destruction of america

[datzenmike]

 

 

[Mattndew76]

I refuse to have my ears checked!!

[a.d._510_n_ok]

[angliagt]

          I love it! - The way it should be!

[frankendat]

18 hours ago, john510 said:

Most working men support Trump.I don't know why you think otherwise.

 

It is to the point where I counter arguments, before they are produced, which degrades post intelligibility.  The common attack is Trump was born with a silver spoon and knows nothing of the working man. It is undeniable that Trump has lived a fairly pimp life, but I agree that Trump has done more positive then negative, for the "working man" and that is double when it concerns fundamental liberties of America. As I mentioned in the last long post, the arguments against Trump,mostly focus on him, as a person, so I capitulate to all that bullshit. Because, it is meaningless, it is static, it is noise, to distract from the parade of socialist/fascist policies, promised by Biden. So, don't argue the petty bullshit about  Trump, admit he is an asshole, or whatever  newest barb, but vote for him and tell those you know to vote for him, like liberty depends on it---because it does.

[Jesse C.]

 

[datzenmike]

17 hours ago, Mattndew76 said:

I refuse to have my ears checked!!

 

 

Yeah, what he said...

 

 

[420n620]

President Trump dominated last night’s slugfest with Joe Biden. The President kept Joe Biden on defense and made Biden look particularly weak when he repeatedly challenged the former Vice-President to name even one police or law enforcement group that was supporting him and Biden could only mumble and shake his head.

Biden looked even weaker when he refused to answer whether he would support packing the Supreme Court or explain why he hasn’t asked the Democrat Mayor of Portland and the Governor of Oregon to put down the violent demonstrations and rioting.

I’m sure the Democrats and their media allies will accuse the President of being too forceful and aggressive and ignore that it was Biden who lost his composure telling the President to “shut up” and calling him a “clown.”

It was a tough, hard hitting debate but these are tough times and America needs a tough, strong, no nonsense leader. People say they want straight talk from their leaders and politicians. That’s what they got last night from President Trump!!

[banzai510(hainz)]

Trump didn't help himself  besides law and order and Biden Son,

Biden had low expectation but came out better than I thought.  Don't know where all this free stuff is coming from but he did alright.  Green new eal is your going to get rid of all your Datsun stuff soon enough for electric everything

 

 

China wants Biden to Win!!!!!! this is a NO brainer

Edited September 30, 2020 by banzai510(hainz)

[bottomwatcher]

1 hour ago, 420n620 said:

President Trump dominated last night’s slugfest with Joe Biden. The President kept Joe Biden on defense and made Biden look particularly weak when he repeatedly challenged the former Vice-President to name even one police or law enforcement group that was supporting him and Biden could only mumble and shake his head.

Biden looked even weaker when he refused to answer whether he would support packing the Supreme Court or explain why he hasn’t asked the Democrat Mayor of Portland and the Governor of Oregon to put down the violent demonstrations and rioting.

I’m sure the Democrats and their media allies will accuse the President of being too forceful and aggressive and ignore that it was Biden who lost his composure telling the President to “shut up” and calling him a “clown.”

It was a tough, hard hitting debate but these are tough times and America needs a tough, strong, no nonsense leader. People say they want straight talk from their leaders and politicians. That’s what they got last night from President Trump!!

I am not sure if we saw the same debate. All I saw was a blathering, bullying Bafoon acting like a Child. He spewed misinformation( check factchecks) didn't follow protocol or respect Chris Wallace. This is not the behavior of a leader just an unhinged asshole and that's what He came across as. I am not sure how many times we laughed at him but I am sure there was a lot of laughter around the world at his antics. He has ruined his chances of really ever being taken seriously again. Biden is an empty paper bag that really should have no relevance any more and be put out to pasture but Trump made him look good! I doubt there are many undecideds left after last night and if he pulls off another performance like that and Biden still had a pulse on November 3rd you will be looking at a Democrat President. Trump really has no one to blame but himself,  but watch him sling the blame. It's NEVER his fault.

Edited September 30, 2020 by bottomwatcher
Misspelling

[Jesse C.]

1 hour ago, bottomwatcher said:

I am not sure if we saw the same debate. All I saw was a blathering, bullying Bafoon acting like a Child. He spewed misinformation( check factchecks) didn't follow protocol or respect Chris Wallace. This is not the behavior of a leader just an unhinged asshole and that's what He came across as. I am not sure how many times we laughed at him but I am sure there was a lot of laughter around the world at his antics. He has ruined his chances of really ever being taken seriously again. Biden is an empty paper bag that really should have no relevance any more and be put out to pasture but Trump made him look good! I doubt there are many undecideds left after last night and if he pulls off another performance like that and Biden still had a pulse on November 3rd you will be looking at a Democrat President. Trump really has no one to blame but himself,  but watch him sling the blame. It's NEVER his fault.

 

Be glad Trump's bad performance saved Joe from hanging himself a few times. Trump you should have let that loopy bastard ramble on and he would have stepped into some serious shit all by himself! 

 

Wallace is a Closet Lefty and last night proved it. He didn't press Biden too hard, gave him pass and didn't interrupt him as badly as he did Trump. 

 

So yeah, your boy Creepy Joe got away with it pretty good. Because the bastard was useless. 

[bottomwatcher]

Yeah Joe's not my boy won't vote for him either. He's bad too but Trump insists on alienating himself to functioning normal people. He is doing a fantastic, wonderful and amazing job at it. His words. I just wish we had a good choice!

[Mattndew76]

So tell me how Joe did good?

 

Alienated the people he is trying to keep happy. : "No I don't support the Green New Deal!! I support my plan!" 

 

Alienated the people who want to have their cities back from ANTIFA/BLM : "ANTIFA isnt an organization its an IDEA!!" Wouldn't even acknowledge the issue.  

 

 

Last night was exactly what was expected. 

 

Joe didn't do shit to win a single vote from the center left to the right. This is a base vote race.

 

The Transcript of the debate looks far better for Trump than Biden. Biden looks like a buffoon spouting internet headlines with no factual base and fairy tail policies catering to what people want for free. 

 

BottomWatcher what did Trump say that was unactual?

 

Tulsi should have been on stage with them both.

Edited September 30, 2020 by Mattndew76

[banzai510(hainz)]

Joe           Communist

Donald    Capitalist

[Mattndew76]

 

[bottomwatcher]

59 minutes ago, Mattndew76 said:

So tell me how Joe did good?

 

Alienated the people he is trying to keep happy. : "No I don't support the Green New Deal!! I support my plan!" 

 

Alienated the people who want to have their cities back from ANTIFA/BLM : "ANTIFA isnt an organization its an IDEA!!" Wouldn't even acknowledge the issue.  

 

 

Last night was exactly what was expected. 

 

Joe didn't do shit to win a single vote from the center left to the right. 

 

BottomWatcher what did Trump say

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-college-football-ap-fact-check-joe-biden-virus-outbreak-65e9180ca829616cff33dd6c1398170b

Here's one. Pick whatever news source you want a lot have fact checkers. I am not arguing for Biden and I have no intention of trying to change Trump lovers minds. People should be accountable for their actions. If you chronically lie, misrepresent facts to fit your agenda you are just spewing hot worthless air. The problem is how do you lead when everyone knows you are full of shit! Trump continues to prove he is worthless and his actions are turning normal peoples stomachs. Unless things change it looks like he is a sinking ship and taking the party down with him. If we end up with  dem president, house and Senate we are Fucked and this will be solely this bafoons fault. 

[Mattndew76]

I wanted your opinion.

 

I read that article. I noticed they don't give him credit for being involved in any of their "Facts" or flat out call things false because it wasn't an exact word. (See the game?)

 

"Trump ate a vanilla Ice-cream?"

 

False.

 

Trump did not eat an ice-cream with sprinkles under an umbrella.

 

An actual example.

 

Trump made the claim that Biden did not want Trump to lock the country down, and Biden would have caused a much larger issue with the virus.

 

AP claims this was False.

 

The premise of what Trump was sayin was very much true. The next day after Trump implemented the travel restrictions Biden came out on twatter taking the position that Trump was making a bad decision. AP is trying to argue trumps OPINION as fact. (See the game?) So for Trump to make the assertion that Biden would leave it open is neither factual or non-factual its a matter of opinion. Biden does however place himself at odds with Trumps travel restrictions. 

 

Feb 1st 2020 Biden tweeted: “We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering. He is the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health emergency.”

 

AP's assertion is in fact a false fact. 

 

AP does a decent job about Trumps claim about the Multnomah Sherriff . The Sherriff DID NOT endorse Trump or support the president. The Sherriff has only made comments about how he will not send his deputies into the political mess of Portland's ANTIFA/BLM issue. 

 

AP makes the claim that Trump hasn't done anything that will bring Prescription Drug prices down. They say that nothing has come through the congress.  Trump didn't make the claim that he signed a new law. He did however pass an executive order within his legal purview to bring down the prices through lifting national restriction on price fixing within the USA.  AP did the "Eat ice-cream with sprinkles" method on this one. Trump made the claim that "Drug prices will be coming down." Not that they 'had' come down, but it didn't stop the AP from fact checking things that were not asserted. 

 

 

Both of these turds made bold assertion that need to be looked into. I am just tired of all the "Fact" checking not really being actual Facts. Just twisted English literate nuance that most people don't have the time to look at with a critical eye. 

 

AP would have more credibility with people if they had just come out and made the claim of Half Truths. Because like everyone if we are having a heated discussion or on our heals we may not get details exactly as they should be due to pressure, or venue.  

 

 

 

Edited September 30, 2020 by Mattndew76

[frankendat]

I couldn't stomach the entire debate, after watching highlight reels, from both left and right sources claiming victory, my takeaway was neither party prepared. The money, the man hours, the legions, supporting these men and neither was coached to just "shut the fuck up"? Trump would get on one of his ramblings and I would think "Oh no, how much of this will be  factually creative", but before Trump cut his own throat, Biden or Wallace, would interrupt. Trump should have answered every question hammering the same points, Biden wants free healthcare for the world, funded by American taxpayers, Biden wants open borders,(unguarded borders are open borders), Biden wants to use federal troops,(military trained, military equipped federal agencies) to disarm Americans.

Similarly, it was apparent where Biden left his prerecorded answers, and started to improvise. Biden would start to fumble and mumble, losing focus on the topic and I would think "Here we go, hard drive failure in front of national audience"', then Trump interrupts and Wallace gets on Trump for interrupting, Biden has a chance to reboot, and continues at his regular 75%. If Trump let him continue, or even supported the tangents of Biden like, "Hey Joe, that last thing you mentioned (that was completely irrelevant to the debate or the question), would you expound?" 

 

All and all, I gave it to Trump, but I am bias.It could have gone very good or very bad, depending on your preference, if either were allowed to keep talking. At this point, I cannot imagine and have little respect for anyone "undecided". The debate was political masturbation.

[Jesse C.]

58 minutes ago, bottomwatcher said:

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-college-football-ap-fact-check-joe-biden-virus-outbreak-65e9180ca829616cff33dd6c1398170b

Here's one. Pick whatever news source you want a lot have fact checkers. I am not arguing for Biden and I have no intention of trying to change Trump lovers minds. People should be accountable for their actions. If you chronically lie, misrepresent facts to fit your agenda you are just spewing hot worthless air. The problem is how do you lead when everyone knows you are full of shit! Trump continues to prove he is worthless and his actions are turning normal peoples stomachs. Unless things change it looks like he is a sinking ship and taking the party down with him. If we end up with  dem president, house and Senate we are Fucked and this will be solely this bafoons fault. 

 

Again, who gives a shit what he says, it is what he does and has done. Like he said, he has done more in 47 months than Biden has done in 47 years! 

 

Your boy is a wannabe Trump, but unlike Trump, who got rich of the real estate game, Biden and his kids got rich of us! 

 

Like a guy on the street said, Trump talks a lot of shit, but, he gets things done! 

[Mattndew76]

2 minutes ago, frankendat said:

I couldn't stomach the entire debate, after watching highlight reels, from both left and right sources claiming victory, my takeaway was neither party prepared. The money, the man hours, the legions, supporting these men and neither was coached to just "shut the fuck up"? Trump would get on one of his ramblings and I would think "Oh no, how much of this will be  factually creative", but before Trump cut his own throat, Biden or Wallace, would interrupt. Trump should have answered every question hammering the same points, Biden wants free healthcare for the world, funded by American taxpayers, Biden wants open borders,(unguarded borders are open borders), Biden wants to use federal troops,(military trained, military equipped federal agencies) to disarm Americans.

Similarly, it was apparent where Biden left his prerecorded answers, and started to improvise. Biden would start to fumble and mumble, losing focus on the topic and I would think "Here we go, hard drive failure in front of national audience"', then Trump interrupts and Wallace gets on Trump for interrupting, Biden has a chance to reboot, and continues at his regular 75%. If Trump let him continue, or even supported the tangents of Biden like, "Hey Joe, that last thing you mentioned (that was completely irrelevant to the debate or the question), would you expound?" 

 

All and all, I gave it to Trump, but I am bias.It could have gone very good or very bad, depending on your preference, if either were allowed to keep talking. At this point, I cannot imagine and have little respect for anyone "undecided". The debate was political masturbation.

 

This is my point as well.

 

This is a BASE election. Undecided don't fucking matter one bit at this point.

[frankendat]

20 minutes ago, Mattndew76 said:

I wanted your opinion.

 

I read that article. I noticed they don't give him credit for being involved in any of their "Facts" or flat out call things false because it wasn't an exact word. (See the game?)

 

"Trump ate a vanilla Ice-cream?"

 

False.

 

Trump did not eat an ice-cream with sprinkles under an umbrella.

 

An actual example.

 

Trump made the claim that Biden did not want Trump to lock the country down, and Biden would have caused a much larger issue with the virus.

 

AP claims this was False.

 

The premise of what Trump was sayin was very much true. The next day after Trump implemented the travel restrictions Biden came out on twatter taking the position that Trump was making a bad decision. AP is trying to argue trumps OPINION as fact. (See the game?) So for Trump to make the assertion that Biden would leave it open is neither factual or non-factual its a matter of opinion. Biden does however place himself at odds with Trumps travel restrictions. 

 

Feb 1st 2020 Biden tweeted: “We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering. He is the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health emergency.”

 

AP's assertion is in fact a false fact. 

 

AP does a decent job about Trumps claim about the Multnomah Sherriff . The Sherriff DID NOT endorse Trump or support the president. The Sherriff has only made comments about how he will not send his deputies into the political mess of Portland's ANTIFA/BLM issue. 

 

AP makes the claim that Trump hasn't done anything that will bring Prescription Drug prices down. They say that nothing has come through the congress.  Trump didn't make the claim that he signed a new law. He did however pass an executive order within his legal purview to bring down the prices through lifting national restriction on price fixing within the USA.  AP did the "Eat ice-cream with sprinkles" method on this one. Trump made the claim that "Drug prices will be coming down." Not that they 'had' come down, but it didn't stop the AP from fact checking things that were not asserted. 

 

 

Both of these turds made bold assertion that need to be looked into. I am just tired of all the "Fact" checking not really being actual Facts. Just twisted English literate nuance that most people don't have the time to look at with a critical eye. 

 

AP would have more credibility with people if they had just come out and made the claim of Half Truths. Because like everyone if we are having a heated discussion or on our heals we may not get details exactly as they should be due to pressure, or venue.  

 

 

 

 

Back at ya, if you are ever traveling east, we should go for drink, there are so few of us, who are right. 🙂

Edited September 30, 2020 by frankendat
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[Mattndew76]

3 minutes ago, frankendat said:

 

Back at ya, if you are ever traveling east, we should go for drink, there are so few of us, who are right. 🙂

 

Idaho is one of my favorite places to visit. Wife and I are planning a UTAH run and dragging our feet in Idaho.

Edited September 30, 2020 by Mattndew76

[datzenmike]

 

 

 

Looks like mostly below 60% turnout for last 100 years. A real silent minority.

 

 

 

 So the next president is judged on his ability to be the rudest, nonfactual, loudest name caller? and the one providing the best entertainment? 

[bottomwatcher]

Matt Biden is not my Boy. My problem with Trump is the dishonesty. I am not religious but do keep a personal standard code where honesty is #1. It's  a quirk I have, anyone who lies to me gets ejected from my life friends, lots of ex girlfriends gone. What I do have are good honest friends and an honest wife. These are the people I look up to and associate with. Most are Republicans We might be a minority but we are in agreement that Trumps behavior is too destructive and we are unable to vote for him. There are people out there that do care what people say.

Side note we spent a few days in Boise last October and a few days in Hailey. Got a real close up to a moose, love wild animals and that encounter was awsome.

[datzenmike]

Biden says a lot of stuff that isn't true also.... https://jacobinmag.com/2020/03/joe-biden-mainstream-media-lies-trust-reporting/