Skib Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 Been exposed a plenty... Never got any sort of sick. I'm not saying the BAC had anything to do with it.... but it didn't noooot have anything to do with it ... 2 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 Get?.... full blown disease? no I didn't 'get' it. But I'm sure that at some time or other I could 'get' exposed to one of them and as I and dguy said also, it can't progress to full blown status. So yea you can 'get' it (exposure) you just can't keep it. If you have anti bodies then obviously you were exposed to something that provoked an immune response. An exception might be a blood transfusion? Absolutely you can have a disease and not have any symptoms. BAC? I'm signing up for a test trial. I've heard that if your BAC is high and you are in an accident you are less likely to be hurt because you are loose and relaxed and can't easily tense up... so there's that Quote Link to comment
iceman510 Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 15 hours ago, Dguy210 said: NO. Vaccines stop you from getting the disease, THAT is why it doesn't progress. AN effective vaccine causes the production of "neutralizing antibodies" that will PREVENT entry of the virus into the cell. No viral entry, no viral replication, no disease. Try reading this again, especially the last sentence. You didn't get the disease without cell entry. There is difference between infection and disease. A difference between exposure and contracting (getting) the disease. I am defining "getting" the disease as actually developing symptoms that indicate it is present and affecting you. 6 minutes ago, datzenmike said: Get?.... full blown disease? no I didn't 'get' it. But I'm sure that at some time or other I could 'get' exposed to one of them and as I and dguy said also, it can't progress to full blown status. So yea you can 'get' it (exposure) you just can't keep it. If you have anti bodies then obviously you were exposed to something that provoked an immune response. An exception might be a blood transfusion? Absolutely you can have a disease and not have any symptoms. Really have to disagree with your assessment in the last statement. What are the criteria to say you have the disease without symptoms? "You have high blood pressure but your numbers are normal" is not something you are going to hear. "You have breast cancer, but no cancer cells are present". Your immune system responds to infection and wins, keeping you from "getting" a cold or whatever is coming your way. Now granted, in some cases you may have such mild symptoms that is not noticeable on a macro scale, but that is different than not having any identifiable symptoms on a micro level. 1 Quote Link to comment
jbirds510 Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 (edited) 50 minutes ago, iceman510 said: Even with covid they have been trying to say you "had" it if there are any antibodies in your system, even if you never had any manifestation of symptoms. I don't think you had a "disease" without any effect noticeable. 1. Antibodies to a corona virus?? Details matter, not to delve too deep into Serology or the differences between CST, RST, ChLIA, ELISA, multiplex pcr NGS, CMIA. etc.. I can spool up your blood sample and show you antibodies or not show you antibodies depending on the results youd like. Its a hard sell for me because the IgM IgG results can be indicative of a fairly recent exposure to one of these endemic coronas (HCoV-229E, -NL63, -OC43, and -HKU1). If I didnt fund or oversee the testing Im likely to dispute results. 2. Since when did we start calling seasonal illness novel or otherwise "disease". That's fear language... Just saying. To be completely honest, of all the current American health concerns, cold viruses barely register compared to heart and respiratory concerns. If we want to push a vaccine it should be for Mcdonalds because your odds of dying from a corona are negligible to a lifestyle related stroke or heart attack or both. https://memorialhermann.org/services/specialties/heart-and-vascular/healthy-living/education/heart-disease-and-age This obviously will never happen, maintaining/masking poor health through chemical intervention is where the money is. Theres no money in fixing people. Im sorry, not people, customers, they are selling products..See a dealer near you. ($75 clams a stab) Edited December 13, 2022 by jbirds510 3 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted December 13, 2022 Report Share Posted December 13, 2022 31 minutes ago, iceman510 said: Try reading this again, especially the last sentence. You didn't get the disease without cell entry. There is difference between infection and disease. A difference between exposure and contracting (getting) the disease. I am defining "getting" the disease as actually developing symptoms that indicate it is present and affecting you. Really have to disagree with your assessment in the last statement. What are the criteria to say you have the disease without symptoms? "You have high blood pressure but your numbers are normal" is not something you are going to hear. "You have breast cancer, but no cancer cells are present". Your immune system responds to infection and wins, keeping you from "getting" a cold or whatever is coming your way. Now granted, in some cases you may have such mild symptoms that is not noticeable on a macro scale, but that is different than not having any identifiable symptoms on a micro level. Of course you can 'get' a disease you are vaccinated from getting. (hear me out) Not every virus gets taken out by an antibody, some very few are bound to get through the defense and get into some few cells. Perhaps even a lot of cells. These may multiply but ultimately are doomed as a defense mounts against them. The disease can't progress or perhaps progress only far enough for a few minor symptoms to show. Many people have had cancer with zero symptoms. Often it is found only by accident while testing for something unrelated. 1 Quote Link to comment
Mattndew76 Posted December 14, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2022 Cancer is stem cells having an identity crisis though. Its not a disease. Its a horrid encoding issue where the stem cell doesn't know you have enough of something. Extremely reduced explanation.. Wish we could vaccinate for this. 1 Quote Link to comment
Logical1 Posted December 14, 2022 Report Share Posted December 14, 2022 I was taking a break and looked at my android phones "stream of news" or whatever they call it and saw this... I just cant even... wow. 1 7 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted December 14, 2022 Report Share Posted December 14, 2022 47 minutes ago, Mattndew76 said: Cancer is stem cells having an identity crisis though. Its not a disease. Its a horrid encoding issue where the stem cell doesn't know you have enough of something. Extremely reduced explanation.. Wish we could vaccinate for this. It also gets around cell apoptosis somehow 1 Quote Link to comment
Mattndew76 Posted December 14, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2022 I wonder if stem cell therapy has any effect on correcting cancer issues like it does for correcting degenerative problems faced by athletes . 1 Quote Link to comment
john510 Posted December 14, 2022 Report Share Posted December 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Logical1 said: I was taking a break and looked at my android phones "stream of news" or whatever they call it and saw this... I just cant even... wow. That sounds like some of the bullshit Yahoo would write. 2 1 Quote Link to comment
Str8jacket Posted December 14, 2022 Report Share Posted December 14, 2022 Are there actually real people who read and believe this stuff? It's like grown men listening to rap / pop music by choice? I see it then have to double take because I still can't understand it Is really happening. 3 1 Quote Link to comment
Skib Posted December 14, 2022 Report Share Posted December 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, Str8jacket said: Are there actually real people who read and believe this stuff? 3 4 Quote Link to comment
angliagt Posted December 14, 2022 Report Share Posted December 14, 2022 4 hours ago, Logical1 said: I was taking a break and looked at my android phones "stream of news" or whatever they call it and saw this... I just cant even... wow. ....and are more likely to be taken by scam artists & Biden supporters. 3 Quote Link to comment
Dguy210 Posted December 15, 2022 Report Share Posted December 15, 2022 7 hours ago, Mattndew76 said: I wonder if stem cell therapy has any effect on correcting cancer issues like it does for correcting degenerative problems faced by athletes . 7 hours ago, Mattndew76 said: I wonder if stem cell therapy has any effect on correcting cancer issues like it does for correcting degenerative problems faced by athletes . 8 hours ago, datzenmike said: It also gets around cell apoptosis somehow 8 hours ago, Mattndew76 said: Cancer is stem cells having an identity crisis though. Its not a disease. Its a horrid encoding issue where the stem cell doesn't know you have enough of something. Extremely reduced explanation.. Wish we could vaccinate for this. How deep you want to go on this? My current work all has to do with cancer immunotherapy... Short answer is Stem Cell Therapy and Cancer are not really related. Very very abbreviated response is Cancer Vaccines have been in and out of vogue for a while, very mixed results over a variety of model systems. 1 3 Quote Link to comment
gh0stwerx76 Posted December 15, 2022 Report Share Posted December 15, 2022 21 hours ago, Logical1 said: I was taking a break and looked at my android phones "stream of news" or whatever they call it and saw this... I just cant even... wow. pork eaters are at higher risk of house fire. Research study -->https://youtu.be/L1BDM1oBRJ8 4 Quote Link to comment
Mattndew76 Posted December 15, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2022 15 hours ago, Dguy210 said: How deep you want to go on this? My current work all has to do with cancer immunotherapy... Short answer is Stem Cell Therapy and Cancer are not really related. Very very abbreviated response is Cancer Vaccines have been in and out of vogue for a while, very mixed results over a variety of model systems. I am interested. 1 Quote Link to comment
john510 Posted December 15, 2022 Report Share Posted December 15, 2022 23 hours ago, Str8jacket said: Are there actually real people who read and believe this stuff? It's like grown men listening to rap / pop music by choice? I see it then have to double take because I still can't understand it Is really happening. Ever read the comments on a Yahoo story ? Some people are so out there.Some of the shit I read explains why we have our current President.The crap they believe as 100% true is scary.I have Yahoo for one reason and that's email. 2 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 Bigfoot, flat earth, UFOs, angels/devils/ghosts/visitations/poltergeists/auras/seances (or anything lumped under para normal) reincarnation, Trump is the antichrist, Trump is NOT the antichrist...... Quote Link to comment
angliagt Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) Lost Coast Outpost 1 hour ago, john510 said: Ever read the comments on a Yahoo story ? Some people are so out there.Some of the shit I read explains why we have our current President.The crap they believe as 100% true is scary.I have Yahoo for one reason and that's email. Sounds just like the Lost Coast Outpost that I check to see what's going on where I used to live.You have to keep in mind that it's VERY biased to the Left,& most of the comments reflect that. Almost always,in the comments at the bottom of the stories,at least one commenter will bring up Trump,& blame him for whatever the stories about,weather or not it's relevent to the story.Also VERY pro pot. Edited December 16, 2022 by angliagt 2 1 Quote Link to comment
angliagt Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 Lost Coast Outpost 2 Quote Link to comment
MikeRL411 Posted December 17, 2022 Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 On 12/14/2022 at 11:27 AM, Logical1 said: I was taking a break and looked at my android phones "stream of news" or whatever they call it and saw this... I just cant even... wow. Correlation is NOT causation! Quote Link to comment
john510 Posted December 17, 2022 Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 23 hours ago, angliagt said: Lost Coast Outpost Sounds just like the Lost Coast Outpost that I check to see what's going on where I used to live.You have to keep in mind that it's VERY biased to the Left,& most of the comments reflect that. Almost always,in the comments at the bottom of the stories,at least one commenter will bring up Trump,& blame him for whatever the stories about,weather or not it's relevent to the story.Also VERY pro pot. Most of those Yahoo losers blame our current situation on Trump.It's hard to believe how irrational people can be regarding politics. 2 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted December 17, 2022 Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 I think when something fucks up, someone is to blame. I nominate this power hungry, attention seeking, prevaricating, cock-sucking waste of skin. Runner up is the CCP. 2 1 Quote Link to comment
angliagt Posted December 17, 2022 Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 I'm certain he's related to Karin Jean-Pierre,the White House spokesweasel. 1 Quote Link to comment
john510 Posted December 17, 2022 Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 1 hour ago, datzenmike said: I think when something fucks up, someone is to blame. I nominate this power hungry, attention seeking, prevaricating, cock-sucking waste of skin. Runner up is the CCP. Trump's 2024 campaign slogan "Lock him up" ? LOL 2 1 Quote Link to comment
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