destruction of america

[Mattndew76]

#FJB

Anyone here down with an eastern European war? 

 

 

[Ooph!]

42 minutes ago, Mattndew76 said:

#FJB

Anyone here down with an eastern European war? 

 

 

 

Brought to you by the same people that messed up Iraq and ran from Afghanistan with tails between their legs.

We really do not have a good history of conducting small wars and occupations the last true success was WWII

 The situation with Russia shows the selfish short sided special interests kept themselves in power after the Berlin wall fell and the Soviet Union ceased to exist. We should have been there shaking hands and helping the Russians and the others like we did after WWII with the Germans and Japanese but instead we made them occupy the position of continual enemy.

Edited February 2, 2022 by Ooph!

[datzenmike]

The historic plan to protect mother Russia from invasion is to have a buffer zone of satellite socialist countries between it and her neighbors to the east/west and south. The US is almost impossible to invade with long supply lines across the US dominated Atlantic and Pacific oceans acting as a moat around a castle and friendly trade partners to north and south. After the fall of communism several of the Warsaw Pact (western buffer zone) actually seceded and joined the NATO Pact countries of eastern Europe formed to counter the Warsaw Pact after WW2. Russia just want to go back to the way things were.... and who can say what her end game really is.

 

Well fuck Putin and his saber rattling. Just like Hitler (I just want this little bit of land and I'll be satisfied) appeasement in the face of aggression has historically had disastrous results. Just ask Nevil Chamberlain. Speak softly and carry a big stick.   

 

It does not help that a brain dead is in the White House and after the Afghanistan withdrawal debacle the US looks very weak and indecisive.

[Ooph!]

3 hours ago, datzenmike said:

The historic plan to protect mother Russia from invasion is to have a buffer zone of satellite socialist countries between it and her neighbors to the east/west and south. The US is almost impossible to invade with long supply lines across the US dominated Atlantic and Pacific oceans acting as a moat around a castle and friendly trade partners to north and south. After the fall of communism several of the Warsaw Pact (western buffer zone) actually seceded and joined the NATO Pact countries of eastern Europe formed to counter the Warsaw Pact after WW2. Russia just want to go back to the way things were.... and who can say what her end game really is.

 

Well fuck Putin and his saber rattling. Just like Hitler (I just want this little bit of land and I'll be satisfied) appeasement in the face of aggression has historically had disastrous results. Just ask Nevil Chamberlain. Speak softly and carry a big stick.   

 

It does not help that a brain dead is in the White House and after the Afghanistan withdrawal debacle the US looks very weak and indecisive.

 

You seem to miss the point.

Russia after the Soviet Union ceased to exist was left to its own devices and the special interests continued to keep it in the enemy category. The enemy ceased to exist until we made them into one by forcing them down this path. The only rattling is coming from the special interests, not so much the Russians and even Volodymyr Zelensky Pres. Ukraine said in an interview he had asked President puppet ahem Biden to calm it down.

[datzenmike]

Tomato tomato... I don't think the west amassed armed forces on Russia's borders. (although Ukraine's future joining NATO must smart) Indeed it's the other way around. It's Putin that needs to back the fuck down.

[john510]

7 hours ago, Mattndew76 said:

#FJB

Anyone here down with an eastern European war? 

 

 

Biden doesn't have the balls to get involved.Which is probably why this situation is happening.

[angliagt]

     I think you mean he doesn't have the brain to.

I always wonder if Putin had a hard time keeping

a straight face when he met with Biden.He was

probably thinking "Just how did this idiot get to be president?".

[Mattndew76]

The shit bag moved 3000 additional men to the region....

[datzenmike]

Which 'shit bag'?

[Mattndew76]

lol FJB

 

There are a lot of bags. 🤣

[a.d._510_n_ok]

[Dguy210]

[frankendat]

11 hours ago, datzenmike said:

...(T)he Afghanistan withdrawal debacle the US looks very weak and indecisive.

The US is very weak and indecisive. Those in power sucking money and souls from citizens and promoting conflict, both national and international to serve selfish agendas. I am lost how ANYONE would support ANY politician or platform that promoted the fast exit from Afghanistan. America the great superpower couldn't control a tribe of third world, poorly armed zealots. (Thanks for leaving a billion dollars of first world arms, that's never going to come back and bite us in the ass (sarcasm font)).

The ONLY reason we ran from Afghanistan like little girls, is for a decade we have been fighting with our hands behind our back. Hands off leadership fails in parenting, fails in policing, and fails in leading. 

If you think America is not considered the land of douchbags, then imagine if Biden had proclaimed(as he should have) the famous line from Clint Eastwood's character in Unforgiven " All right, I'm coming out! Any man I see out there, I'm gonna kill him! Any sonofabitch takes a shot at me.. I'm not only gonna kill him, I'm gonna kill his wife, all his friends, and burn his damn house down!"

The world knows America is all talk, Americas (majority) are too soft for war and have proven it in every conflict since Viet Nam. It might have been the best of the bad options to leave Afghanistan, I don't think so, but I'm not known for thinking. What I do know is any equipment abandoned should have been scuttled, if sniper fire came from an area, then either patrolling AH-64's and\or patrolling  A-10's would level everything in a block radius to ash. It should have been a slow methodical exit.

 

As much as I hate looking like Putin's bitch, America lacks money, and the will to engage in an across the world fight. Putin has the resources to bankrupt America in a drawn out "conflict" doubly so, because it is in his back yard.

 

[Duncan]

More humor from California "leaders"

 

 

[Ooph!]

1 hour ago, Duncan said:

More humor from California "leaders"

 

 

 

Nothing to see here move along.

He said I held my breath, and that shows how stupid the California voters are.

Edited February 3, 2022 by Ooph!

[angliagt]

1 hour ago, Duncan said:

More humor from California "leaders"

 

 

 

                "I didn't exhale".

              

[angliagt]

11 hours ago, frankendat said:

The US is very weak and indecisive. Those in power sucking money and souls from citizens and promoting conflict, both national and international to serve selfish agendas. I am lost how ANYONE would support ANY politician or platform that promoted the fast exit from Afghanistan. America the great superpower couldn't control a tribe of third world, poorly armed zealots. (Thanks for leaving a billion dollars of first world arms, that's never going to come back and bite us in the ass (sarcasm font)).

The ONLY reason we ran from Afghanistan like little girls, is for a decade we have been fighting with our hands behind our back. Hands off leadership fails in parenting, fails in policing, and fails in leading. 

If you think America is not considered the land of douchbags, then imagine if Biden had proclaimed(as he should have) the famous line from Clint Eastwood's character in Unforgiven " All right, I'm coming out! Any man I see out there, I'm gonna kill him! Any sonofabitch takes a shot at me.. I'm not only gonna kill him, I'm gonna kill his wife, all his friends, and burn his damn house down!"

The world knows America is all talk, Americas (majority) are too soft for war and have proven it in every conflict since Viet Nam. It might have been the best of the bad options to leave Afghanistan, I don't think so, but I'm not known for thinking. What I do know is any equipment abandoned should have been scuttled, if sniper fire came from an area, then either patrolling AH-64's and\or patrolling  A-10's would level everything in a block radius to ash. It should have been a slow methodical exit.

 

As much as I hate looking like Putin's bitch, America lacks money, and the will to engage in an across the world fight. Putin has the resources to bankrupt America in a drawn out "conflict" doubly so, because it is in his back yard.

 

 

           I feel sorry for the soldiers who fought there,& thought they were making a difference,

only to see it all handed back to the Taliban.

           And then there were the "Rules of Engagement",which tied there hands.

[datzenmike]

Well I hope and believe that there were many seeds sown there. Many with vision who saw what could be and might agitate for change in the future. Who knows???

 

One of the most appalling treacheries was abandoning the Kurds in northern Iraq. Disgraceful action.

 

 

This is certainly the greatest speech of my time. Worth reading by every American. Anyone remember the speaker??? You should.

 

We observe today not a victory of party but a celebration of freedom--symbolizing an end as well as a beginning--signifying renewal as well as change. For I have sworn before you and Almighty God the same solemn oath our forbears prescribed nearly a century and three-quarters ago.

The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe--the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God.

We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans--born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage--and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world.

Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.

This much we pledge--and more.

To those old allies whose cultural and spiritual origins we share, we pledge the loyalty of faithful friends. United there is little we cannot do in a host of cooperative ventures. Divided there is little we can do--for we dare not meet a powerful challenge at odds and split asunder.

To those new states whom we welcome to the ranks of the free, we pledge our word that one form of colonial control shall not have passed away merely to be replaced by a far more iron tyranny. We shall not always expect to find them supporting our view. But we shall always hope to find them strongly supporting their own freedom--and to remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside.

To those people in the huts and villages of half the globe struggling to break the bonds of mass misery, we pledge our best efforts to help them help themselves, for whatever period is required--not because the communists may be doing it, not because we seek their votes, but because it is right. If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.

To our sister republics south of our border, we offer a special pledge--to convert our good words into good deeds--in a new alliance for progress--to assist free men and free governments in casting off the chains of poverty. But this peaceful revolution of hope cannot become the prey of hostile powers. Let all our neighbors know that we shall join with them to oppose aggression or subversion anywhere in the Americas. And let every other power know that this Hemisphere intends to remain the master of its own house.

To that world assembly of sovereign states, the United Nations, our last best hope in an age where the instruments of war have far outpaced the instruments of peace, we renew our pledge of support--to prevent it from becoming merely a forum for invective--to strengthen its shield of the new and the weak--and to enlarge the area in which its writ may run.

Finally, to those nations who would make themselves our adversary, we offer not a pledge but a request: that both sides begin anew the quest for peace, before the dark powers of destruction unleashed by science engulf all humanity in planned or accidental self-destruction.

We dare not tempt them with weakness. For only when our arms are sufficient beyond doubt can we be certain beyond doubt that they will never be employed.

But neither can two great and powerful groups of nations take comfort from our present course--both sides overburdened by the cost of modern weapons, both rightly alarmed by the steady spread of the deadly atom, yet both racing to alter that uncertain balance of terror that stays the hand of mankind's final war.

So let us begin anew--remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness, and sincerity is always subject to proof. Let us never negotiate out of fear. But let us never fear to negotiate.

Let both sides explore what problems unite us instead of belaboring those problems which divide us.

Let both sides, for the first time, formulate serious and precise proposals for the inspection and control of arms--and bring the absolute power to destroy other nations under the absolute control of all nations.

Let both sides seek to invoke the wonders of science instead of its terrors. Together let us explore the stars, conquer the deserts, eradicate disease, tap the ocean depths and encourage the arts and commerce.

Let both sides unite to heed in all corners of the earth the command of Isaiah--to "undo the heavy burdens . . . (and) let the oppressed go free."

And if a beachhead of cooperation may push back the jungle of suspicion, let both sides join in creating a new endeavor, not a new balance of power, but a new world of law, where the strong are just and the weak secure and the peace preserved.

All this will not be finished in the first one hundred days. Nor will it be finished in the first one thousand days, nor in the life of this Administration, nor even perhaps in our lifetime on this planet. But let us begin.

In your hands, my fellow citizens, more than mine, will rest the final success or failure of our course. Since this country was founded, each generation of Americans has been summoned to give testimony to its national loyalty. The graves of young Americans who answered the call to service surround the globe.

Now the trumpet summons us again--not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need--not as a call to battle, though embattled we are-- but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, "rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation"--a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease and war itself.

Can we forge against these enemies a grand and global alliance, North and South, East and West, that can assure a more fruitful life for all mankind? Will you join in that historic effort?

In the long history of the world, only a few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its hour of maximum danger. I do not shrink from this responsibility--I welcome it. I do not believe that any of us would exchange places with any other people or any other generation. The energy, the faith, the devotion which we bring to this endeavor will light our country and all who serve it--and the glow from that fire can truly light the world.

And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you--ask what you can do for your country.

My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.

Finally, whether you are citizens of America or citizens of the world, ask of us here the same high standards of strength and sacrifice which we ask of you. With a good conscience our only sure reward, with history the final judge of our deeds, let us go forth to lead the land we love, asking His blessing and His help, but knowing that here on earth God's work must truly be our own.

 

[angliagt]

         That line "Ask not what your country can do for you" - I wish most citizens here in the US

would believe (& follow) it.

           Too many here are asking for,and expecting the Government to take care of them.

[a.d._510_n_ok]

[yenpit]

3 hours ago, a.d._510_n_ok said:

 

 

It does kinda look like her.............

[john510]

On 2/3/2022 at 8:22 AM, Duncan said:

More humor from California "leaders"

 

 

Just unbelievable that people vote for this shit. When he said he held his breath i thought wow this guy is not very bright.Then he says zero percent chance of spreading anything.If you voted for this guy you're as dumb as he is.

[a.d._510_n_ok]

[datzenmike]

They'd like to roofie you and fuck you ..... hard!!!! pretty boy.

[Ooph!]

Ok, over my head I missed it, who is he?