Wayno we are probably similar buying used and fixing shit ourselves and other people would be in better financial shape if they did the same. but our lifestyles are horrible for the economy. Somebody has to buy new cars, boats and other toys for them to trickle down to what we want to pay. They also hire plumbers, electricians, AC technicians whatever to do what they can't or don't want to do. That's what keeps people employed and money flowing, that's what our economy is built on. Bottom line other than our taxes we are probably more scavengers of the economy and I am fine with that because the ups and downs have a lot smaller effect on me.