paradime Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 WTF is a human rights tribunal, PC police? Link to comment
angliagt Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 Guaranteed business! I think Bill would welcome them - with open arms! 1 Link to comment
VFR800 Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 And an open wallet. Link to comment
datzenmike Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 You get the government you deserve. 2 Link to comment
VFR800 Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 "Democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people" Oscar Wilde 1 Link to comment
Jesse C. Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 "Democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people" Oscar Wilde Oscar Wilde In Leadville, April 13th, 1882 Scholastic Designation: Culture, Unlike War, Moves In A Breeze And Not A Gale, This With Its Slight Persistent Force Has Made A 19th Century Playwright & Sodomite The Messenger Of Art To Cretins And Is Destined To Be The Doomed Nut In A Three Dollar Fruit Cake Remedial Title: A Fairy's Kiss For A Syphilitic Lily Sniffer 2 Link to comment
paradime Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 You get the government you deserve. 2 Link to comment
VFR800 Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Oscar Wilde In Leadville, April 13th, 1882 Scholastic Designation: Culture, Unlike War, Moves In A Breeze And Not A Gale, This With Its Slight Persistent Force Has Made A 19th Century Playwright & Sodomite The Messenger Of Art To Cretins And Is Destined To Be The Doomed Nut In A Three Dollar Fruit Cake Remedial Title: A Fairy's Kiss For A Syphilitic Lily Sniffer Art as a part of culture is of course allowed to make it's view known and this is subjective. Wilde's point about Democracy is not lessened any because one person paints a painting. 1 Link to comment
Jesse C. Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Art as a part of culture is of course allowed to make it's view known and this is subjective. Wilde's point about Democracy is not lessened any because one person paints a painting. And to treat Wilde as art, which technically he was, is to say that he is also subjective. To take the skewed view of a known celebrity as the truth can be quite dangerous and misguided. It is up there with Ringo saying "It was a Hard Days Night" Make no real sense but we accept it. Link to comment
VFR800 Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Wilde's comment there technically was not "art" as it wasn't encapsulated in any tome or play he wrote. Even if it were such,art can be speaking truth whether anyone likes it or not. Also,he's not speaking only of USA as it relates to "democracy",the Britain where Wilde was from had democracy so not sure how he has a "skewered" view. Bear in mind,fact - United States of America was founded as a Republic and not a democracy. The democratic part (Roman or Greek) came later. Link to comment
Jesse C. Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Wilde's comment there technically was not "art" as it wasn't encapsulated in any tome or play he wrote. Even if it were such,art can be speaking truth whether anyone likes it or not. Also,he's not speaking only of USA as it relates to "democracy",the Britain where Wilde was from had democracy so not sure how he has a "skewered" view. Bear in mind,fact - United States of America was founded as a Republic and not a democracy. The democratic part (Roman or Greek) came later. To take someones observation as the truth is entirely up to the reader or listener. Not everyone will share the point of view, either right or wrong. And Wilde came more from a Monarchy than a Democracy. The very thing we rebelled against. Link to comment
paradime Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Great Britain's Democratically elected Parliament was established in 1707 and thats when the monarch increasingly became a figurehead and not the primary form of government. It's important to note that it was only land owners who could vote though. Sound familiar? The statement of this gay artist Mr. Wilde was directed at the forces that move culture, and although one influences the other, his statement was not directed at democracy. Rather, his remark was poking fun at the irony of a "playwright & sodomite the messenger of art to cretins" ie. the culture he influenced. Classic British backhanded self deference humor. Akin to Groucho Marks, "I wouldn't join a club that would have me as a member." 3 Link to comment
Mattndew76 Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 http://nypost.com/2016/08/21/american-journalism-is-collapsing-before-our-eyes/ 3 Link to comment
VFR800 Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 To take someones observation as the truth is entirely up to the reader or listener. Not everyone will share the point of view, either right or wrong. And Wilde came more from a Monarchy than a Democracy. The very thing we rebelled against. We all take certain things to be "truth" we all have our own "truths" and of course not everyone will see the same "truths" so hence we disagree. If you do look over all of Wilde's work,he was scathing of the society and culture that he was born into (a constitutional monarchy with a Parliarmentary system),he was not pro-Monarchy anymore than he was pro-democracy. So your point about where he came from is ill informed to say the least. The sole point that the Colonials in America rebelled against was "no representation without taxation",not against the Monarchy itself. 1 Link to comment
john510 Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 http://nypost.com/2016/08/21/american-journalism-is-collapsing-before-our-eyes/ Damn,that is so true. Link to comment
paradime Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 "no representation without taxation". Actually it's "No taxation without representation" Bloody ill informed Ausies. :lol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_taxation_without_representation 2 Link to comment
VFR800 Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 It's early AM here when I posted that :angel: And I like your use of "ill informed" 1 Link to comment
datzenmike Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!!!!!! Journalism died with the newspapers in the '80s!!!! Only now it's starting to sink in?????? Ever since the internet, when ANYONE, ANYONE can say anything, any journalists that might have survived are buried under a mountain of SHIT! There is no truth. There is no honesty. There is no ethics, integrity or unbiased reporting, and there are no good journalists left. There is only the word journalist in the dictionary to show what once was. It hangs around like a bastard ginger waiting for a parent to come back and claim it. Most people (if they care) will know a truth when they hear it, but you have to listen very hard (and think) and it helps if you are honest, ethical, and unbiased or try to be. There's truth in the phrase about something having 'the ring of truth'. Truth will resonate in you. Long ago when people read newspapers the printed work was permanent and expected to be true, unlike spoken words. Editors worked hard to keep bias and half truths out. Journalist who were very good rose to the top like cream. (no one today buys milk today fresh from the dairy, but the cream used to separate and float to the top of the bottle) Only the best journalist got their words printed. Good journalism sold newspapers. It wasn't perfect but it was very very good. It had the ring of truth in it. With good journalism you don't have to agree to find it a good read. And that's the point... it's all good. I love this movie. Here's Howard's rants..... 2 Link to comment
VFR800 Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Yeah,"journalism" has not only JUST gone doggo. Thomas Jefferson was not a fan.... LOL! 1 Link to comment
datzenmike Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Because politician. The fifth estate is no friend of the politician as they ask questions and want the truth. Well................ they used to. 2 Link to comment
VFR800 Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 True,few if any politicians like media unless it's favouring them. 1 Link to comment
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