Covid-19 Prepared?

[Dav]

37 minutes ago, john510 said:

You typed all of that and ended it with "it is a choice" ? Obviously it isn't.Who in the hell can or should just pack up their life and start over because of a forced vaccine ? Ridiculous.If this vaccine was showing to eradicate Covid i'm sure more of our citizens would be willing to get it.That hasn't been the case though has it ? Vaccinating and masking children is another ridiculous ploy from these leftist lunatics.They're kids,young and healthy.Maybe a natural vaccination would be better for them.Your definition of choice is distorted.And who is it that wants society to "bend to their impassioned wants" ? It's not those that don't want a vaccine is it ? It's those that want everybody to get it no matter what the circumstances.I'll point out Newsom's childrens vaccine mandate,that hypocritical SOB wants all kids vaccinated to attend school and his own kid isn't vaccinated for so called medical reasons.Absolute bullshit.

We are using two different definitions of force. One of physical force versus pressure.  Our “government” and employers are using pressure or effort force, while you are likening it to being something more.

 

If vaccines and masks are not working, why does California have a lower infection rate? Eradication is kind of a dream that you concocted - don’t think anyone anywhere has proposed that vaccines were intended to eradicate.  If you respond that you can’t trust what is being reported, I’ll be forced to ignore you.

 

[john510]

15 minutes ago, Dav said:

We are using two different definitions of force. One of physical force versus pressure.  Our “government” and employers are using pressure or effort force, while you are likening it to being something more.

 

If vaccines and masks are not working, why does California have a lower infection rate? Eradication is kind of a dream that you concocted - don’t think anyone anywhere has proposed that vaccines were intended to eradicate.  If you respond that you can’t trust what is being reported, I’ll be forced to ignore you.

 

Maybe we should change "forced" into "bribed" ? What is this "eradication is a dream i concocted" ? I've never made a suggestion that the vaccine eradicates Covid.Maybe California now has a lower infection rate because we had a higher infection rate some time ago ? Isn't Los Angeles still a mess ? And i don't trust whatever is being reported,who would be dumb enough to trust everything we've heard as absolute truth ? They're all over the place with what they tell us.Remember "two weeks to flatten the curve" ? That was over a year and a half ago.Remember "no masks necessary" just to be changed a few weeks later.Now two masks.Get the vaccine and you don't have to wear a mask,now it doesn't matter if you're vaccinated or not,wear that mask.Kids were fine and somewhat immune to Covid a year ago,now they want them vaccinated ? So which is it ? If you're outdoors and alone you don't need a mask yet we watch our President stroll out to his helicopter,alone and outside wearing a mask.Yea i trust all of this back and forth changing of the rules and different opinions from all involved.Now have i forced you to ignore me or is it a choice ? 

[datzenmike]

1 hour ago, Mattndew76 said:

 

I rallied against this too. I was a teen holding a sign in a small town. I and a few other people never made an impact. 

 

That's because most people didn't want some drug fucked up asshole flying a plane, piloting a ship, running a train or bus or semi. I don't blame them. 

[Mattndew76]

2 minutes ago, datzenmike said:

 

That's because most people didn't want some drug fucked up asshole flying a plane, piloting a ship, running a train or bus or semi. I don't blame them. 

 

None of that was even happening.  Also we have a largely Marijuana free society now and drug tests are becoming rare in the work place so its almost come full circle how this policy had ZERO impacts on anything other than an exercise of control.

 

 

Edited October 16, 2021 by Mattndew76

[Dav]

6 minutes ago, john510 said:

Maybe we should change "forced" into "bribed" ? What is this "eradication is a dream i concocted" ? I've never made a suggestion that the vaccine eradicates Covid.Maybe California now has a lower infection rate because we had a higher infection rate some time ago ? Isn't Los Angeles still a mess ? And i don't trust whatever is being reported,who would be dumb enough to trust everything we've heard as absolute truth ? They're all over the place with what they tell us.Remember "two weeks to flatten the curve" ? That was over a year and a half ago.Remember "no masks necessary" just to be changed a few weeks later.Now two masks.Get the vaccine and you don't have to wear a mask,now it doesn't matter if you're vaccinated or not,wear that mask.Kids were fine and somewhat immune to Covid a year ago,now they want them vaccinated ? So which is it ? If you're outdoors and alone you don't need a mask yet we watch our President stroll out to his helicopter,alone and outside wearing a mask.Yea i trust all of this back and forth changing of the rules and different opinions from all involved.Now have i forced you to ignore me or is it a choice ? 

Some folks have flexible minds and can accept that things change and might be different in the future than what is currently being reported/said.  Others do not have flexible minds.

 

I suppose that I misused what you wrote. You indicated that there would be a different reaction from folks if the goal of vaccination was eradication. Of course, but that’s a little silly, as eradication was not proposed as a possible outcome by anyone.

 

 

 

[datzenmike]

Well they were told that the vaccine was 96% effective and believed it.

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, Mattndew76 said:

 

None of that was even happening.  Also we have a largely Marijuana free society now and drug tests are becoming rare in the work place so its almost come full circle how this policy had ZERO impacts on anything other than an exercise of control.

 

 

No one was/is on drugs? while operating a train. Semi drivers are all drug free?????? Heavy equipment/crane operators are not on crack ? ever??? Marijuana is sold in stores everywhere. It's everywhere. So is meth. Everywhere. I welcome drug testing it makes me safer... and fuck you, you fucking druggies. 

[Mattndew76]

Just now, datzenmike said:

Well they were told that the vaccine was 96% effective and believed it.

 

 

 

No one was/is on drugs? while operating a train. Semi drivers are all drug free?????? Heavy equipment/crane operators are not on crack ? ever??? Marijuana is sold in stores everywhere. It's everywhere. So is meth. Everywhere. I welcome drug testing it makes me safer... and fuck you, you fucking druggies. 

 

 Drugs continued to proliferate in the work space regardless of piss testing. Just like the "war" on drugs this policy didn't have an impact on stopping anything. Well i suppose denying a person unemployment after they had an accident, but that was about it. 

[john510]

I'm not sure what a flexible mind has to do with the flip flopping from Dr.Fraudci,the CDC and our current Government.Definition of "flexible mind" ? Sheep ? 

[Mattndew76]

 

 

[Dav]

26 minutes ago, john510 said:

I'm not sure what a flexible mind has to do with the flip flopping from Dr.Fraudci,the CDC and our current Government.Definition of "flexible mind" ? Sheep ? 

Nope - just the ability to accept that when a scientist is confronted with a new experience, like COVID, understand all of the following:  1) the scientist has to think about something, 2) take a guess as to what might work or what might be happening, 3) tell the public what they think, 4) go determine whether what they said is actually what was happening, 5) understand that the first 4 items were based on a reasoned guess based on training and experience, 6) also understand that the scientist’s reasoned guess could have been flawed and require adjustment based on what they did in item 4.

 

If you don’t have that ability to accept that things get better through study, then you’ll end up calling a scientist a liar because they tested and adjusted what they said at the start, and I’ll understand that you have an inflexible mind.

Edited October 16, 2021 by Dav

[Mattndew76]

 

[datzenmike]

6 minutes ago, Mattndew76 said:

 

 Drugs continued to proliferate in the work space regardless of piss testing. Just like the "war" on drugs this policy didn't have an impact on stopping anything. Well i suppose denying a person unemployment after they had an accident, but that was about it. 

 

Well here if you fail you get a vacation and counseling help. I don't know what the requirements are for returning to work, certainly several drug free tests.  Depending on your job even fired. What's the point of a test and no repercussions?

[Mattndew76]

3 minutes ago, datzenmike said:

 

Well here if you fail you get a vacation and counseling help. I don't know what the requirements are for returning to work, certainly several drug free tests.  Depending on your job even fired. What's the point of a test and no repercussions?

 

It was just a long term exercise of control. Did people accept it? Yes even though it was an absolute failure of policy. There doesn't need to be a mandate any longer.  

[datzenmike]

Not following. Drug testing should weed out the assholes that are responsible for our safety. Not necessarily burger flippers more like bus and semi drivers, pilots, police, military. What's wrong with that?  

 

Exercise in control??? Like being made to wear seat belts?

[Mattndew76]

Just now, datzenmike said:

Not following. Drug testing should weed out the assholes that are responsible for our safety. Not necessarily burger flippers more like bus and semi drivers, pilots, police, military. What's wrong with that?  

 

It doesn't though. its a speed bump at most. I've worked in a rocket lab and aerospace labs from AZ to OR. Every lab had a drug problem among the machinist's and the engineers. Drug tests were only the boogie-men that come after a fuck up, and it only appeared in the shop. 

 

People with the talent and brains only passed one test to be employed and then began their habits after the initial bump in the road. Drugs and drug dealing proliferated in every shop I was associated with. 

 

It never weeded out anyone. Never stopped people from being employed, and in places that were doing government contracted work on systems that you wouldn't want being responsible for fucking up.  It was an absolute exercise of futility. 

 

 

[datzenmike]

So one bloody test???? WTF????? No wonder. Needs to be regular or random or waste of time isn't it? 

[Mattndew76]

1 minute ago, datzenmike said:

So one bloody test???? WTF????? No wonder. Needs to be regular or random or waste of time isn't it? 

 

It cannot ever be regular and can only be random, and among ALL staff. One lab I worked in only put the labor talent into the pool of random selection when the office had the worst drug issues. CEO literally was buying drugs from one of the Machinists, yet he was exempt from the drug testing...

 

 

[datzenmike]

Apparently not random or regular or for everyone. That's not drug testing.

 

 

[Mattndew76]

It was a mandate that had no upward benefit to anyone.  It created unnecessary costs, and created bureaucratic positions that produce nothing.

Edited October 16, 2021 by Mattndew76

[bottomwatcher]

1 hour ago, Mattndew76 said:

It was a mandate that had no upward benefit to anyone.  It created unnecessary costs, and created bureaucratic positions that produce nothing.

I work in the maritime industry and get drug tested often. If an officer gets popped the coast guard takes his licences. First offence they hold it for a year while you complete a drug program and test clean. 2nd time it's over for good. Same thing if you get a DUI you lose your license and go through alcohol rehab. Try to hide anything and again you are banned for life.

[datzenmike]

I used to work for a company that had dealings in the oil patch in northern Alberta. To even put in project bids the company had to have a drug testing policy in place and be certified. There was the remote chance that any worker 'down south' might have to go up there and work on some project so all employees are all pre approved. Most companies have a zero tolerance for drugs. Smaller ones just fire your ass, some can afford programs for offenders. The offenders that really care, clean up, the others move down the food chain.  Kind of a relief to know the operator swinging that excavator bucket near your head is less likely to be hungover from drugs. Or the dump truck backing up doesn't have an impaired driver. Plenty of others waiting to fill that job who are clean.  

[Str8jacket]

These "vaccine's" that are the magic bullet for everyone's life to get back to normal are still the brand new ones made this year that are under trial aren't they? I can understand a person assessing the risks for themselves and opting to take it, but the mental leap to forcing it upon all when as far as I am aware a trial that isn't complete is still a fucking trial. Comparing this to existing vaccine's takes some real mind bending thought processes. Existing vaxs have decades of results for a person to look at before choosing to take. These are less than 18mnths in the population which would also mean you have no fucking idea what the results will be 5 years, or 10 years. Given the fact that they are proving to be essentially useless after 4 months I fail to see ROI being worth the risk? 

 

You don't need fancy statistics and some gov bureaucracy to tell you what to think, if you were at a used car yard and the salesman was selling you the equivalent pitch your bullshit meter would be off the charts. But 6months of fear porn and every fucker is now thinking they have the moral high ground to enforce what every body else does.

 

As sure as the wind will pick up the second I pull out a sump plug , I am sure there is going to be some bad shit happen from these experiments, it doesn't take much, look at the cluster fuck that is going on with a "covid" death rate of .02%. If in 2 years they realise that 1% of the people who have taken the Vax is going to die, shit is going to get real. Or all could be well and nothing could happen, I may consider it then.

What I am interested in watching is the mental gymnastics of the Vax enforcers if it does go south, would be hard to mentally reconcile when your neighbours kids are all fucked up from this little corporate business venture and you have been out there being a good little salesman. Seppuku would be a answer to that issue I suppose. 

Edited October 17, 2021 by Str8jacket
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[jbirds510]

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[datzenmike]

I wonder how he would miss handle the 'epidemic'? At least we could understand him if not his intent.

[john510]

13 minutes ago, datzenmike said:

I wonder how he would miss handle the 'epidemic'? At least we could understand him if not his intent.

Well he is a Republican and would have MISHANDLED it like only Republicans can do.