Cuz Merica

[a.d._510_n_ok]

if we ever put Al on a stamp (probably a food stamp) I'm votin' for fat Al!

 

[datzenmike]

Get rid of unions and then what? Trust that corporations will not FUCK their employees? I would agree that unions have created an imbalance in the workforce, but an absolute absence of balance between the individual worker and the power of the employer would be a shit show of galactic proportions.

 

An imbalance is what led to unions. There were no checks and balances on big businesses before, and there sure as hell weren't any on unions after. Ever talk to a union organizer???? They are hard core fanatics that would have been evangelists if they had been brought up differently.  

[KoHeartsGPA]

Unions are a fraud now, just like the federal government.

[paradime]

An imbalance is what led to unions. There were no checks and balances on big businesses before, and there sure as hell weren't any on unions after. Ever talk to a union organizer???? They are hard core fanatics that would have been evangelists if they had been brought up differently.  

I totally agree that unions have little to offer in the way of integrity, and have done harm to our competitiveness on the global market, but are you saying there are checks and balances on big businesses today? Or that we can trust our government to keep a "fair" balance between business and labor? Hadn't you noticed that our government sold the American worker out to business a long time ago? Do I think union organizers are more corrupt that business leaders, and politicians? Not even close. Again, in the absence of unions, what do you think would happen? 

[tr8er]

I actually really hate unions. But Paradime makes a strong point. Still though, now we're going to need business unions to protect business from union thugs. I'm non Union, making good enough money. I bid jobs and it's absurd when I need to pay Bacon Davis wages to get a job. I mean, the world shouldn't function with workers making that kinda money. It's unrealistic at this point. (Based on electricians). And I figure a ton of those wages go to the union. Which just feels like a fucking tax. Unions need to be checked imo.

[john510]

I totally agree that unions have little to offer in the way of integrity, and have done harm to our competitiveness on the global market, but are you saying there are checks and balances on big businesses today? Or that we can trust our government to keep a "fair" balance between business and labor? Hadn't you noticed that our government sold the American worker out to business a long time ago? Do I think union organizers are more corrupt that business leaders, and politicians? Not even close. Again, in the absence of unions, what do you think would happen? 

Nothing would happen in the absence of unions ! well maybe some representatives would have to find a real job.Maybe some former members would actually have to pull their weight in the workplace.The sky will not fall.

[datzenmike]

I totally agree that unions have little to offer in the way of integrity, and have done harm to our competitiveness on the global market, but are you saying there are checks and balances on big businesses today? Or that we can trust our government to keep a "fair" balance between business and labor? Hadn't you noticed that our government sold the American worker out to business a long time ago? Do I think union organizers are more corrupt that business leaders, and politicians? Not even close. Again, in the absence of unions, what do you think would happen? 

 

Not saying there are checks and balances on big business today. I meant there weren't any before unions and this continued after with unions. I suppose the only regulation is a strike. If the strike costs the business OR the union more than settling then they settle. It's like playing poker or chicken.

 

Basically, business is to make profit, as much (and more) as the market will allow. 

Workers deserve a fair pay for their work.

Business is not in the business to give away money so they will never give the worker what the worker thinks is fair.

Workers on the other hand see their employer making hundreds of millions of dollars in profit and want some more of it.

 

 

Just throwing this out there...

A business that is 'owned' by employees has an advantage. They are paid dividends or in stocks as well as their pay, better health insurance and mandatory retirement investing. Excessive profits do not go to the few 'owners' but to all. The employee owners have more say in what direction the company goes. An employee has great incentive to remain with the company and produce more because it benefits him more if the company is successful. When an employee leaves the company his shares are sold back to the company so it remains free of outside influence.

[Jesse C.]

My wife is part of the railroad Union and she is no lazy job leech.

 

I have no doubt your Wife is hard worker. I am in a Union and I work my ass off everyday. I have a co-worker who is a Union Dependent. He uses it like a crutch every time something does not go his way. He accused our boss once of sexual harassment! Our boss is a man!! Now its the bad knees, the ones he claims he fucked up working for Buck Knives, but now, they got fucked up at work. So now he takes a few months off now and then for treatment and therapy. And guess who has to do his work? 

 

Until recently he boasted on how he was untouchable, that they could not fire him. Until a supervisor got shit canned, now he is Johnny on the spot! 

 

Even if I where to choose not to be in the Union, they still take dues from me. I am tired of them supporting liberal agendas and telling me to vote for Liberal Democrats and Socialists. 

 

My Dad was a Teamster and he was a loyal teamster. There was never any Coors beer in our house because they where not Union and thus the Teamsters said no to Coors. When my dad fell ill and his performance started suffering at work, he was laid off. The fucking cocksucker Teamsters did nothing for him. Years of loyalty for nothing. 

 

So yes, FUCK THE UNIONS! And the Parasites that are taking up good jobs! 

[a.d._510_n_ok]

my last employer had a split personality where unions were concerned. the drivers in OKC (where we made our big bucks) were Teamsters but the drivers in the rural area where not. the city drivers drove. period. otherwise they were sitting in their trucks making about $3 per hour more than the non-union folks. Us non-union drivers drove, assembled block and slab forms , poured them, ran bucket loaders, batched, did lawn care, painted, swept under the plant, etc but were also given generous profit-sharing that was denied to union drivers.

 

when the economy crashed in '08 the Teamsters dropped our city boys and they fell under our system. that was a hard fall for men who had decades vested in the union. between a plethora of those drivers leaving and company management pruning anyone who had any standing as union hierarchy we developed a driver shortage that we still had when I left.

 

the irony for me as I was driving late model Sterlings, drawing great wages and fantastic benefits was being told I needed a union to look out for me. No unions seemed interested in 2000 when I was making $6.50 an hour driving a 1971 chain drive bowl Mack with no working gauges and four inches of play in the steering gear box.

 

BTW, the company is attempting to alleviate the driver shortage by offering $21 and hour in a city where $17 is very good but they are still unable to fill cabs.

[Mattndew76]

I have no doubt your Wife is hard worker. I am in a Union and I work my ass off everyday. I have a co-worker who is a Union Dependent. He uses it like a crutch every time something does not go his way. He accused our boss once of sexual harassment! Our boss is a man!! Now its the bad knees, the ones he claims he fucked up working for Buck Knives, but now, they got fucked up at work. So now he takes a few months off now and then for treatment and therapy. And guess who has to do his work?

 

Until recently he boasted on how he was untouchable, that they could not fire him. Until a supervisor got shit canned, now he is Johnny on the spot!

 

Even if I where to choose not to be in the Union, they still take dues from me. I am tired of them supporting liberal agendas and telling me to vote for Liberal Democrats and Socialists.

 

My Dad was a Teamster and he was a loyal teamster. There was never any Coors beer in our house because they where not Union and thus the Teamsters said no to Coors. When my dad fell ill and his performance started suffering at work, he was laid off. The fucking cocksucker Teamsters did nothing for him. Years of loyalty for nothing.

 

So yes, FUCK THE UNIONS! And the Parasites that are taking up good jobs!

I was part of the steel workers union for a few years. I knew this guy and several others like him that you have described.

 

All systems are manipulated and perverted by the greedy and the selfish. Shouldn't it be easier to unseat such self service? I wish it was. Seem all our institutes have become havens of rotten corruption serving the worst of our society.

[datzenmike]

Same here the UAW really leaned on you to vote NDP up in Canada. Well, back then. Fuck you NDP and double fuck you UAW. Up the ass. Hard! 

 

 

Another was donating to the United Way charity.They really lean on you for this. Probably still do. Take you aside from your work station and lecture you. When you don't fill out a deduction from your paycheck form you go to see a movie about it. When asked in front of my workmates how much to deduct from my check I told them fuck you and the reaction was like I kicked him in the nuts. Wow everyone just started at me. Probably wished they had done the same.

[paradime]

Those are fucked up situations, and I'm sure there are more stories that would curl the toes. In the Bay area the BART transit union has the entire area by the balls. They go on strike and shit closes down. EVERY individual, and business are effected, and looses a load of money so BART employees can get another huge raze. Mean while these ass holes act like their their shit doesn't stink, and they can treat the public like dirt. There are station agents making 6 figures to sit in a bullet proof box and act like they are annoyed that you just asked them a question.

[tr8er]

No, they are actually annoyed

[RatVonDude]

High ranking Union organizers are usually those guys towing 35 foot speed boats to their second home on the lake. Sure sign me up.

[RatVonDude]

Those are fucked up situations, and I'm sure there are more stories that would curl the toes. In the Bay area the BART transit union has the entire area by the balls. They go on strike and shit closes down. EVERY individual, and business are effected, and looses a load of money so BART employees can get another huge raze. Mean while these ass holes act like their their shit doesn't stink, and they can treat the public like dirt. There are station agents making 6 figures to sit in a bullet proof box and act like they are annoyed that you just asked them a question.

All the more reason the Bay Area is fucked up. It's a free for all from the infrastructure inside out.

 

Rent prices are determined by craigslist, 200,000 new jobs for cock sucker from some other part of the globe. Chevron style tax brakes for uber,lift,facebook,....

 

I have a message for all the new neighbors.

Stay the fuck outta my way

[q-tip]

Here is what a lifetime of unions does to someone. My uncle works for the ferry system, almost 20 years of it as a mechanical getting his hands dirty working on the boats. He then get elected as a union rep, goes from a flag waving gun toting Republican to telling me that the Democrats have been doing so much for this state and making it so great for business.

Washington is one of the worst States to run a business that isn't a corporation.

This transformation took all of about 6 months.

[paradime]

There are always two side to the story, and it would be stupid to overlook the positive. My step father was union, drove a trash truck for 30 years before he retired. Back in the day he was loading 15 tons of trash a day by hand before automation, but made a good enough living to raze 12 kids. Before my Dad got into real estate, he was a union welder in the aero space industry. He had a 5 bedroom house in Mission Hills, San Diego, 3 kids, and we went camping every summer for a month. We were not hell off, but there was security in knowing what we had to work with and that it was reliable. Had it not been for those unions, I don't know that my childhood would have been as stable.

[q-tip]

Unions are good, the people that run them are not. There are exceptions to everything.

[DaBlist]

[paradime]

[tr8er]

The Hawaii Carpenters Union was run by an imprisoned president for years. The organization that does not see that as an issue has gone too far.

[KoHeartsGPA]

There are always two side to the story, and it would be stupid to overlook the positive. My step father was union, drove a trash truck for 30 years before he retired. Back in the day he was loading 15 tons of trash a day by hand before automation, but made a good enough living to raze 12 kids. Before my Dad got into real estate, he was a union welder in the aero space industry. He had a 5 bedroom house in Mission Hills, San Diego, 3 kids, and we went camping every summer for a month. We were not hell off, but there was security in knowing what we had to work with and that it was reliable. Had it not been for those unions, I don't know that my childhood would have been as stable.

Key word...."my grandfather".....yes back in the day unions were doing what they set out to do....today's union isn't your grandfather's union.

[RatVonDude]

Is there a troll union?

[KoHeartsGPA]

Is there a troll union?

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[thisismatt]

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