destruction of america

[datzenmike]

1 hour ago, thisismatt said:

What's wrong with America in one story...

 

https://nypost.com/2020/09/19/vt-grocery-store-worker-fired-after-apprehending-purse-snatcher/amp/

 

WinTF???? Someone tell that kid he's in America.... the most litigious country on the planet. Sue the store for something.

[john510]

1 hour ago, thisismatt said:

What's wrong with America in one story...

 

https://nypost.com/2020/09/19/vt-grocery-store-worker-fired-after-apprehending-purse-snatcher/amp/

My wife works at Home Depot.Employees can watch a shoplifter do their thing but they can't intervene in any way.They're not even allowed to pursue them out of the store and try to get a license plate number.This is one of those things that gripes my ass about that place.They could hire private security for that store and it would pay for itself over and over.Corporate doesn't think it's a big enough issue for some odd reason.An invite to take whatever you want is what it is.

[john510]

16 hours ago, BrothersGarage said:

Good thing most of my links aren't to our media but sources outside of the US.
 

By living in our society you already agree to most of these rules wither you choose to take advantage of them or not though. 

Links to media sources from outside of the country must be accurate i'm sure.LOL.

[datzenmike]

20 minutes ago, john510 said:

My wife works at Home Depot.Employees can watch a shoplifter do their thing but they can't intervene in any way.They're not even allowed to pursue them out of the store and try to get a license plate number.This is one of those things that gripes my ass about that place.They could hire private security for that store and it would pay for itself over and over.Corporate doesn't think it's a big enough issue for some odd reason.An invite to take whatever you want is what it is.

 

If the alleged thief were to fall, get hit by someone parking or pull a hamstring they would sue the owner of the parking lot.... see below...

 

29 minutes ago, datzenmike said:

 

WinTF???? Someone tell that kid he's in America.... the most litigious country on the planet. Sue the store for something.

 

 

 

 

17 minutes ago, john510 said:

Links to media sources from outside of the country must be accurate i'm sure.LOL.

 

 One things for sure the vast majority (pretty much all) internal American media sources have proven themselves over and over again to be biased, totally full of shit and untrustworthy. I wouldn't make the assumption that all (outside) sources are. I would still read them with some skepticism.

[Mattndew76]

I would say this is the era of information but only through diligence and awareness. 
 

Foreign press has their own alliances with American media corporations. Heck many of outlets in western societies are under the same corporate ownership.  
 

we can research their benefactors. 

[Jesse C.]

 

 

[BrothersGarage]

34 minutes ago, john510 said:

Links to media sources from outside of the country must be accurate i'm sure.LOL.

They have less of a chance of being biased than those in the US. As I have stated before if they still are fishy, I would dig deeper into them.

But again dude, what are your sources that you get your information from? Facebook? Youtube? The Radio? Casting chicken bones onto a plate of lambs blood? 

I'm interested in seeing shit from your side but you still don't care to share...

[banzai510(hainz)]

40 minutes ago, john510 said:

My wife works at Home Depot.Employees can watch a shoplifter do their thing but they can't intervene in any way.They're not even allowed to pursue them out of the store and try to get a license plate number.This is one of those things that gripes my ass about that place.They could hire private security for that store and it would pay for itself over and over.Corporate doesn't think it's a big enough issue for some odd reason.An invite to take whatever you want is what it is.

This is my neighbors!!!!!!!  always trying to selling me stuff from Home Depot yet never had a job since they been there for over 5 yrs, But have money from smokes.

Oh don't forget the shopping carts by the mailbox they leave lying around. NICE

[john510]

23 minutes ago, BrothersGarage said:

They have less of a chance of being biased than those in the US. As I have stated before if they still are fishy, I would dig deeper into them.

But again dude, what are your sources that you get your information from? Facebook? Youtube? The Radio? Casting chicken bones onto a plate of lambs blood? 

I'm interested in seeing shit from your side but you still don't care to share...

Chicken bones and a plate of lambs blood.Sometimes the Ouija Board.Depends on what day of the week it is and the moon phase.Seriously though,i see what goes on in the city and state i live in.Why do you have to rely on a media source to see what goes on ? Take a good look around for yourself.

Edited September 21, 2020 by john510

[jagman]

If I ate that much chili and had pegged pants I could fly.

[banzai510(hainz)]

john510

face the facts, Biden the idiot will win.

we are going to be a socialist/Communist nation soon. Raise tax saying they going to GIVE it to you, then Guns will be the first to go to control . then PROMISE FREEE.  FREE  FREEEEEE FREEEE FRE free free

everybody want FREE stuff. You cant beat FREE. Look at the kids now adays.  They cant change the spark plug in a lawn mower, DONE!!!!!(Liberal anwser its a electric Mower!!!)

Edited September 21, 2020 by banzai510(hainz)

[BrothersGarage]

16 minutes ago, john510 said:

Chicken bones and a plate of lambs blood.Sometimes the Ouija Board.Depends on what day of the week it is and the moon phase.Seriously though,i see what goes on in the city and state i live in.Why do you have to rely on a media source to see what goes on ? Take a good look around for yourself.

Sounds like a party. 

I don't rely exclusively on the media to show me what is going on, but I do seek external media sources because I like understanding things that happen outside of my sphere of influence. Just because something doesn't fuck me over now, doesn't mean that it's not coming down the road to fuck with me next. 

Edited September 21, 2020 by BrothersGarage

[bottomwatcher]

I saw my first in real life BLM protesters today in Bucksport Maine. They were standing on the Bucksport bridge waving BLM signs and cheerfully waving and smiling at passing cars, all 12 of them. No Black people. Other than Portland that is how protests kind of go around here.

Frankendot my favorite inexpensive meat for cooking in beans to this day is smoked Turkey legs. They are a leftover meat at the grocery store all kind of shriveled and tough and cheap. If you boil them in the beans they get all soft and the meat slides off the tendons. The skin really gives the beans a nice smoky flavor. You can still eat good when eating po!

[thisismatt]

I told my wife, when I die, to cremate my body and mix my ashes into a pot of super spicy chili....so I can tear that ass up one last time.

[a.d._510_n_ok]

Burglars switch to homes in S.F. as tourists, and their cars, stay away

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/philmatier/article/Burglars-switch-to-homes-in-S-F-as-tourists-15579739.php?utm_campaign=CMS Sharing Tools (Premium)&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&fbclid=IwAR3_WRrQ2_Rl2rP0kn4leDBTsO3ycQEQPfY4vjA3Tr2ggI3Bl01d8Yiy_Ks

[datzenmike]

4 hours ago, banzai510(hainz) said:

jLook at the kids now adays.  They cant change the spark plug in a lawn mower, DONE!!!!!(Liberal anwser its a electric Mower!!!)

 

 

Datsuns have never been safer. They can steel a stick shift because they can only drive an automatic.

 

 

1 hour ago, thisismatt said:

I told my wife, when I die, to cremate my body and mix my ashes into a pot of super spicy chili....so I can tear that ass up one last time.

 

 Mmmmm chili.

[frankendat]

13 hours ago, banzai510(hainz) said:

Exactly when was the last time you saw something made in France.

they have the 70-90% tax rate

 

I don't want to join them in tax rates.  Youll kill the economy

3$ can of coke when I was in Paris     1985!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I bummed around Europe a few weeks in 2000, and a can of Coke was 3$ in some places, 4$ in others. But, everywhere the cans of Coke were much smaller than the cans of Coke in the USA, I forget the exact size, it was metric, it looked around half size.  I saved a couple cans that were printed in other languages, there in some box in the basement that I haven't opened for over a decade 🙂

[frankendat]

On 9/20/2020 at 4:50 PM, BrothersGarage said:

Uh huh, if I am so clueless why don't you educate me - with some credible sources? Mattendew76 hit me with a pretty good one earlier. Lots of good stuff. 

I don't know what people are buying with EBT? Because that's the problem with it eh? Ignoring all my points but sure we can address yours and then you can address mine, right? Yes a lot of it is spent on Pop / sugary drinks. No they shouldn't be allowed to purchase it with EBT - just like beer. That's your point for getting rid of it though? Because people use it to buy junk food? The 10-12% of it being spent on junk food is enough to get rid of it altogether? 

I'm not saying rentals don't get abused but that's not what ALL Section 8 people do.Again, unless you have something that says different?

My Ex's parents were both retired lawyers. All they did was buy houses, get them 'up to code' and let Section 8 people move into them (Side note, they bought Gary Ridgways house and before they could renovate it the cops took it over to gather evidence for the Green River cases. They got that house back with like 4ft x 4ft holes cut out of the fuckin floors and walls and only got a settlement of like 10k before they had to take them to court to get more money from the cops).

Sure, there were sacks of shit that would wreck up the joint - but I've had other another friend who is a realtor who don't rent to Section 8 have the same thing happen to them (a whole goddamn bedroom turned into a litter box for their 6 cats!!). 

Again all your and my stories are anecdotal, and I don't think it makes us either more right or 'wrong' than the other person. The point being is just because there is Section 8 being around I don't think it equates to more homes getting fucked up and screwing over renters - that depends on the fuckfaces that are renting it. 

 

I believe the difficulty in agreement, observed in this discussion of Section 8 housing tenants and proclivity for crime is the result of educational focus (at least in western countries) on critical thinking, and post modernism, as discussed by Jordan Peterson. But, what is wrong with critical thinking?” You might ask. Nothing is wrong with critical thinking to determine the acceptance of one premise, or specific evidence over another; it is useful.  However, when employed as a weapon, to generally discount or devalue competing conclusions, it focuses on the forest without consideration of the trees. The  post modernist weaponization  of critical thinking will ultimately lead to chaos, as  eventually all ideals fail under such scrutiny. 

So, what can be done? Do I suggest abandoning demands for proof, or critically evaluating evidence? Not at all. I recommend critically evaluating all information, but temper the evaluation with what is known and observed (what could be called antidotal evidence.)

To apply this to the Section 8 tenants and crime discussion,  post modernism critical thinking compels search under every stone and when a Section  8 housing recipient is discovered that that is crime free (as  I am certain such exist) the post modern critical thinker, wipes  their brow and claims, “sorted, conclusion false”. But, if you apply life experience, and a basic understanding of human behavior, the proposition that in United States  (and likely elsewhere, but I lack information) people resort to crime if they determine potential benefit outweighs potential consequence. Therefore, people living in poverty are more likely to commit burglary, larceny, and theft i.e. crime.  I believe that statement is self evident and without the need for citation. But, for the post modernists,  the preceding statement was paraphrased from  the work of Robert J. Sampson Neighborhoods and Violent Crime: A Multilevel Study of Collective Efficacy and crime statistics found in the United States Census.

The information provided will not support the conclusion, “All Section 8 housing tenants are criminals”. However, it will support the premise “Section 8 tenants are more likely to be involved in criminal activity and more likely to associate with those who commit crime.” Simple addition supports the next premise, “The greater concentration of criminals in an area, the greater propensity for crime in that area.” And conclusion follows, “The introduction or increase of Section 8 housing tenants, will result in an increase in criminal activity.”

Was this post really necessary? The concept of a poverty and crime connection, so improbable that it could not be accepted without direct evidence? And I didn’t spend much time searching. You could be a good post modernist critical thinker and find an abstract study or manipulated statistic contrary to this position and dismiss the conclusion,  but would it be in good faith or post modernism drivel?

[frankendat]

9 hours ago, jagman said:

If I ate that much chili and had pegged pants I could fly.

 

After awhile, you adjust to it and I read somewhere that rinsing the beans in a colander(out of the can) helps digestion. i don't know why, but it seemed to work. Then again, it could be when I attempted the rinse method, I had already eaten enough to build a tolerance. As a super thrifty move, I tried  hydrating  dry beans and it worked and did save money, but it was such a hassle for few dollars saved, I returned to canned beans.

[banzai510(hainz)]

13 hours ago, bottomwatcher said:

I saw my first in real life BLM protesters today in Bucksport Maine. They were standing on the Bucksport bridge waving BLM signs and cheerfully waving and smiling at passing cars, all 12 of them. No Black people

Maine?????????? your kidding me right?????  Must be a high density area for black folk.  must be Lobster fishermen

 

those are white people trained with white gilt

 

 

[BrothersGarage]

8 hours ago, frankendat said:

The information provided will not support the conclusion, “All Section 8 housing tenants are criminals”. However, it will support the premise “Section 8 tenants are more likely to be involved in criminal activity and more likely to associate with those who commit crime.” Simple addition supports the next premise, “The greater concentration of criminals in an area, the greater propensity for crime in that area.” And conclusion follows, “The introduction or increase of Section 8 housing tenants, will result in an increase in criminal activity.”

 

Was this post really necessary? The concept of a poverty and crime connection, so improbable that it could not be accepted without direct evidence? And I didn’t spend much time searching. You could be a good post modernist critical thinker and find an abstract study or manipulated statistic contrary to this position and dismiss the conclusion,  but would it be in good faith or post modernism drivel?

 

Your information provided is also supported by the census - that poverty raises the likelihood to commit burglary, larceny, or theft that was never the question. But just because there is Section 8 housing available does not make them all criminals just as everyone living below the poverty line isn't a criminal. Break the law or fuck-up the rental you're in then you can get evicted and lose your Section 8 housing status. If anything giving someone the incentive not to commit crime. 

The entire point of this drive is to beg the question - "What happens to the poor when they have access to the same social amenities that 'average' people do?"

Long term? Better schooling > better education > better prospects for work and being able to support themselves > better long term health which also has economical benefits. 

2012 study showing the link: https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/32821/412648-Benefits-of-Living-in-High-Opportunity-Neighborhoods.PDF / 

All this is to say you have to be able to 'break the cycle' somewhere. I don't like paying for societal leeches that take advantage of the system in place - so perhaps we make it easier to lose access to these systems. But getting rid of them or diminishing the purpose of them makes no sense. Then its all just wasted tax dollars because it didn't achieve what it was supposed or now it can't ever. 

[Jesse C.]

Just more reasons to Kill Your Television

 

 

[Mattndew76]

6 hours ago, BrothersGarage said:

Your information provided is also supported by the census - that poverty raises the likelihood to commit burglary, larceny, or theft that was never the question. But just because there is Section 8 housing available does not make them all criminals just as everyone living below the poverty line isn't a criminal. Break the law or fuck-up the rental you're in then you can get evicted and lose your Section 8 housing status. If anything giving someone the incentive not to commit crime. 

The entire point of this drive is to beg the question - "What happens to the poor when they have access to the same social amenities that 'average' people do?"

Long term? Better schooling > better education > better prospects for work and being able to support themselves > better long term health which also has economical benefits. 

2012 study showing the link: https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/32821/412648-Benefits-of-Living-in-High-Opportunity-Neighborhoods.PDF / 

All this is to say you have to be able to 'break the cycle' somewhere. I don't like paying for societal leeches that take advantage of the system in place - so perhaps we make it easier to lose access to these systems. But getting rid of them or diminishing the purpose of them makes no sense. Then its all just wasted tax dollars because it didn't achieve what it was supposed or now it can't ever. 

 

I have never seen anyone complain they don't have access to a park or public restrooms.  How would this further the positive economic flourishing of low income individuals?

 

I'm not sure what you mean by Social Amenities. Those are defined as public spaces where people gather or publicly shared spaces like restrooms, and parks...

 

As far as the better schooling issue. Why are you not supporting Donald Trumps education agenda then? He has been fighting congress for 4 years to implement a good school choice program that allows federal money to follow kids rather than be locked into failing systems. ( you don't have to support Trump but at least help fight for this portion of his agenda.)

 

Better work and income opportunities.. You might want to expound on this a little more. Federally the standard for hiring requirements have been emphasized toward skill base rather than college degree under the current administration. That is in contrast to the last one that made it even harder to become a new federal employee. State level employment is a state to state dynamic, and for the private sector that is up to the owner of the private company to set standards for what they require.

 

The cycle was well on its way to being broke in 2019 for a lot of people, but 2020 kinda shit on it a little. Even the the recovery from the first 6 months is doing exponentially well, accept for blue states....They seem to be lagging in recovery and only time will tell why that is happening.

 

This has a bit of relation to this topic.

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2020/10/05/blue-today-bluer-tomorrow/

 

 

Edited September 22, 2020 by Mattndew76

[a.d._510_n_ok]

$12,500 per month.......

 

Seattle pays ex-pimp $150,000 to offer ‘alternatives to policing’

 

https://nypost.com/2020/09/22/seattle-pays-ex-pimp-150000-to-offer-alternatives-to-policing/

Edited September 22, 2020 by a.d._510_n_ok

[john510]

22 minutes ago, a.d._510_n_ok said:

$12,500 per month.......

 

Seattle pays ex-pimp $150,000 to offer ‘alternatives to policing’

 

https://nypost.com/2020/09/22/seattle-pays-ex-pimp-150000-to-offer-alternatives-to-policing/

My God the people running Seattle are stupid.Who elects these people ?