into an insurance companies profit pocket? Why not have the government be the insurer?Oregon has taxes added to the fuel prices as a driving tax. Driving is not free here. A government providing health care is dumb. Where would be the incentive for people on a guaranteed income to provide good service?? Ever sit in the DMV? Holy hell it would suck. In the US 1 hour is the average wait time to be seen in an EM room. Canada for the same issue the EM room has a 12-24 hour average wait time considering population of area. I used a Canadian EM room once.. I left 8 hours later and had My wife drive me to Washington and was seen by a doctor within 30 minutes.... Although for $800 out of pocket I could have went to a private Canadian clinic to be seen ASAP as well. Private healthcare still provides far superior service and care than any social system does. 4 Link to comment
Mattndew76 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 I love how crazy rich assholes (not all rich people, just the assholes) dodge taxes, exploit loopholes, use tax havens etc. to the point that they pay little to no taxes. Then they raise fist at entitlements. While driving on state and city roadways with subsidized gas to give an example of an entitlement... I make 45,000-65,000 in taxable income year to year. I have an accountant that affords me these same LEGAL tax statutes "loop holes" to save on a tax burden. At that average she can through my expenses get me down to 10% My best year of income was $125,000 but because of the bracket I was bumped into there is no way to reduce below 25% So why is it soo bad that if I made $10,000,000 in a year, and I was able to use my legal tax statutes "loop holes" to pay $1,000,000 in taxes? It's still 10% like I did on my average income. It's still a "fair share" $4500 vs $1,000,000 Catch phrases and well placed words make anything look bad. 1 Link to comment
Icehouse Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 Your sample group is kinda small. One visit to one hospital on one occasion... I hope you don't work in a research company :) Just because the DMV can suck doesn't mean everything state ran does. Also I'd trade wait times for everyone being able to get the help they need. No one should be forced into debt over an illness. All of my Canadian buddies laugh at our system. Lots of them wont' even come down unless they buy "out of country insurance" before they leave. I spent lots of time in lots of hospitals with my brother. It's fucked to think that every hospital could look like the Childrens Hospital If we gave two shits about everyone. That place is bar non the best hospital every. Link to comment
Icehouse Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 I think there should be a maximum wage aka 90% taxable income over a million or two a year. Link to comment
Mattndew76 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 I can flood this thread with tons of Canadian gripes about socialized hospitals. One interview of how her daughter losing both legs because of government scheduling or saying her illness isn't severe enough to warrant care. Yet the girl ended up an amputee because of socialist system red tape. The poor still get fucked Jeff. The difference between my opinion and yours.. Mine actually has first hand experience and not third party stories. 1 Link to comment
q-tip Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 The poor always get fucked, always have and always will. The all mighty money is what truely rules the world. 4 Link to comment
bananahamuck Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 I would loooooooooooooooooooove to see these emergency rooms that get you in, in an hour... That fact : :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: 2 Link to comment
Mattndew76 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 Riverbend, Mckenzie Willamette.... Local ones heck even CG gets you in within an hour. But like anywhere it can change based on severity ailment.Don't be myopic. https://projects.propublica.org/emergency/ Link to comment
bananahamuck Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 Yeah sure.. You spend alot of time in the emergency waiting rooms then?? because pulling "facts" out of your ass doesn't make them true... Before you answer and show your true ignorance on the subject,, ,, i have to say up till this last year we as a family have spent at least 15 days a year for 14 years in the MANY emergency rooms from here to Children's hospital in Seattle. . Link to comment
bananahamuck Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 Actually Childrens is the worst, wait times of all the hospitals we go to. And FYI,,, we go to the ER,,, NOT because we don't have full unlimited coverage but because it is usually ,,in fact,, a dire emergency.. We have a pediatrician ,, and 10 other specialists for the twins ,, not including the two groups of doctors and students at the Children's and U-Dub doing their genetic research projects,,, Right this minute Link to comment
The Taterhead Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 I would loooooooooooooooooooove to see these emergency rooms that get you in, in an hour... That fact : :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: 2 of our hospitals nearby have a 30 minute or less guarantee. The last time I was at one of them it took about 10 minutes before getting my own room. Link to comment
The Taterhead Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 Although that policy is fairly new. A few years ago at the same hospital it took about 4 hours to be seen in the hallway. :lol: Link to comment
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