destruction of america

[datzenmike]

9 hours ago, tr8er said:

Holy fuck some of you guys still think masks are worn to protect the wearer? 

 

 

Which leads to "I'm not sick so no sense wearing it for others."

[Logical1]

18 hours ago, Mattndew76 said:

Coming into a conversation with an opinion that builds on nothing is a brilliant approach. 

 

 

So aside from aspersions, do you have anything to contribute that counters the subject of the article? They reported the court victory and posted the court order.

 

What do you have?

 

Oh did I shit in your sandbox? I was unaware you were engaged to fox media networks! 

 

Fairly sure this a free for any & all classic car forum full of irreverent misfits open to criticism and satire.

 

 

[Mattndew76]

9 minutes ago, Logical1 said:

 

Oh did I shit in your sandbox? I was unaware you were engaged to fox media networks! 

 

Fairly sure this a free for any & all classic car forum full of irreverent misfits open to criticism and satire.

 

 

 

Again on display is your brilliance. 

 

Having not shit on anything that's offended my sensibilities, I would like to know how or in what way you came to this conclusion? 

 

I asked for you to provide anything contrary to the information in the article. You haven't and have done no more than to display that you think your tribal half wit posts have some importance of added information.

 

You sir are a mental giant.  

 

 

[Mattndew76]

4 hours ago, datzenmike said:

 

Which leads to "I'm not sick so no sense wearing it for others."

 

This is the point in most of the debate. 

 

"If I am not sick then why do I have to wear the mask?" general quote of argument... Once this debate started, I seem to remember the narrative shift that you can be "Asymptomatic" so every person had to comply. 

 

The new norm is that your freedoms are not more important than my paranoia.

[datzenmike]

 

Nigel?

[Str8jacket]

14 hours ago, tr8er said:

Only one group is politicizing this issue.

 

Um no. Both sides are politicizing the mask bullshit

 

One side is using not wearing one as a statement against the other side, and doesn't care if they are effective or not.

 

The other side is using masks as a political weapon, a training tool for assimilation, revenue raising, a fashion statement and a signal of virtue and doesnt care if they are effective or not. 

 

Let's be honest, the large majority of caring citizens are not wearing a proper mask in any form, most are wearing what is akin to either a leopard print g-banger that suits their current out fit, or a mean looking skull print that suits their current "peaceful protest" attire. 

 

Dont be as blind to your chosen sides failings as you proport others to be. 

[datzenmike]

 

[Dguy210]

 

[datzenmike]

Tim I like your posts but you are way wrong on this one.

 

I think that the Syrian ambassador knows way more about the Middle East than trump would if he lived to be a thousand. Troop withdraws sounds very trendy and worth a few votes but is very ill advised.There is no need to have a plan to win anything. The point is to keep it in turmoil. What would happen if those fucks over there were left alone? They would get their shit together and make a concerted nuclear or terrorist attack you or both. Without a presence there you would never see it coming and would be caught flat footed huddled in your 'fortress USA'. War is a natural state for humans, as well are refugees, and troop losses, always has been. You have a tiger by the tail you do NOT let go and think to walk away. I said this before, if you're going to protect your interests world wide you need a training ground to keep your troops well honed and practiced at adapting to changing battlefields. This is the cost of doing business, that's all. When an army huddles in a fortress and rarely ventures out, it has lost the initiative and is half way defeated. 

[frankendat]

I have resigned myself to a Biden Presidency, and take comfort the Republican presence, in the House and Senate, should undermine implementation of the full socialist/communist agenda.

Not that I wouldn’t take joy if Trump pulled out a win.  I still watch youtube reruns of the 2016 election mainstream media meltdown, to improve my mood.

As far as Covid, I don’t care. DatzenMike mentioned seatbelts, as an analogy, a couple of pages back. I prefer to abstain from wearing a seatbelt, unless passenger in a car where the driver requests.  It is antidotal evidence, but not wearing a seatbelt, saved me from death or severe injury, twice. (once in a Datsun) And I have paid the fine when ticketed for not wearing a seat belt. I only take issue, when worthless bean counting c*nts, attempt to force seatbelt compliance, by raising the fine, or attempt to mandate devices that prevent vehicle operation sans seatbelts. 

I wear a mask, because I’m tired and don’t want to be forced to hurt some super duper mask commander, who gets in my face to “educate” me.

Covid, like most things, is a numbers game. No doubt, when a vaccine rolls out, it will kill some, and some will refuse it--C’est la vie.

[frankendat]

Going forward, remain vigilant in opposition of transgressions on Constitutional rights. Remember, Antifa,  the demonization, ostracism, and intolerance of the “liberal agenda”; realize the campaign of misinformation has only just begun.  If witness to federal  forced relinquishment of a neighbor’s  lawfully acquired firearms, intervene to prevent injustice. Hold tight, to the hope, your neighbor will intervene for you.

Don’t worry about civil war in the next four years. If the Democrats make good on their promise of amnesty/citizenship for the millions of criminals, illegally in the United States, then a second term for Harris is assured (Doubt Biden will make it that long). What should happen, now the Democrats are in “power” and they implement their agenda, some things work out, the more extreme things screw up. People get pissed off and it swings back the other way, either a little or a lot. The Democrats take their loss into consideration and adjust their more extreme positions to appeal to a wider voter demographic. The Republicans should  follow the same process. Neither party appreciates compromise, but both parties will, begrudgingly, temper some polices to remain in power.

Amnesty for illegals, defeats this check and balance. The Democrats are “buying” millions of votes, with our money. Even if only one in five new “citizens” vote Democrat, in the next Presidential election, a Democrat victory is guaranteed. A second Harris term will come without readjustment or tempering of the socialist/communist agenda. The United States will be unrecognizable and armed insurrection will be palatable to a greater number. Enough for a successful campaign, possibly, it will hinge on control of the military and national guard.

[Dguy210]

13 hours ago, datzenmike said:

 

Which leads to "I'm not sick so no sense wearing it for others."

 

[datzenmike]

 

 The original Penguin

 

 

[datzenmike]

57 minutes ago, frankendat said:

 DatzenMike mentioned seatbelts, as an analogy, a couple of pages back. I prefer to abstain from wearing a seatbelt, unless passenger in a car where the driver requests.  It is antidotal evidence, but not wearing a seatbelt, saved me from death or severe injury, twice. (once in a Datsun) 

 

 

Unless the car you flew out of continued on over a cliff and into a volcano it's really hard to say you were better off.

 

 

 

[tr8er]

14 hours ago, datzenmike said:

 

Which leads to "I'm not sick so no sense wearing it for others."

Its pretty fucking simple.  Go overkill just a little and be done.  If everyone just did this for a month it would be over.  But instead a retarded political system created a cesspool nation for viral spread.  People using their constitutional freedom as a means of justifying endangering others is weak as fuck IMO.  If this were more than a slight inconvenience I’d sing a different tune.  I’m a damn Libertarian and I see it this way.  Trumpers are absolutely making this political.  I know many of you see it differently and absolutely are convinced that wearing a mask is some secret handshake against Trump.   I don’t really know how to better say it.  It’s simply not.  The commonality you are associating here is that Democrats at large are willing to let the scientific and medical professionals advice guide policy to lead the populous out of this tragedy.  And as it requires close to full participation to help the hope is that close to everyone would care enough to do so for a short time.  Since that didn’t happen, that short time is turning into a year.  A fucking year of people dying and debt growing.  And yet the same fucking plan is still being preached.  It’s a hoax.  Masks won’t help.  Democrat ploy.  Holy fuck.  This is a Virus.  We know exactly how to stop transmission of virus’ by stopping proximity spread.  1 month.  Globally.  That’s it.  Then done.  Deniers are the assholes making me wear a mask a year later.  Not the ones trying to stop it.  Deniers are the reason my parents haven’t seen their grandkids for a year.  Deniers are the reason my friends mom died in a hospital in Thailand and he wasn’t allowed to travel from the US to visit her.  Deniers are the reason my children can’t see their best friends since March.  This is dumb and not stopping.  And I do blame politics for a non political issue.  
 

    Rant you needed to hear but didn’t read.  

[Dguy210]

13 minutes ago, tr8er said:

Its pretty fucking simple.  Go overkill just a little and be done.  If everyone just did this for a month it would be over.  But instead a retarded political system created a cesspool nation for viral spread.  People using their constitutional freedom as a means of justifying endangering others is weak as fuck IMO.  If this were more than a slight inconvenience I’d sing a different tune.  I’m a damn Libertarian and I see it this way.  Trumpers are absolutely making this political.  I know many of you see it differently and absolutely are convinced that wearing a mask is some secret handshake against Trump.   I don’t really know how to better say it.  It’s simply not.  The commonality you are associating here is that Democrats at large are willing to let the scientific and medical professionals advice guide policy to lead the populous out of this tragedy.  And as it requires close to full participation to help the hope is that close to everyone would care enough to do so for a short time.  Since that didn’t happen, that short time is turning into a year.  A fucking year of people dying and debt growing.  And yet the same fucking plan is still being preached.  It’s a hoax.  Masks won’t help.  Democrat ploy.  Holy fuck.  This is a Virus.  We know exactly how to stop transmission of virus’ by stopping proximity spread.  1 month.  Globally.  That’s it.  Then done.  Deniers are the assholes making me wear a mask a year later.  Not the ones trying to stop it.  Deniers are the reason my parents haven’t seen their grandkids for a year.  Deniers are the reason my friends mom died in a hospital in Thailand and he wasn’t allowed to travel from the US to visit her.  Deniers are the reason my children can’t see their best friends since March.  This is dumb and not stopping.  And I do blame politics for a non political issue.  
 

    Rant you needed to hear but didn’t read.  

 

 

Hmm. Well Sweden didn't lockdown at all and they seem to be doing fine. 

 

"People using their constitutional freedom as a means of justifying endangering others is weak as fuck IMO."

Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

 

My Liberty IS more important than your safety. FULL STOP. Especially for a disease with a >99% survival rate for anyone not older than 70 and still >95% for that. The median life expectancy is only 76. OLD PEOPLE DIE FROM RANDOM SHIT ALL THE TIME.

 

"Deniers are the reason my parents haven’t seen their grandkids for a year.  Deniers are the reason my friends mom died in a hospital in Thailand and he wasn’t allowed to travel from the US to visit her.  Deniers are the reason my children can’t see their best friends since March."

 

WRONG. The reason those things happened is lockdowns by the government. SEE HOW LIBERTY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN SAFETY.

 

All I hear from you is "do whatever the government wants".. FUCK THAT

 

What if the government told you to shove a pinecone up your ass to stop Covid? Would you do that?

Edited November 14, 2020 by Dguy210

[Dguy210]

 

Edited November 14, 2020 by Dguy210

[Dguy210]

https://www.wbtv.com/2020/11/12/new-video-shows-candidates-husband-escorting-voters-into-early-voting-anson-co/

Montgomery’s wife, Dannie Montgomery, was the Democratic candidate for register of deeds in this year’s election. As of Thursday evening—prior to final absentee ballots and valid provisional ballots being cast—Montgomery trailed by more than 500 votes behind an unaffiliated challenger.

In the videos, Montgomery is seen walking in with the voter, who gets a ballot from an election worker, and then proceeds to a voting booth.

One video shows Montgomery marking the ballot for a voter, who is standing behind Montgomery with his hands in his pockets.

Edited November 14, 2020 by Dguy210

[tr8er]

14 minutes ago, Dguy210 said:

 

 

Hmm. Well Sweden didn't lockdown at all and they seem to be doing fine. 

 

"People using their constitutional freedom as a means of justifying endangering others is weak as fuck IMO."

Benjamin Franklin once said: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

 

My Liberty IS more important than your safety. FULL STOP. Especially for a disease with a >99% survival rate for anyone not older than 70 and still >95% for that. The median life expectancy is only 76. OLD PEOPLE DIE FROM RANDOM SHIT ALL THE TIME.

 

"Deniers are the reason my parents haven’t seen their grandkids for a year.  Deniers are the reason my friends mom died in a hospital in Thailand and he wasn’t allowed to travel from the US to visit her.  Deniers are the reason my children can’t see their best friends since March."

 

WRONG. The reason those things happened is lockdowns by the government. SEE HOW LIBERTY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN SAFETY.

 

All I hear from you is "do whatever the government wants".. FUCK THAT

 

What if the government told you to shove a pinecone up your ass to stop Covid? Would you do that?

ESSENTIAL Liberty.  You skimmed over that part hearing what you wanted to hear.  
 

lockdowns are not the reason.  Virus is.  Gov says small gatherings are fine.  
 

im listening to science.  Not government.  My president says it’s a hoax.  If I was listening to him I’d be playing cards with friends right now.  

[Dguy210]

7 minutes ago, tr8er said:

ESSENTIAL Liberty.  You skimmed over that part hearing what you wanted to hear.  
 

lockdowns are not the reason.  Virus is.  Gov says small gatherings are fine.  
 

im listening to science.  Not government.  My president says it’s a hoax.  If I was listening to him I’d be playing cards with friends right now.  

 

Freedom of movement and assembly IS PRETTY FUCKING ESSENTIAL

 

Oh, you're listening to science? But you want more lockdowns? You're not listening very well then.

https://newspunch.com/who-urges-world-leaders-to-stop-using-lockdown-to-fight-covid/

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/who-official-urges-world-leaders-to-stop-using-lockdowns-as-primary-virus-control-method/ar-BB19TBUo

https://nypost.com/2020/10/11/who-warns-against-covid-19-lockdowns-due-to-economic-damage/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/10/11/covid-hospitalizations-up-11-state-records-who-questions-lockdowns/5960078002/

 

 

 

Edited November 14, 2020 by Dguy210

[Dguy210]

 

[tr8er]

12 minutes ago, Dguy210 said:

 

Freedom of movement and assembly IS PRETTY FUCKING ESSENTIAL

 

Oh, you're listening to science? But you want more lockdowns? You're not listening very well then.

https://newspunch.com/who-urges-world-leaders-to-stop-using-lockdown-to-fight-covid/

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/who-official-urges-world-leaders-to-stop-using-lockdowns-as-primary-virus-control-method/ar-BB19TBUo

https://nypost.com/2020/10/11/who-warns-against-covid-19-lockdowns-due-to-economic-damage/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/10/11/covid-hospitalizations-up-11-state-records-who-questions-lockdowns/5960078002/

 

 

 

I don’t want lockdowns.  I want people to fucking work together.  It shouldn’t be a mandate.  It should be intelligence and a plan.  When something irregular happens that you want to stop, going about your normal routine might not automatically be the best plan.  And really wanting it to be true doesn’t make it so.  

[Dguy210]

14 minutes ago, tr8er said:

I don’t want lockdowns.  I want people to fucking work together.  It shouldn’t be a mandate.  It should be intelligence and a plan.  When something irregular happens that you want to stop, going about your normal routine might not automatically be the best plan.  And really wanting it to be true doesn’t make it so.  

 

It boils down to a suggestion vs. an order.

 

I agree that people working together is the way it should be done. But of their own volition not by force.

 

You can make many suggestions for behavior. That is perfectly fine.

 

The problem becomes when you make it an order and violate people's rights.

 

Forcing people to work under a mandate has a name: slavery.

 

Currently the WHO is suggesting more lockdowns are not the answer as it will do more harm than good. This seems like a pretty reasonable statement based on the massive harm we've seen due to the current lockdowns.

 

The cure can not be worse than the disease.

 

 

 

 

[frankendat]

2 hours ago, datzenmike said:

Unless the car you flew out of continued on over a cliff and into a volcano it's really hard to say you were better off.

T-boned in my 78 620 regular cab. It had the blue vinyl bench seat. The impact pushed most of me into the passenger side. I had a nice bruise where my thigh drug across the gear shift. The driver's door was hit on a slight angle and where I would have been trapped, if bound by a belt was smashed.

On a positive note: I bought that 620 for $300, after the accident, I purchased a complete,different color, salvage driver's door and side mirror for $40. The other guy's insurance paid $500 to settle the claim. i accepted and that Datsun, which continued to be a daily driver for another couple of years, is still the only vehicle, I have owned that ended with a net positive balance. 

[Dguy210]

19 minutes ago, frankendat said:

T-boned in my 78 620 regular cab. It had the blue vinyl bench seat. The impact pushed most of me into the passenger side. I had a nice bruise where my thigh drug across the gear shift. The driver's door was hit on a slight angle and where I would have been trapped, if bound by a belt was smashed.

On a positive note: I bought that 620 for $300, after the accident, I purchased a complete,different color, salvage driver's door and side mirror for $40. The other guy's insurance paid $500 to settle the claim. i accepted and that Datsun, which continued to be a daily driver for another couple of years, is still the only vehicle, I have owned that ended with a net positive balance. 

 

On the whole wearing a seatbelt is more likely to save your life or reduce injury in an accident.

 

Like all things it does have downsides but statistically it is more likely to do good than cause problems and by a large margin (best numbers I could find said 50-60% reduction in death and injury).

 

However, I also think as an adult you should be free to choose to wear it or not.

 

If you want to go by anecdotes I've been involved in 2 accidents where a seatbelt made a difference. One were the other person wasn't wearing one and was ejected and killed and one where I was wearing one and it kept me from severe injuries.

Edited November 14, 2020 by Dguy210