airedout Posted June 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 are you gonna shorten the bed when you do the crew cab? The bed will more than likely stay standard length. If i do anything to it, i would lengthen it. Quote Link to comment
airedout Posted December 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Well its been a while, havent really touched the truck in a minute. Since ive finished the shop ive been building a 70's camaro for a customer, while working full time at the collision shop i work at, so i havent had a whole lot of time. Ive decided against the crew cab deal, i really just want to get it done sometime the the next 30 years :D . Im going to work on it this weekend some, probably gonna go ahead and shave the drip rails off, ive been debating it for a while, but i figure once i cut them off, i cant go back. Im also thinking about reworking the rear suspenion setup with a canitlever setup, not quite sure yet. Also, the datto was in minitruckin magazine. I believe it was Jan 09, in the spring fling show coverage. I been helping my buddy a little with his build here and there. Pretty wild build, fontier on 22's and 24's. Ill post some pics for your enjoyment. this is the truck about 1 month after being purchased, if any of you know anything about frontiers you may be able to point out the subtle but intracate body work. Front frame section is narrowed 2 inches and z'd 2 inches, built to ride low About the same size as the 22's begining of the cantilever Ill get some pics of my pile up after the weekend. Quote Link to comment
mike Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Not just sick... Thats fucking sick!!!! Seriously I just about stuck my nose in my monitor to get a better look. Ive got a question though and seriously dont mean to offend, that is some awesome work and innovative to boot. Ive never built/helped/or even been interested in building a bagged lowrider but Ive messed around with quite a few 4x4s and although geometry is changed many of the same stress points apply. Question is; on the rear "rocker" deal youve got some serious beef going on there but the pivot point on the arm itself and where it mounts to the frame looks like it may be a fail point. By design that is the point receiving the most stress on the whole rear assembly, it is essentially carrying the weight of half the truck on those two points and the cantilever compounds that even more. Add to that the stresses applied while driving and cornering and... On the arm itself maybe wrap a piece of metal under the pivot eye, and on the frame/bag mount/pivot mount think BEEFY. Looking at the rest of it if you do this it ill probably end up a damn work of art. Also maybe moving the pivot point directly over the frame rails so that it is solely supported by the frame instead of outboard may alleviate some of the torsional stress on the frame rails that is going on. I seriously mean no offense and dont want to rain on your parade and Im not an engineer, it may be more than strong enough as is but I cant help but think how something is going to act with 250 pounds of tire on each corner with 5000 pounds of truck attached is going to react during a "sudden traction" moment with the skinny pedal to the floor... Its just me:lol: Keep up with the pics and progress too Im seriously digging everything about this thing except that its not going under a 521KC. Quote Link to comment
airedout Posted December 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Not just sick... Thats fucking sick!!!! Seriously I just about stuck my nose in my monitor to get a better look. Ive got a question though and seriously dont mean to offend, that is some awesome work and innovative to boot. Ive never built/helped/or even been interested in building a bagged lowrider but Ive messed around with quite a few 4x4s and although geometry is changed many of the same stress points apply. Question is; on the rear "rocker" deal youve got some serious beef going on there but the pivot point on the arm itself and where it mounts to the frame looks like it may be a fail point. By design that is the point receiving the most stress on the whole rear assembly, it is essentially carrying the weight of half the truck on those two points and the cantilever compounds that even more. Add to that the stresses applied while driving and cornering and... On the arm itself maybe wrap a piece of metal under the pivot eye, and on the frame/bag mount/pivot mount think BEEFY. Looking at the rest of it if you do this it ill probably end up a damn work of art. Also maybe moving the pivot point directly over the frame rails so that it is solely supported by the frame instead of outboard may alleviate some of the torsional stress on the frame rails that is going on. I seriously mean no offense and dont want to rain on your parade and Im not an engineer, it may be more than strong enough as is but I cant help but think how something is going to act with 250 pounds of tire on each corner with 5000 pounds of truck attached is going to react during a "sudden traction" moment with the skinny pedal to the floor... Its just me:lol: Keep up with the pics and progress too Im seriously digging everything about this thing except that its not going under a 521KC. Thanks for the compliments! The ratio on the bellcranks is only a slight bit over 1:1.3, so yes you are correct about the forces acting on it. At the air bag you are appling roughly 1.5x the vehicles rear weight at any given time. For one, the center piviot point is not finished yet. It will be internally gusseted with 3/8 plate and the boxed with 1/4 plate. The frame is 3/16 and the bag mounts and gussests are 1/4 plate. Ive done quite a few setups with a more conventional bag on bar style with a leverage ratio of more than 1:1.5 with less structure. I can deff see your point if we were talking about something that with something that would be going off road. extreme articulation is hell on mounting points, while conventional driving is not so bad. The joints in the the 4 link are superpivots (johny joints) and flex quite well, which takes a great deal of stress off the 4 link mounting points. And with the wheel and tire clearance running 22's and 24's, it wont be hitting sides at all Il make sure to post some more pics as he gets a little further. Quote Link to comment
mklotz70 Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 ....uuummmm.......HOLY CRAP!!!!! ....is that appropriate???? .....if not......HOLY CRAP!!!!! ....thanks for the pics :) Awesome! Quote Link to comment
]2eDeYe Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Nice work man, bet that took a few hours :cool: Quote Link to comment
CharlieBucket Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 that frontier came from atlanta right? i have seen that guy tear it down 2-3 times to do all the body work. nice work, can't wait to see you do it to the datto! Quote Link to comment
airedout Posted December 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 that frontier came from atlanta right? i have seen that guy tear it down 2-3 times to do all the body work. nice work, can't wait to see you do it to the datto! Yeah, hes actually up in lawrencville. I worked with him at a shop over by stone mountain. Worst job i ever had. Now we are both working over by gwinnett place mall. Quote Link to comment
Pacific coast Datsun Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Awesome design & fab work Dwight. Question...when the bag is pushing on a cantilever like you designed does it require more air pressure to get lift compared to a bag over axle setup? Quote Link to comment
kjz71521 Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 what did you get the right hand conversion from ? I have a 71 521 and that shit looks sic. I would like to do somthing like that. Could you contact me at (kjs71521@yahoo.com) and let me know whats up !! Thankz. Quote Link to comment
airedout Posted December 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 what did you get the right hand conversion from ? I have a 71 521 and that shit looks sic. I would like to do somthing like that. Could you contact me at (kjs71521@yahoo.com) and let me know whats up !! Thankz. Right hand conversion???? No idea where you got that idea from.......... :confused: Quote Link to comment
Llittle_Llama Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 what did you get the right hand conversion from ? I have a 71 521 and that shit looks sic. I would like to do somthing like that. Could you contact me at (kjs71521@yahoo.com) and let me know whats up !! Thankz. read the whole thread then edit your question accordingly....tard Quote Link to comment
Guest DatsuNoob Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 read the whole thread then edit your question accordingly....tard FAG! http://img208.imageshack.us/img208 Quote Link to comment
Llittle_Llama Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 awww, i didnt get the second one. what happened? since he asked, are there any RHD trucks on this forum? Quote Link to comment
slodat Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 awww, i didnt get the second one. what happened? since he asked, are there any RHD trucks on this forum? He said "shut the fuck up" only it was an image. He makes a good point. Quote Link to comment
Llittle_Llama Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 no no, i got that one, but there is another below it. i think it might be time for another week away from ratsun for me to settle down..... when was the last time i did that? Quote Link to comment
510er Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 These projects are bad ass! nice work man keep it up! Quote Link to comment
exceedinglimits Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 hey whats up? first of all wanted to say ur trucks looking good! i picked up a 71' that im tring to bagg but its alil different that im used to (s10) and was wondering how to set it up? what type of mounts did u use etc??? any info on this would be greattly appreciated!! also was wondering if u will be attending the BGN???? Quote Link to comment
airedout Posted March 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 As of right now, im looking to sell for my datsun 521 the whole frame, suspension, and rear axle. Im going a diff route with the frame and suspension and wont be needing this setup anymore. It lays true rail front to rear on a 215/35/18 and im sure it will lay a 225/35/18, and can easily be converted away from the shock wave setup. Noy really sure whwat its worth, but im open to offers. Quote Link to comment
hacked521 Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 so what do you have in mind for this new setup?:D Quote Link to comment
airedout Posted April 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Its going to start with a norrowed hardbody clip with a ka24e, and from there back will be all custom. No sharp edges only curves. Canti setup with the shockwaves in the back. Quote Link to comment
mklotz70 Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 I hate to see you lose all that great work you did to the original frame......but if it means we're going to get similar pics of the new build..........AWESOME!!! :) Can't wait!! Quote Link to comment
airedout Posted April 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Theres a actually a very good possiblity this frame will me going under my dads 521, he just need to decide. Quote Link to comment
Madness Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 i may have missed it but what does your steering look like? I'm trying to get my frame on the ground with the stock suspension and 185/60/14's but I found out that the ball joints on the tie rod don't flex that much. What was your solution? Quote Link to comment
airedout Posted April 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 (edited) i may have missed it but what does your steering look like? I'm trying to get my frame on the ground with the stock suspension and 185/60/14's but I found out that the ball joints on the tie rod don't flex that much. What was your solution? you will need to notch the frame for the tie rods to clear note the notch forward of the engine crossmember Edited April 2, 2009 by airedout Quote Link to comment
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