destruction of america

[datzenmike]

27 minutes ago, datzenmike said:

Jenny was a tramp.

 

Well she was. Died of hep 2 or 3 as punishment.

 

 

[john510]

3 hours ago, datzenmike said:

 

Declines in civilizations begin with gender blendering, open homosexuality, loss of representation by voters, degradation of the environment, flouting of laws and ridiculing the police/authorities, civil unrest that is not addressed, laxer ineffective laws passed replacing tried and true ones, loss of family values, celebrities opinions accepted as expert testimony, extreme pining for 'the good 'ol days' of the past....

Oh stop it you right wing extremist.

[paradime]

7 hours ago, john510 said:

I asked for radical.Book banning ? LOL do you know what it is they're trying to keep out of school libraries ? Playboy magazine is rated "G" compared to some of the stuff they want to keep out of schools.

 

 Again, this is a narrow bias perspective on what's happening. I did a little research and found there are over 2,500 books on the ban hit list. In fact, books even remotely considered as sexually obscene or LGBTQ related are a small percentage. By this sexual criteria, the Bible should also be banned, but it doesn't stop there. Books also on that list are Charlotte's Web, Maus, Animal Farm, Of Mice and Men, Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, To Kill a Mockingbird, The Catcher in the Rye, The Grapes of Wrath, 1984, Diary of Ann Frank, Brave New World, Darwin's On the Origin of Species, Native Son, Slaughterhouse Five, A Separate Peace, A Wrinkle In Time, and The Lord of the Flies have already been banned in many school districts. Kind of ridiculous when kids can access everything you and I can on the internet. In most of the Bible Belt, the legal sexual age of consent is 16. So how does this kind of coddling prepare these high school students for the real world? Just like prohibition, the teen pregnancy rates for holy roller states are 3X higher than our libtard Californication; where the age of consent is 18, and the spooky sexually obscene books are flaying off the shelves.

 

In Texas, the state sets the standard for what books they deem as acceptable; not the school districts, or parents but THE GOVERNMENT. Is that OK as long as it's a conservative agenda? Is it radical enough that instead of a policy requiring a parent's authorization for some books, the government should eliminate everyone's freedom to choose what's right for their kids? Whether you agree with the left perspective or not, this book banning policy is a radically slippery fucking slope that doesn't comport with the most fundamental conservative values of respecting individual rights and freedoms. Is this illogical?

 

Now it's your turn. What kind of people support legalizing crime, an unsecure border, or the legalization of hard drugs?

[john510]

Who banned Huckleberry Finn ? 

[Jesse C.]

12 hours ago, john510 said:

Who banned Huckleberry Finn ? 

 

The Woke Progressives 

 

 

[john510]

14 hours ago, paradime said:

 

 Again, this is a narrow bias perspective on what's happening. I did a little research and found there are over 2,500 books on the ban hit list. In fact, books even remotely considered as sexually obscene or LGBTQ related are a small percentage. By this sexual criteria, the Bible should also be banned, but it doesn't stop there. Books also on that list are Charlotte's Web, Maus, Animal Farm, Of Mice and Men, Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, To Kill a Mockingbird, The Catcher in the Rye, The Grapes of Wrath, 1984, Diary of Ann Frank, Brave New World, Darwin's On the Origin of Species, Native Son, Slaughterhouse Five, A Separate Peace, A Wrinkle In Time, and The Lord of the Flies have already been banned in many school districts. Kind of ridiculous when kids can access everything you and I can on the internet. In most of the Bible Belt, the legal sexual age of consent is 16. So how does this kind of coddling prepare these high school students for the real world? Just like prohibition, the teen pregnancy rates for holy roller states are 3X higher than our libtard Californication; where the age of consent is 18, and the spooky sexually obscene books are flaying off the shelves.

 

In Texas, the state sets the standard for what books they deem as acceptable; not the school districts, or parents but THE GOVERNMENT. Is that OK as long as it's a conservative agenda? Is it radical enough that instead of a policy requiring a parent's authorization for some books, the government should eliminate everyone's freedom to choose what's right for their kids? Whether you agree with the left perspective or not, this book banning policy is a radically slippery fucking slope that doesn't comport with the most fundamental conservative values of respecting individual rights and freedoms. Is this illogical?

 

Now it's your turn. What kind of people support legalizing crime, an unsecure border, or the legalization of hard drugs?

You're saying I have a narrow and biased opinion and then point out all the classics we read.They're being banned by the left.And then that small percentage of banned stuff by the right is full of graphic sexual content that children have no business reading.Hasn't the Bible been banned from public schools for quite some time now ? My opinion is children don't need to see stuff like "Gender Queer" or the other stuff floating around out there.How about Tranny book reading shows after school ? WTF is that ? At home do what you want but at school ? No.This push isn't from parents,it's school boards promoting it while parents protest it.Would you want your ten year old reading that stuff ? Yes or no.I wouldn't and it has nothing to do with political beliefs.That's protecting my kid not a political bias.

[Jesse C.]

16 hours ago, paradime said:

 

 Again, this is a narrow bias perspective on what's happening. I did a little research and found there are over 2,500 books on the ban hit list. In fact, books even remotely considered as sexually obscene or LGBTQ related are a small percentage. By this sexual criteria, the Bible should also be banned, but it doesn't stop there. Books also on that list are Charlotte's Web, Maus, Animal Farm, Of Mice and Men, Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, To Kill a Mockingbird, The Catcher in the Rye, The Grapes of Wrath, 1984, Diary of Ann Frank, Brave New World, Darwin's On the Origin of Species, Native Son, Slaughterhouse Five, A Separate Peace, A Wrinkle In Time, and The Lord of the Flies have already been banned in many school districts. Kind of ridiculous when kids can access everything you and I can on the internet. In most of the Bible Belt, the legal sexual age of consent is 16. So how does this kind of coddling prepare these high school students for the real world? Just like prohibition, the teen pregnancy rates for holy roller states are 3X higher than our libtard Californication; where the age of consent is 18, and the spooky sexually obscene books are flaying off the shelves.

 

In Texas, the state sets the standard for what books they deem as acceptable; not the school districts, or parents but THE GOVERNMENT. Is that OK as long as it's a conservative agenda? Is it radical enough that instead of a policy requiring a parent's authorization for some books, the government should eliminate everyone's freedom to choose what's right for their kids? Whether you agree with the left perspective or not, this book banning policy is a radically slippery fucking slope that doesn't comport with the most fundamental conservative values of respecting individual rights and freedoms. Is this illogical?

 

Now it's your turn. What kind of people support legalizing crime, an unsecure border, or the legalization of hard drugs?

 

So, the classic literature is being censored and banned by the Left, while the Right is going after the sexually explicit stuff. This list just lumps all the books together without what appears to be a glossary of who is banning or censoring what, right? 

 

So, a kid can't buy porn until they are 18, but they can read about homosexual sex acts, some with illustrations, in Elementary school? And  yes, I am being general with the Homo statement, some of it is also straight and bondage related. We used to giggle when we looked at human anatomy in school medical books, but now we get the whole enchilada with the sauce on the side? For kids? Fuck no! Child curiosity is one thing, having that shit fed to kids is another. 

 

 

[jbirds510]

On 7/17/2023 at 12:13 PM, datzenmike said:

 

Declines in civilizations begin with gender blendering, open homosexuality, loss of representation by voters, degradation of the environment, flouting of laws and ridiculing the police/authorities, civil unrest that is not addressed, laxer ineffective laws passed replacing tried and true ones, loss of family values, celebrities opinions accepted as expert testimony, extreme pining for 'the good 'ol days' of the past....

pudding shortages.

Edited July 26, 2023 by jbirds510
Cuz this thread is stupid

[paradime]

Stay tuned Jesse, My reply to John might help clear things up.

Edited July 18, 2023 by paradime

[bananahamuck]

[paradime]

4 hours ago, john510 said:

You're saying I have a narrow and biased opinion and then point out all the classics we read.They're being banned by the left.And then that small percentage of banned stuff by the right is full of graphic sexual content that children have no business reading.Hasn't the Bible been banned from public schools for quite some time now ? My opinion is children don't need to see stuff like "Gender Queer" or the other stuff floating around out there.How about Tranny book reading shows after school ? WTF is that ? At home do what you want but at school ? No.This push isn't from parents,it's school boards promoting it while parents protest it.Would you want your ten year old reading that stuff ? Yes or no.I wouldn't and it has nothing to do with political beliefs.That's protecting my kid not a political bias.

 

We're playing myopic rhetorical bumper cars, right? So using poetic hyperbole is the rules of that game. Yes, your argument was indeed a bias perspective, as was mine. The 2,500 book ban hit list represents both sides efforts over the past 100 years. I'm making an argument against book banning as a political agenda, and I actually do believe it's a dangerous overreach no matter who is trying to protect and coddle kids. I'm presenting this from macro perspective, hence the "radically slippery fucking slope". Should both sides remove all books that might make students feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any form of psychological distress? This is already a generation of snowflakes, so why should we support more of that? 

 

My kids have been around homosexual couples and other nonbinary friend their entire life. They're totally comfortable with it, and it hasn't damaged their psychological development, or their sense of independent self. As parents, my wife and I are involved in our kids education, and their literary/film/music/internet interests. I'm very comfortable in their own moral compass, and their ability to decide what's "good" for themselves, because we talk about this stuff all the time. When ever they pop off with one sided woke judgements, I always challenge them to consider, understand, and value the counter position. Without the religious indoctrination I was subjected to, they've been raised with the same core conservative ideals I grew up with. There are clear rules and boundaries in our home, and they've been held responsible for their own decisions, so they can learn from their mistake. I don't trust any government or political agenda to decide what's "good" for them. It's too damn easy to focus on the blame the other side crap, but it's not so easy do defend what Texas is doing because we both know it contradicts with constitutional conservative values. Maybe that's why you avoided responding to it, along with an explaination for what kind of people support legalizing crime, an unsecure border, or the legalization of hard drugs. 

 

[Jesse C.]

1 hour ago, paradime said:

 

We're playing myopic rhetorical bumper cars, right? So using poetic hyperbole is the rules of that game. Yes, your argument was indeed a bias perspective, as was mine. The 2,500 book ban hit list represents both sides efforts over the past 100 years. I'm making an argument against book banning as a political agenda, and I actually do believe it's a dangerous overreach no matter who is trying to protect and coddle kids. I'm presenting this from macro perspective, hence the "radically slippery fucking slope". Should both sides remove all books that might make students feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any form of psychological distress? This is already a generation of snowflakes, so why should we support more of that? 

 

My kids have been around homosexual couples and other nonbinary friend their entire life. They're totally comfortable with it, and it hasn't damaged their psychological development, or their sense of independent self. As parents, my wife and I are involved in our kids education, and their literary/film/music/internet interests. I'm very comfortable in their own moral compass, and their ability to decide what's "good" for themselves, because we talk about this stuff all the time. When ever they pop off with one sided woke judgements, I always challenge them to consider, understand, and value the counter position. Without the religious indoctrination I was subjected to, they've been raised with the same core conservative ideals I grew up with. There are clear rules and boundaries in our home, and they've been held responsible for their own decisions, so they can learn from their mistake. I don't trust any government or political agenda to decide what's "good" for them. It's too damn easy to focus on the blame the other side crap, but it's not so easy do defend what Texas is doing because we both know it contradicts with constitutional conservative values. Maybe that's why you avoided responding to it, along with an explaination for what kind of people support legalizing crime, an unsecure border, or the legalization of hard drugs. 

 

 

It's not about a Gay or Non Gay agenda to me, it is about Grooming kids by normalizing what is not really the norm. Sure, they might grow up to be gay, into Bondage or just flat out deviants, but, that comes with life experience and learning as you go. Trying to push this on kids is not about politics, but it has been made into that, but about Grooming children to be ok with adult sexual behavior. Who the hell has respect for someone that wants to be beaten, used or berated because an adult told them it was cool and ok? Instead of teaching someone about Decency, Respect and Self Worth, they are being led by the nose into someone else's ideas of how children should be groomed to be normal with their twisted view of the world. 

 

So what if a book it about sex, there is tons of porn out there, but  we, as grown adults, know it is not for kids! Sure, we all snuck into the porn as kids, but it was not pushed onto us by adults! And if it was, I hope the therapy is going well. 

 

Banning books because it contains something that you may now find offensive, like Huckleberry Finn using the word Nigger, is not cause for a banning of the word, or the book. It is like watching a movie today from our past and they post all those 'Trigger" warnings so todays fragile minds don't melt down. I like to watch Millenials and Gen Z types do movie reactions on youtube, and just watching them squirm makes me laugh! What fragile minds have we created? So weak that a simple word will tear you down. 

 

So, should we keep tearing down our kids? I am not a father, that I know of, but I have been around kits my whole life, Mexican Family, and thus am very protective about kids, and no, I do not want them exposed to the current crop of Gender Games bullshit they are trying to pull in school. Most of these kids have done college and totally know what things are about, and they learned in the process of growing up. Some of them are left leaning and some are right leaning. But they at least know right from wrong and have made good decisions in their lives. All kids should get that chance and not be groomed by Adults with ulterior motives. 

 

Ok, off this Soap Box I go. 

 

 

[yenpit]

On 7/17/2023 at 12:31 PM, iceman510 said:

 

Hey, hey.  This is a Datsun forum.  No Alfa love allowed here.

 

Did you ever see the orange Horst Q GTV racing in Michigan?  A buddy in Holland owned it for a few years, I saw it at Gingerman..............was cool! 😎

[thisismatt]

Here today, mown tomorrow...

 

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/modesto-woman-killed-lawnmower-park-18203116.php

 

Apparently she was invisible, despite what the "We Are Not Invisible" advocacy group says 🤷‍♂️

[john510]

4 hours ago, paradime said:

 

We're playing myopic rhetorical bumper cars, right? So using poetic hyperbole is the rules of that game. Yes, your argument was indeed a bias perspective, as was mine. The 2,500 book ban hit list represents both sides efforts over the past 100 years. I'm making an argument against book banning as a political agenda, and I actually do believe it's a dangerous overreach no matter who is trying to protect and coddle kids. I'm presenting this from macro perspective, hence the "radically slippery fucking slope". Should both sides remove all books that might make students feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any form of psychological distress? This is already a generation of snowflakes, so why should we support more of that? 

 

My kids have been around homosexual couples and other nonbinary friend their entire life. They're totally comfortable with it, and it hasn't damaged their psychological development, or their sense of independent self. As parents, my wife and I are involved in our kids education, and their literary/film/music/internet interests. I'm very comfortable in their own moral compass, and their ability to decide what's "good" for themselves, because we talk about this stuff all the time. When ever they pop off with one sided woke judgements, I always challenge them to consider, understand, and value the counter position. Without the religious indoctrination I was subjected to, they've been raised with the same core conservative ideals I grew up with. There are clear rules and boundaries in our home, and they've been held responsible for their own decisions, so they can learn from their mistake. I don't trust any government or political agenda to decide what's "good" for them. It's too damn easy to focus on the blame the other side crap, but it's not so easy do defend what Texas is doing because we both know it contradicts with constitutional conservative values. Maybe that's why you avoided responding to it, along with an explaination for what kind of people support legalizing crime, an unsecure border, or the legalization of hard drugs. 

 

I avoided what ? Regarding Texas do you really think they're banning anything other than the LGBTQ stuff ? I doubt it.Ten years ago the left wouldn't approve of it.The school boards are part of Government.It appears some school boards need to be kept out of what to read or what not to read.Speaking of avoiding questions,I asked one that just needed a simple yes or no.I got two paragraphs of the same old argument which frankly I can't even figure out what you're trying to say.Do you find it acceptable for elementary aged children to be reading the stuff that many (adults) might find offensive and are fighting to keep out of schools ? What side should anybody blame for pushing that stuff ? If the right were pushing it I'd blame them.And you know damn well what side supports or causes our rise in crime,drug use and an open border.You live in the state that champions that cause.Should I blame that on the right ? 

[angliagt]

      Why can't they just let Kids be Kids,& let them enjoy their childhood?

 

         Our last Governor here in VA said that Parents should have no say in

how the schools are run.Now we have a Republican Governor who's trying

to do some commonsense things.  

[datzenmike]

You guys.....

 

 

 

 

Actually never mind I don't fuckin' care. Piss a river so I can go kayaking.

[paradime]

19 minutes ago, john510 said:

I avoided what ? Regarding Texas do you really think they're banning anything other than the LGBTQ stuff ? I doubt it.Ten years ago the left wouldn't approve of it.The school boards are part of Government.It appears some school boards need to be kept out of what to read or what not to read.Speaking of avoiding questions,I asked one that just needed a simple yes or no.I got two paragraphs of the same old argument which frankly I can't even figure out what you're trying to say.Do you find it acceptable for elementary aged children to be reading the stuff that many (adults) might find offensive and are fighting to keep out of schools ? What side should anybody blame for pushing that stuff ? If the right were pushing it I'd blame them.And you know damn well what side supports or causes our rise in crime,drug use and an open border. You live in the state that champions that cause.Should I blame that on the right ? 

 So you're ok with Gaven Newsom deciding what our kids should read? Slippery fuck'n slope, got it or do you need more help figuring it out? I'm not viewing this through a narrow political soda straw. Of course I knew damn well what you were saying with who supports "legalizing crime, an unsecure border, or the legalization of hard drugs" but if you're going to call me out for using bias poetic hyperbole, clearly it's game on. John, you should know by now, if you want a simple yes or no answer to a complex issue, you're asking the wrong guy.

[a.d._510_n_ok]

Dang. I hate this. 

[datzenmike]

What? Anheuser Bush won't buy it up?

[paradime]

Old news, Japan's Sapporo bought it up 6 years ago. Same brewing though. IMO there are way better craft breweries all over the country.

 

[iceman510]

17 hours ago, yenpit said:

 

Did you ever see the orange Horst Q GTV racing in Michigan?  A buddy in Holland owned it for a few years, I saw it at Gingerman..............was cool! 😎

 

In fact I did.  It must have been at Grattan, but I know he also ran it at Waterford Hills.

 

Is that the one sold recently on BaT?

[yenpit]

29 minutes ago, iceman510 said:

 

In fact I did.  It must have been at Grattan, but I know he also ran it at Waterford Hills.

 

Is that the one sold recently on BaT?

 

I believe it recently sold again.  Bill must have had it at least 10 years ago, cuz I haven't been back to Gingerman since I left 10+ years ago.............

 

Bill also has/had a burgandy 67 Cougar & a 510, both vintage race cars.............don't know if he still has either..........??

[Logical1]

To the topic of book banning, I don't think any book should be banned, even one that details how to build a nuclear weapon. I just hope that kids are still reading! I read the anarchist cookbook, the big book of mischief, and just about every book on the 'banned' list. So far I still like women (maybe overly so) and have never committed a violent crime. 

 

Ignorance is an enemy, even to its owner. Knowledge is a friend, even to its hater. Ignorance hates knowledge because it is too pure. Knowledge fears ignorance because it is too sure.

[datzenmike]

Banning is pretty much the same as book burning. Another thing to add to my list of symptoms of a civilization in decline.