Covid-19 Prepared?

[a.d._510_n_ok]

[Dav]

There’s a relatively new show on the boob tube called The Proof Is Out There.

 

It is opposed to the question shows that only ask questions and provide vague references to ideas that could be true if you only listened to them enough. Oak Island is an example of a question show.

 

The Proof Is Out There is a half hour and is still a bit conspiratorial, but most of the time they call bullshit bullshit - they call unknowns unknowns.

 

The important idea is that they provide an answer - they don’t provide endless questions with no end and no answers. Somewhat refreshing to those who prefer to not be lead around by the mindless.

[datzenmike]

3 hours ago, Ooph! said:

 

Sorry not gonna help you, part of the point is to actually see for yourself and decide on what a fact might be

 

This tells me all I need to know.

[Dav]

Just a cut and paste job for information from the mainstream so you can have something to chew on a little this morning. You are correct in that there is no intelligence in posting it here. Enjoy!

Several scientists who study viruses and emergent diseases said they welcome the review of biosafety policies. “I think it’s really important to review this stuff and to regulate it, and make sure that it’s regulated in the right way,” said Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at the University of Saskatchewan. She acknowledged that the review will be conducted amid a maelstrom of conjectures and conspiracy theories about the coronavirus’s origin. “Thanks to Twitter and thanks to the ‘lab leak’ [conjecture], we have a lot of newly minted biosecurity experts in the social mediaverse,” she said. “Really, the biggest thing that’s going to be important to communicate to the public is that this is not an investigation of the lab leak theory.” Kristian Andersen, an immunologist and infectious-disease expert at Scripps Research who was the lead author of a March 2020 Nature Medicine paper saying the coronavirus was not engineered, said an upgrade to safety procedures would be timely given new knowledge about coronaviruses.

 

“That has nothing to do with trying to understand the origin of the pandemic,” he said. The scientific community has generally rejected the broad spectrum of “lab leak” theories, which range from China intentionally developing a bioweapon — a possibility U.S. intelligence agencies ruled out — to a purely accidental leak of a virus that researchers were unaware was in their laboratory. Obstructionism and lack of transparency from the Chinese government have impeded independent investigations of the virus origin. Some Republicans in Congress and conservative media commentators have contended, without hard evidence, that the origin of the virus involved a Chinese research facility, with most attention focused on the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

Some research there was partially funded by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, led for nearly four decades by Anthony S. Fauci, President Biden’s chief medical adviser for the pandemic. There is no evidence the novel coronavirus was ever in the Wuhan Institute of Virology before the pandemic.

 

Scientists who explore the emergence of the novel coronavirus largely favor the hypothesis that it originated through a purely natural “zoonosis,” probably involving animals sold at the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan. A significant percentage of the first patients identified with covid-19 had direct links to the sprawling market or lived nearby.

 

The market hypothesis was further advanced Saturday with the posting online of two scientific papers, not yet peer-reviewed or published in a journal, written by large collaborations of scientists and together arguing that the market was clearly the epicenter of the pandemic. One paper provided an analysis of the geographical clustering of patients in the vicinity of the market.

 

The authors of that study — Rasmussen and Andersen among them — said environmental samples inside the market showed the virus was disproportionately evident in stalls selling animals. Five positive samples were in a stall that had been seen by one of the paper’s authors in 2014 selling raccoon dogs, a mammal capable of carrying coronaviruses. The other paper said genetic analysis of early cases revealed the presence of two independent lineages of the virus. That suggested to the authors that the “spillover” from an animal happened not once but twice and possibly even more often — with the additional lineages hitting a dead end without gaining traction in the community.
 

Although the clustering of cases in and around the market has been known since the start of the pandemic, proponents of the “lab leak” conjectures have said the market could have been merely the location of a superspreader event. The new research leaves many questions yet to be answered, noted Andersen, a co-author on both papers.

 

“We pinpointed the market, but that’s basically all we know. We don’t know which animals, we don’t know where they came from,” Andersen said.

 

Scientists are hoping Chinese researchers release more raw data from the environmental samples described in a paper posted online Friday but not yet peer-reviewed. The paper said it “provided convincing evidence of the prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 in the Huanan Seafood Market during the early stage of COVID-19 outbreak.”

 

The newly posted scientific papers should end debate about where the pandemic began, said Robert F. Garry, a Tulane University virologist who was a co-author on both papers as well as the 2020 Nature Medicine report.

 

“It pretty much screws the lid on it as far as I’m concerned,” said Garry, who has been among the most vocal opponents of the lab leak speculation.

 

Echoing Andersen, Garry said NIH’s biosafety review is necessary given new discoveries of viruses that circulate in great quantity in bats and can jump easily into other animals, potentially triggering another pandemic. One example: BANAL-20-52, a coronavirus discovered in Laos that Garry believes could be an ancestor, or close relative, of the novel coronavirus.

 

Many researchers believe these viruses should be studied only in high-security facilities, Garry said in an email.

 

“Virologists are very tired of being painted as reckless cowboys,” he said, adding that regulations covering experiments are already “very comprehensive.”

[wayno]

2 hours ago, Dav said:

Just a cut and paste job for information from the mainstream so you can have something to chew on a little this morning. You are correct in that there is no intelligence in posting it here. Enjoy!

Several scientists who study viruses and emergent diseases said they welcome the review of biosafety policies. “I think it’s really important to review this stuff and to regulate it, and make sure that it’s regulated in the right way,” said Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at the University of Saskatchewan. She acknowledged that the review will be conducted amid a maelstrom of conjectures and conspiracy theories about the coronavirus’s origin. “Thanks to Twitter and thanks to the ‘lab leak’ [conjecture], we have a lot of newly minted biosecurity experts in the social mediaverse,” she said. “Really, the biggest thing that’s going to be important to communicate to the public is that this is not an investigation of the lab leak theory.” Kristian Andersen, an immunologist and infectious-disease expert at Scripps Research who was the lead author of a March 2020 Nature Medicine paper saying the coronavirus was not engineered, said an upgrade to safety procedures would be timely given new knowledge about coronaviruses.

 

“That has nothing to do with trying to understand the origin of the pandemic,” he said. The scientific community has generally rejected the broad spectrum of “lab leak” theories, which range from China intentionally developing a bioweapon — a possibility U.S. intelligence agencies ruled out — to a purely accidental leak of a virus that researchers were unaware was in their laboratory. Obstructionism and lack of transparency from the Chinese government have impeded independent investigations of the virus origin. Some Republicans in Congress and conservative media commentators have contended, without hard evidence, that the origin of the virus involved a Chinese research facility, with most attention focused on the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

Some research there was partially funded by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, led for nearly four decades by Anthony S. Fauci, President Biden’s chief medical adviser for the pandemic. There is no evidence the novel coronavirus was ever in the Wuhan Institute of Virology before the pandemic.

 

Scientists who explore the emergence of the novel coronavirus largely favor the hypothesis that it originated through a purely natural “zoonosis,” probably involving animals sold at the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan. A significant percentage of the first patients identified with covid-19 had direct links to the sprawling market or lived nearby.

 

The market hypothesis was further advanced Saturday with the posting online of two scientific papers, not yet peer-reviewed or published in a journal, written by large collaborations of scientists and together arguing that the market was clearly the epicenter of the pandemic. One paper provided an analysis of the geographical clustering of patients in the vicinity of the market.

 

The authors of that study — Rasmussen and Andersen among them — said environmental samples inside the market showed the virus was disproportionately evident in stalls selling animals. Five positive samples were in a stall that had been seen by one of the paper’s authors in 2014 selling raccoon dogs, a mammal capable of carrying coronaviruses. The other paper said genetic analysis of early cases revealed the presence of two independent lineages of the virus. That suggested to the authors that the “spillover” from an animal happened not once but twice and possibly even more often — with the additional lineages hitting a dead end without gaining traction in the community.
 

Although the clustering of cases in and around the market has been known since the start of the pandemic, proponents of the “lab leak” conjectures have said the market could have been merely the location of a superspreader event. The new research leaves many questions yet to be answered, noted Andersen, a co-author on both papers.

 

“We pinpointed the market, but that’s basically all we know. We don’t know which animals, we don’t know where they came from,” Andersen said.

 

Scientists are hoping Chinese researchers release more raw data from the environmental samples described in a paper posted online Friday but not yet peer-reviewed. The paper said it “provided convincing evidence of the prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 in the Huanan Seafood Market during the early stage of COVID-19 outbreak.”

 

The newly posted scientific papers should end debate about where the pandemic began, said Robert F. Garry, a Tulane University virologist who was a co-author on both papers as well as the 2020 Nature Medicine report.

 

“It pretty much screws the lid on it as far as I’m concerned,” said Garry, who has been among the most vocal opponents of the lab leak speculation.

 

Echoing Andersen, Garry said NIH’s biosafety review is necessary given new discoveries of viruses that circulate in great quantity in bats and can jump easily into other animals, potentially triggering another pandemic. One example: BANAL-20-52, a coronavirus discovered in Laos that Garry believes could be an ancestor, or close relative, of the novel coronavirus.

 

Many researchers believe these viruses should be studied only in high-security facilities, Garry said in an email.

 

“Virologists are very tired of being painted as reckless cowboys,” he said, adding that regulations covering experiments are already “very comprehensive.”

 

You do realize we have a Virologists opinion on Ratsun that looked at this virus back in 2020 I believe, or is that too far back for your sheeple brain to process?

[Str8jacket]

Short version - the virologists Fauci paid to say it came from the wet market when it was illegal to mention lab leak back in 2020 have spent the last 2 years manufacturing enough evidence to prove themselves correct. We are going to slip this in while the Ukraine diversion is going so it gets accepted and people's attention moves on, forgetting about the whole covid emergency in light of our newly designed emergency. 

[thisismatt]

Kristian Andersen, an immunologist and infectious-disease expert at Scripps Research who was the lead author of a March 2020 Nature Medicine paper saying the coronavirus was not engineered

 

So basically, before anyone knew anything, he/she goes ahead and claims it was not engineered. That's helpful. Meanwhile, Peter Daszak, who was chairman of The Lancet’s task force investigating the origins of Covid-19, has to be removed/recused from that position after trying to bury his involvement.  Now, we see there is a sequence patented by Moderna that is fairly unique and shows up in SARS-CoV-2...weird. Of course China doesn't give us any reason to be skeptical.  It's funny how a bunch of "conspiracy" theories keep coming true.  The left is really closed minded considering how much they espouse open mindedness...or maybe they're so open minded their brains leaked out?

[datzenmike]

Angela Rasmussen says "that this is not an investigation of the lab leak theory" but spends the rest of the article dancing around it with excuses on 'how it really happened'.

 

 

Doesn't change my mind that that rat bastard Fauci is up to his neck in this shit. Every city and town in China has an outdoor market that sells live animals. If this outbreak had happened anywhere else it might be believable but nooooooo it happened beside the Wuhan lab for studying corona viruses. What happened to Occam's razor??? that the simplest answer is likely the correct one. Jesus titty fucking Christ everyone give your fuckin' head a shake.

[jbirds510]

Hmmmm.. Guess we can now add the HIGHLY prestigious OXFORD UNIVERSITY to the long list of anti narrative disinformation promoters.

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/science-blog/wet-market-sources-covid-19-bats-and-pangolins-have-alibi

 

@Dav gfys troll

Edited March 2, 2022 by jbirds510

[Dguy210]

6 hours ago, wayno said:

 

You do realize we have a Virologists opinion on Ratsun that looked at this virus back in 2020 I believe, or is that too far back for your sheeple brain to process?

 

Yes and I was saying it looked like a lab leak to me at the start. Based just on the fact it showed up next to the FUCKING LAB THAT STUDIES IT.

[angliagt]

         That's just a coincidence (I read  that on the internet,so it must be true).

[datzenmike]

Coincidences..... the universe is rarely so lazy.

[Mattndew76]

Yall challenging Dav's undivided faith that the GUBBERMENT is his savior. They never lie for nefarious reasons. They're so good to us all....Yall just RACISTS!!!!

[Dav]

“Thanks to Twitter and thanks to the ‘lab leak’ [conjecture], we have a lot of newly minted biosecurity experts in the social mediaverse,”

 

 

[datsuntech]

Further down that rabbit hole.. the virology lab here in Winnipeg has ties to the Wuhan lab...

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/1800416/wake-up-call-for-canada-security-experts-say-case-of-2-fired-scientists-could-point-to-espionage

[jbirds510]

11 hours ago, datsuntech said:

Further down that rabbit hole.. the virology lab here in Winnipeg has ties to the Wuhan lab...

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/rci/en/news/1800416/wake-up-call-for-canada-security-experts-say-case-of-2-fired-scientists-could-point-to-espionage

 Ties to UC Davis also. 30 miles away on 28november2019 my dad contracted and died from this bs. 3 MONTHS before the term COVID was coined and declared. He contracted this bitch at a VA hospital.  I think the term “leak” was leaked as a fall back should they get caught they could claim it an accident.. I feel the more appropriate term is RELEASED. Obviously I cant prove it but based on the track record of all parties involved I doubt anyone would be shocked if it were to come to light.

[datzenmike]

This assumes it was a deliberate release??????? To what end????? Seems a little tin foil hat to think it deliberate. If we are all in the same lifeboat, is it wise to start shooting holes in the bottom? If China, why in the same city as the virology lab???? Not much of this adds up.

[Mattndew76]

I kinda recall the Chinese Lab official that was disappeared saying patient (deceased) zero was bitten multiple times and urinated on by the test subject from that lab, sequentially after that the nation of China was in a full swing viral outbreak. This Doctor/Official was silenced in November 2019

 

Lab protocol didn't seem to be a strong focus within Chinese culture. Like the communists of Russia or the Uni-party Elites in the USA. Its time to cover everything up and ask for forgiveness 40 years later. 

 

Epoch Times was my source info, and South Korean news.

 

 

 

Edited March 3, 2022 by Mattndew76

[Dav]

Not trying to change any mind here - that does not seem likely. Here’s a link to an NPR article - yes the liberal media funded by the government - that has more detail on the Wuhan market being the probable source. They do not rule out a lab leak completely.

 

The interesting part of the article is they provide a graphic of the places COVID was found in the market and the types of activities that went on in those stalls. It has color coding of the info, so easy to follow. It has timeline info and photos too.

 

Yes a written article from the radio. If you like detail - here it is.

 

As always , comments from the commentators are welcome.

 

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/03/03/1083751272/striking-new-evidence-points-to-seafood-market-in-wuhan-as-pandemic-origin-point?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab

Edited March 4, 2022 by Dav

[datzenmike]

If there are people who believe in flying saucers, Sasquatches, or that the world is flat and still remain unconvinced in the face of a preponderance of facts, then please allow me to remain totally unconvinced that in all the world, a single virology lab in a country with little over sight, experimenting on corona viruses to make them more contagious, was not the source of the outbreak.

[Mattndew76]

Its the fish

[datzenmike]

 

[Mattndew76]

"Bad dates."

 

I wore out 2 VHS versions of that movie as a kid. 

 

The TV version was always the directors cut with voice edits..

Edited March 4, 2022 by Mattndew76

[datzenmike]

 Fun movie and so was last crusade. Temple of doom started out ok then tanked.  

[datzenmike]

I left something out, but it was after all, totally forgettable.