Cuz Merica

[thisismatt]

 

 

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[bananahamuck]

Fake nose

 

 

 

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[VFR800]

Fake news

 

 

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[Dguy210]

Well Dr. Guy, I'm not stupid enough to suggest Object Relation Theory is conclusive, but if you believe anthropomorphic comparative observations of primate sexual behavior constitutes "strong evidence supporting" this theory, seriously... what makes you think you're in a position to call my theory BS? At very least, psychology studies human behavior to test the validity of our hypotheses.

 

To me, your theory sounds like it's trying to uphold an outdated biological evolutionary model of human psychology based on assumptions of genetic determinism. You can rationalize bias, but when you consider the lack of universal human sexual preference across all sociocultural groups, this purely biological explanation you proposed falls apart. Desirable secondary sexual characteristics varies widely throughout the world. In fact, evolutionary psychology's hypotheses have zero testability, therefore it doesn't even meet minimum standards to be considered an empirical science. As a scientist you should know better than to use speculative hypotheses in an attempt to disprove or devalue alternate theoretical viewpoints.  

 

That being said, even I think Object Relations Theory is 50% mental autoeroticism, and 50% bovine scatology. And no, I don't care to see your sources. I have enough reading to do already.

"outdated biological evolutionary model of human psychology based on assumptions of genetic determinism" I would argue calling "genetic determinism" outdated is somewhat unfair, while it has many very negative historical implications (seriously nasty shit) arguing genes do not have a role in behavior is ridiculous. I ascribe, as I suspect you do to, to the more balanced nature vs. nurture models used wherein genes set a stage that has heavy influence from environment (hence my comment of 2-way interactions). I will also be the first to admit that my views are heavily shaped by my training where directly manipulating genetic material has a very defined outcome, although in a very much reduced system obviously. Also, to be fair my labeling things "bullshit" is hyperbolic and I do tend to use a reductionist approach (per the all science is actually physics thought).

 

But calling the entire field of "evolutionary psychology" a "non-empirical science" without "testable hypothesis" is I feel unfair, especially as this is still a heavily debated topic (Buss et al. 1998; Pinker, 1997b).]. Although, I will agree with you that as a mostly theoretical discipline, it is very contentious and there is probably a lot of garbage involved, confirmation bias, circular reasoning, and "stretching" of theories over likely unrelated or poorly related topics. But even aside from testable hypotheses, good science usually originates with phenomenological observation. I would argue my hypothesis is not purely speculative (anymore then any hypothesis is "speculative" as it IS based on several very defined observations, is it testable though? Not easily that I can think of.

 

TL;DR, humans are messy, most of the theories are likely highly incomplete and hard to test, arguing on the internet is probably a giant waste of time and electrons. 

 

Edit: I seriously need to check this forum more often, these couple page later replies kind of suck in my opinion.

[Dguy210]

The prefrontal cortex is responsible for rational analytical thought and projective inference, aka taking into consideration the consequences of your actions. Not only haven't the prefrontal cortex of adolescent's brains fully developed, those suckers have high octane hormones pump'n through em.

 

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Oh this so much. Testosterone is a hell of a drug. I'm still surprised I survived half of the stupid shit I did as a teenager.

[tr8er]

Of course USA should do so as all nations do already.

 

Forgive the question but what was the sacrifice that became needed?

Fidel lost power. Raul was an opportunity to regain a level of control to some extent to the leadership of the country. PFLP and Iran were questionable allies without Fidel in place. US hard on for Israel leads us to shore up these opportunities.

[VFR800]

Oh ok,from what I've seen the embargo etc with Cuba by USA has been cause they were idealogically opposed more than anything else.

[Ratwagon1600]

Dafuq???

 

Im ready for the flat earthers and the naysayers to start screaming fake news, however, fuck me ! (statement and not an offer), 18th shooting this year and peeps aren’t getting a little concerned ????????????????

 

And the fucking maggot was on the radar; sheesh!

 

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/mass-shooting-suspect-was-a-known-security-threat-prior-to-horrible-act/news-story/1f844489426810754383e689cffc8d30

[VFR800]

^ 

 

Nah mate,2nd amendment cannot be tampered with in any way cuz.

[paradime]

"outdated biological evolutionary model of human psychology based on assumptions of genetic determinism" I would argue calling "genetic determinism" outdated is somewhat unfair, while it has many very negative historical implications (seriously nasty shit) arguing genes do not have a role in behavior is ridiculous. I ascribe, as I suspect you do to, to the more balanced nature vs. nurture models used wherein genes set a stage that has heavy influence from environment (hence my comment of 2-way interactions). I will also be the first to admit that my views are heavily shaped by my training where directly manipulating genetic material has a very defined outcome, although in a very much reduced system obviously. Also, to be fair my labeling things "bullshit" is hyperbolic and I do tend to use a reductionist approach (per the all science is actually physics thought).

 

But calling the entire field of "evolutionary psychology" a "non-empirical science" without "testable hypothesis" is I feel unfair, especially as this is still a heavily debated topic (Buss et al. 1998; Pinker, 1997b).]. Although, I will agree with you that as a mostly theoretical discipline, it is very contentious and there is probably a lot of garbage involved, confirmation bias, circular reasoning, and "stretching" of theories over likely unrelated or poorly related topics. But even aside from testable hypotheses, good science usually originates with phenomenological observation. I would argue my hypothesis is not purely speculative (anymore then any hypothesis is "speculative" as it IS based on several very defined observations, is it testable though? Not easily that I can think of.

 

TL;DR, humans are messy, most of the theories are likely highly incomplete and hard to test, arguing on the internet is probably a giant waste of time and electrons. 

 

Edit: I seriously need to check this forum more often, these couple page later replies kind of suck in my opinion.

 

I would say you and I have both suffered under the tyranny of academia and the dogma permeating our chosen fields. God forbid I leave the impression I believe biology plays no part in human psychology though. In fact the one thing "most" (and that's saying a lot) research psychologists accept is a bio-psycho-social theoretical model. My only contention is when it comes down to it, without the ability to test evolutionary psychology's hypotheses we're left with the week validity of assumed causal inferences. 

 

I'll be the first to admit my response was bombastic. I just wanted to show I could hold my own as kind of a dissertation defense flashback. 

 

We'd better get back on track arguing politics or RW is going to kick us off his show.

[125 CSL]

Dafuq???

 

Im ready for the flat earthers and the naysayers to start screaming fake news, however, fuck me ! (statement and not an offer), 18th shooting this year and peeps aren’t getting a little concerned ????????????????

 

And the fucking maggot was on the radar; sheesh!

 

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/mass-shooting-suspect-was-a-known-security-threat-prior-to-horrible-act/news-story/1f844489426810754383e689cffc8d30

It has become a problem. The police are under the electron microscope, so better not then to face something that might end very badly. This is from Canada, but it might as well say at least North America.

 

http://canoe.com/news/local-news/to-swerve-and-neglect-ottawa-cop-turned-researcher-finds-decline-in-proactive-policing/wcm/328576bb-5af2-47d5-94c4-4ee9da5dffcb

 

cops avoiding proactive policing

[KELMO]

This is just my opinion but Paradime and D210guy should be banned for throwing around $20.00 words on a $5.00 forum. :thumbup:

[datzenmike]

Police need to change their tactics. Too long they have run wild with their arbitrary enforcement of the law (just being dicks, because they can) now everyone has a camera and they get called to task for their actions. They need to loose the 'us against them' attitudes. It can be done but it takes a lot of work. 

[q-tip]

Again, this is not a guns issue it's a crazy person issue. Fact of the matter is it's far more lucrative to be in the cleaning up the mess business than the preventing the mess business. That is what is truely CUZ, the all might dollar how many people can get their hands on.

 

There was a potential mass shooting prevented here in Washington where the kids grandmother turned him in BEFORE he could do anything, was that a national media firestorm? Nope because prevention doesn't get the ratings.

[VFR800]

Fear and Consumption - keeping Murica (and most of the rest of the world for that matter) in check.

[Ratwagon1600]

 

We'd better get back on track arguing politics or RW is going to kick us off his show.

I’ve said it before, Muricas obsession with guns was what prompted me to create this thread, never realising the behemoth it would become.

 

The fact it kinda morphed into a political discourse was not surprising. The thread certainly appears to have dusted off the philosophical and deeper thinking parts of some Ratsun members brains.

 

Anyway, on that note, it looks like the porn star that the Don was allegedly banging now believes she has the go ahead to reveal her side of the story. This should be amusing.

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-15/stormy-daniels-ready-to-speak-about-alleged-affair-donald-trump/9448968

[VFR800]

Brother RW you have made one of the most impressive contributions to this section of Ratsun.net with this thread.

 

Guns,tits,politicians and critical thinking all on the one thread - bravo Sir Bravo!

[racerx]

yep, very juicy what Stormy Daniels have to say. Kindy of weird how Trumcheeto's lawyer supposedly paid her off with his own money, hmmm...that's a lot of money even for a lawyer.  I mean is he that stupid to pay $130K our of his own pocket, really? 

[VFR800]

yep, very juicy what Stormy Daniels have to say. Kindy of weird how Trumcheeto's lawyer supposedly paid her off with his own money, hmmm...that's a lot of money even for a lawyer.  I mean is he that stupid to pay $130K our of his own pocket, really? 

 

No that'd be fake news cause in some other way he'd have been paid back by Don although. . .  not so sure now that I consider it that Don would pay the lawyer.

[john510]

Dafuq???

 

Im ready for the flat earthers and the naysayers to start screaming fake news, however, fuck me ! (statement and not an offer), 18th shooting this year and peeps aren’t getting a little concerned ????????????????

 

And the fucking maggot was on the radar; sheesh!

 

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/mass-shooting-suspect-was-a-known-security-threat-prior-to-horrible-act/news-story/1f844489426810754383e689cffc8d30

In this day and age the authorities have to watch their step.If they would have arrested or even interrogated this guy the ACLU or some other group would be suing somebody for violating rights.That would have been fine with me,kids might not be dead.

[john510]

yep, very juicy what Stormy Daniels have to say. Kindy of weird how Trumcheeto's lawyer supposedly paid her off with his own money, hmmm...that's a lot of money even for a lawyer.  I mean is he that stupid to pay $130K our of his own pocket, really? 

What did she say that was juicy ? she hasn't talked yet.

[racerx]

John, again looking at finger again, I said what she have to say not what she said..Heller.

[john510]

John, again looking at finger again, I said what she have to say not what she said..Heller.

Try looking at your finger while typing.Go back and read what you wrote.Heller.

[datzenmike]

Just like the gun law controversy, to be completely safe (schools, or where ever) you would have to give up some of your rights. Even if you would, there would be some asshole that wouldn't for you. They have airports screening and everyone is willing to submit for the greater good when flying. Why not have the same at schools? Once cleared you're in a secure place. If you go outside you are screened again to get in. Absolutely no one is allowed in from the street unless student or staff. Are the authorities not mining social media for idiots posting about shooting people or where to get guns? Why not have a monthly metal checkup by the guidance councilor?

 

Teens don't get or realize the consequences of bullying or mental problems in others. Just saying or having zero tolerance for bullying doesn't cut it.

[paradime]

Again, this is not a guns issue it's a crazy person issue. Fact of the matter is it's far more lucrative to be in the cleaning up the mess business than the preventing the mess business. That is what is truely CUZ, the all might dollar how many people can get their hands on.

 

There was a potential mass shooting prevented here in Washington where the kids grandmother turned him in BEFORE he could do anything, was that a national media firestorm? Nope because prevention doesn't get the ratings.

 

By that argument though, it would suggest Merica has 10X as many homicidal crazy people per cap than any European country. You can't gloss over the fact there are an ass load of guns here and our laws regulating their ownership are slim to none in many states. 

 

With great freedom comes great responsibility and lets face it, we have not been responsible in this arena. The gun lobby has politically blocked any attempt to strengthen federal laws we already have and even common sense safety laws like minimum standards for gun storage. I understand the fight to protect the 2nd amendment, but we don't need to shoot ourselves in the foot while doing it. We can strike a more realistic balance moving forward.

 

The time for controlling the number of guns in this country has long passed, they're here in their millions, so what can we do NOW to stem the tide of gun related deaths? For starters, I'm behind any law that promotes greater individual and social responsibility in gun ownership. I'm sure that threatens some, but if the NRA's only solution is for everyone to pack, not only will it fail to keep us safe from each other, it exposes what I see as a deeply flawed yet highly lucrative tunnel vision mindset of all or nothing. Zero balance.