john510 Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 He'd be against CU except the ruling helps fund candidates like Trump. And obviously, the candidate that big money interests supports is for the people.... Just kidding KO, you likely are against CU but just don't want to agree with Paradime. Who funded Trump's campaign ? I thought he funded himself.The CU ruling wouldn't help him much.Nobody corporate will send him anything. 2 Link to comment
tr8er Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Who funded Trump's campaign ? I thought he funded himself.The CU ruling wouldn't help him much.Nobody corporate will send him anything. Mostly a bad troll, but he did have super PACS. So I mostly agree, but it did help him. How else was Russia going to funnel money into his campaign? Link to comment
racerx Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 No, he did not fund himself, he got help from people, pacs, corporations. He did fund most of it though. 1 Link to comment
john510 Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Trump's campaign funding 66.2% his own money,25.3% individual donors less than $2,700,8,4% larger contributions from corporations.Only one of those gave a significant amount.Nothing from Russia tr8er,why do you still think that ? Super PACS weren't too interested in giving him anything.The others got it.Politifact and others are the source for this.Maybe fake news ? 2 Link to comment
240zness Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 I see both sides as dark , faint glimmer on the right of what is left of what was an idea, how I see it. Take a fresh look whenever I can.. Things like Harry Reid spending 20% of his 30yr career talking shit about Koch on the floor of Congress, makes them good. Then came trump 1 Link to comment
240zness Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Soros just a major part of what is literally a demonic souless people farming organisation!! don't fuck with me on this :) Link to comment
240zness Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Id like to debate.. is there one real thing any 'left' whatever they 'stand for', hang there hat on? Equality, Human Rights ? That really is a joke now days .. Americans for tax reform ?? On the Right Forget the Koch's they probably are evil, but I've seen him talk he gives real answers. So does soros , knowbody listens to plan he lays out in hinting double talk. It's 'we own you' Koch sells you shit soros tells you what you want Any other examples necessary? Link to comment
datzenmike Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Totally bizarre how one's opinion of Soros or Koch depends on one's political views. It's a shocking revilation!! I've shown you guys all kinds of stuff as clearly and balanced as I can, and it's always met with "Fake News", "Bias Reference", "Liberals Are The Problem". Even on something as clear cut BAD across the board as the Citizens United decision. There is no debating anything with you guys, only automatic defensive unsubstantiated tag lines. No point talking to you fellows because I know the answer before I ask the question. I'm not trying to convert you to what you see as the dark side, I'm presenting the idea that both sides have merit. I don't follow the lockstep speaking points of a neocon conservative therefore you see me as liberal. Fucking pointless. Our political viewpoint is conferred on us at the moment of conception, it's random and like our skin color, it's impossible for others to convince us to change it, even if we could. Yet, here we are..... making grand accusations about something that it would take ten lifetimes of unbiased research to draw any conclusion that it's maybe true. Does G Soros dabble in the markets and politics. Of fucking course he does. So would you! If you were a millionaire you would do only things that increase your holdings. You aren't, so you all think like a poor person. He spends his coin where he will get the best return for it. It may conflict with the poor people thinking but that's to be expected. Trump is and has done about the same thing. Businesses do it, why not? it make good financial sense. If it makes you all feel better good ol' George is 87 and won't be around much longer. You better start working on his successor now. 1 Link to comment
240zness Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 ^ all that is what soros types have convinced people of It's more than dabbling , rich people all get involved in small ways. It's the steering of events and the plans for outcomes , always betting big. Buffet , soros , Koch , Now bezos , musk , zuck It may be possible to use that ten lifetime knowledge that has inspired people in the past to know truth when they see it over 1 Link to comment
paradime Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Our political viewpoint is conferred on us at the moment of conception, it's random and like our skin color, it's impossible for others to convince us to change it, even if we could. Yet, here we are..... making grand accusations about something that it would take ten lifetimes of unbiased research to draw any conclusion that it's maybe true. Does G Soros dabble in the markets and politics. Of fucking course he does. So would you! If you were a millionaire you would do only things that increase your holdings. You aren't, so you all think like a poor person. He spends his coin where he will get the best return for it. It may conflict with the poor people thinking but that's to be expected. Trump is and has done about the same thing. Businesses do it, why not? it make good financial sense. If it makes you all feel better good ol' George is 87 and won't be around much longer. You better start working on his successor now. Switch that name to Koch and you make the same argument for the other side. Step back, look at this cluster fuck gridlock we are in and you see the futile nature of this blaming the other side bull shit. When are politicians and their polarized subjects going to take responsibility for their own shit? When I point that out, I'm labeled a liberal by Cons, and a conservative by Libs. Pathetic. It's always the other guys fault. And so here we are. Link to comment
a.d._510_n_ok Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Trump is and has done about the same thing. Businesses do it, why not? it make good financial sense. If it makes you all feel better good ol' George is 87 and won't be around much longer. yeah, Trump would be in jail for some of the same stunts Soros pulled. Famed For Breaking The British Pound, Billionaire George Soros Returns As A Brexit Bear https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoinegara/2016/06/09/george-soros-bear-china-brexit-eu-trump/#3bbf03c4443b Israel backs Hungary, says financier Soros is a threat http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-hungary-soros-idUSKBN19V1J4 Hungary's Leader: EU and Soros Seek to 'Muslimize' Europe https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2017-07-22/hungarys-leader-border-fences-will-stop-muslim-migration 2 Link to comment
125 CSL Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Totally bizarre how one's opinion of Soros or Koch depends on one's political views. It's a shocking revilation!! I've shown you guys all kinds of stuff as clearly and balanced as I can, and it's always met with "Fake News", "Bias Reference", "Liberals Are The Problem". Even on something as clear cut BAD across the board as the Citizens United decision. There is no debating anything with you guys, only automatic defensive unsubstantiated tag lines. No point talking to you fellows because I know the answer before I ask the question. I'm not trying to convert you to what you see as the dark side, I'm presenting the idea that both sides have merit. I don't follow the lockstep speaking points of a neocon conservative therefore you see me as liberal. Fucking pointless. Not buying it. Not at all. you bring up this both sides are crap but where the rubber hits the road,.....not even close. Oh and your links on CU, how brilliant. You could not have picked better ones to show just how much the court decision was needed. If you have so hard a time with CU, make your own pac and get it funded. One of the things about it anyone, anyone can do it. Heck you can even use your pac to attack the idea of people being able to have one. The court gave you the right. 1 Link to comment
john510 Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Our political viewpoint is conferred on us at the moment of conception, it's random and like our skin color, it's impossible for others to convince us to change it, even if we could. Yet, here we are..... making grand accusations about something that it would take ten lifetimes of unbiased research to draw any conclusion that it's maybe true. Does G Soros dabble in the markets and politics. Of fucking course he does. So would you! If you were a millionaire you would do only things that increase your holdings. You aren't, so you all think like a poor person. He spends his coin where he will get the best return for it. It may conflict with the poor people thinking but that's to be expected. Trump is and has done about the same thing. Businesses do it, why not? it make good financial sense. If it makes you all feel better good ol' George is 87 and won't be around much longer. You better start working on his successor now. I'm not too sure our political viewpoint is conferred on us at the moment of conception.Its most likely much later in life. Link to comment
paradime Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Trump's campaign funding 66.2% his own money,25.3% individual donors less than $2,700,8,4% larger contributions from corporations.Only one of those gave a significant amount.Nothing from Russia tr8er,why do you still think that ? Super PACS weren't too interested in giving him anything.The others got it.Politifact and others are the source for this.Maybe fake news ? This is the super pac money you don't see in those numbers. Thanks to CU you don't see the corporations and unions who contribute $billions to these establishment "free speech" mega funds. If anyone wants to believe there is no campaign finance quid pro quo going on in Washington they're entitled to that opinion. Bernie Sanders is the only major candidate not on this list because didn't accept Super Pac $ in 2016. Early on Trump held the same position as Bernie. It was his integrity he sold when he accepted that money. Top of the list is Hillary, so no CU does NOT favor Conservatives, or even any playing fields. https://sunlightfoundation.com/2016/06/21/following-the-money-behind-the-nearly-500-million-2016-democratic-primary/ In fact CU does nothing but remove the the game and even the names of players from our sight. Donald Trump Embraced Super PACs He Once Decried as Dirty Establishment Money. http://time.com/4373124/donald-trump-donors-super-pacs/ (Group) (Candidate) (Spent) (Raised) Priorities USA Action supports Clinton $133,407,972 Liberal $192,065,767 Right to Rise USA supports Bush $86,817,138 Conservative $121,695,224 Senate Leadership Fund $85,994,270 Conservative $116,911,967 Senate Majority PAC $75,413,426 Liberal $92,821,080 Conservative Solutions PAC supports Rubio $55,443,483 Conservative $60,564,219 House Majority PAC $47,470,121 Liberal $55,872,071 Congressional Leadership Fund $40,125,691 Conservative $51,053,019 Women Vote! $33,167,285 Liberal $36,685,866 Freedom Partners Action Fund $29,728,798 Conservative $28,201,407 Granite State Solutions opposes Hassan $24,267,135 Conservative $24,470,200 Future45 supports Trump $24,264,009 Conservative $24,996,520 Rebuilding America Now supports Trump $21,194,739 Conservative $22,610,716 Club for Growth Action $19,181,962 Conservative $19,936,801 America Leads supports Christie $18,578,852 Conservative $20,315,624 Our Principles PAC opposes Trump $18,327,047 Conservative $19,024,903 League of Conservation Voters $15,692,929 Liberal $19,649,152 Ending Spending Action Fund $14,849,162 Conservative $16,377,370 United We Can $13,734,163 Liberal $23,603,422 Make America Number 1 supports Trump $13,454,894 Conservative $20,735,129 Independence USA PAC $13,404,257 Liberal $21,649,746 NextGen California Action $13,130,014 Liberal $13,232,627 Planned Parenthood Votes $12,619,812 Liberal $22,266,898 New Day For America supports Kasich $11,189,297 Conservative $15,596,476 National Assn of Realtors $10,225,968 $12,077,735 Leading Illinois for Tomorrow opposes Trump $9,922,027 Liberal $10,436,750 NextGen Climate Action $9,784,721 Liberal $93,010,236 For Our Future $9,689,539 Liberal $48,890,547 Stand For Truth supports Cruz $9,523,814 Conservative $11,289,938 Fighting for Ohio Fund supports Portman $9,256,429 Conservative $9,874,220 Reform America Fund $7,270,202 Conservative $9,028,596 2016 Cmte supports Carson $6,167,054 Conservative $15,020,143 Immigrant Voters Win $5,877,037 Liberal $10,624,426 New American Jobs Fund $5,745,885 Liberal $5,805,000 RGA Right Direction opposes Clinton $5,426,468 Conservative $22,781,720 National Nurses United $4,979,225 Liberal $8,110,981 Trusted Leadership PAC supports Cruz $4,881,844 Conservative $8,433,319 NEA Advocacy Fund $4,809,168 Liberal $18,217,431 New Day Independent Media Cmte supports Kasich $4,512,258 Conservative $2,380,813 Florida First Project supports Rubio $4,268,859 Conservative $4,816,852 Arizona Grassroots Action supports McCain $4,264,741 Conservative $5,564,421 Security is Strength $3,845,349 Conservative $4,662,583 Carly for America Cmte supports Fiorina $3,837,155 Conservative $14,339,490 Prosperity for Pennsylvania supports Toomey $3,654,781 Conservative $3,870,000 Pursuing America's Greatness $3,517,714 Conservative $4,992,303 Save America From Its Government supports Trump $3,415,286 Conservative $3,623,796 Maryland USA supports Hoeber $3,193,890 Conservative $3,808,709 ClearPath Action $3,051,587 Conservative $4,400,000 Black PAC $2,979,999 Liberal $3,713,763 Defending Main Street $2,765,393 Conservative $2,845,646 Purple PAC $2,738,137 Conservative $3,040,000 Believe Again supports Jindal $2,634,870 Conservative $4,472,589 John Bolton Super PAC $2,577,384 Conservative $5,521,756 Fair Share Action $2,541,465 Liberal $4,321,798 Floridians for a Strong Middle Class supports Murphy $2,461,655 Liberal $3,980,200 American Unity PAC $2,431,134 Conservative $4,962,678 Keep the Promise III supports Cruz $2,273,763 Conservative $17,245,944 Unintimidated PAC supports Walker $2,249,018 Conservative $24,127,172 Restoration PAC $2,222,512 Conservative $4,060,949 Independent Voice for Illinois supports Kirk $1,956,525 Conservative $2,587,850 America's Liberty PAC $1,907,306 Conservative $5,197,463 Opportunity & Freedom PAC supports Perry $1,859,326 Conservative $4,120,014 Working for Us PAC $1,668,982 Liberal $1,735,000 Americas PAC $1,595,966 Conservative $1,950,700 Local Voices supports Clinton $1,412,852 Liberal $1,673,486 Accountable Leadership supports Sestak $1,389,634 Liberal $1,457,986 El Super PAC Voto Latino opposes Trump $1,383,669 Liberal $1,434,000 Tea Party Patriots Citizens Fund $1,371,544 Conservative $4,330,867 Let America Work supports Johnson $1,310,506 Conservative $2,265,701 Keep the Promise PAC supports Cruz $1,289,389 Conservative $5,188,867 Indiana Jobs Now supports Hollingsworth $1,265,519 Conservative $1,456,419 Grow NC Strong supports Burr $1,258,880 Conservative $1,477,320 Standing Up For California's Middle Class Harris $1,227,312 Liberal $1,437,500 Future in America supports Trump $1,213,648 Conservative $1,290,576 National Horizon $1,130,053 Conservative $1,200,000 Alternativepac supports Johnson $1,117,028 $1,386,970 Women Speak Out PAC $1,087,512 Conservative $1,907,613 Citizen SuperPAC $1,010,702 Conservative $2,481,188 Citizens United Super PAC opposes Clinton $975,184 Conservative $1,142,857 New York Wins supports Faso $924,393 Conservative $1,150,000 Working America Coalition $914,228 Liberal $16,237,082 R4C16 supports Clinton $913,617 Liberal $1,120,555 Fifty Second Street Fund opposes Trump $867,260 Liberal $976,000 Senate Conservatives Action $865,987 Conservative $2,541,741 People for Pinellas supports Jolly $799,413 Conservative $1,157,000 New Leadership for Ohio supports Sittenfeld $788,104 Liberal $1,016,001 Kentuckians for Strong Leadership opposes Clinton $768,561 Conservative $2,453,160 KelliPAC supports Ward $761,323 Conservative $768,328 Warrior PAC $749,880 Conservative $792,700 Environment America Action Fund $748,092 Liberal $6,305,335 Forward For A Better Future supports Clinton $705,352 Liberal $1,074,315 New Prosperity Foundation $702,903 Conservative $687,103 Heartland Resurgence $700,450 Conservative $1,641,059 Conservative Congress Now! supports Negron $678,271 Conservative $743,500 Cooperative of American Physicians $665,459 Conservative $2,010,507 Human Rights Campaign Equality Votes $653,135 Liberal $2,487,659 Defend Louisiana supports Campbell $647,117 Liberal $842,619 Hard Hats for America supports Clinton $642,886 Liberal $1,015,000 Patriot Majority $638,810 Liberal $820,055 Maryland's Progress supports Van Hollen $620,582 Liberal $752,757 Grow the Economy supports Phillips $606,853 Conservative $695,000 Communications Workers of America $597,333 Liberal $4,142,292 Californians for Fiscal Responsibility supports Sundheim $595,301 Conservative $614,375 Right Way SuperPAC $583,494 Conservative $671,000 North Florida Neighbors $561,835 Conservative $784,729 National Right to Life Victory Fund $555,952 Conservative $1,218,753 American Opportunity PAC supports Rubio $524,620 Conservative $550,000 Silver State PAC supports Heck $518,000 Conservative $618,750 NCLR Action supports Clinton $486,958 Liberal $623,440 America Together opposes Trump $486,190 Liberal $577,000 FreedomWorks for America $460,596 Conservative $808,036 Californians for Innovation supports Khanna $448,150 Liberal $506,381 Jews for Progress supports Clinton $425,764 Liberal $475,003 Campaign for American Principles $402,630 Conservative $987,778 Working Families Party $386,896 Liberal $484,215 Good Jobs & Strong Communities PAC $383,632 Liberal $863,129 Committee for Working Families $373,580 Liberal $516,642 Generation Forward supports O'Malley $368,412 Liberal $831,165 Center Forward $349,962 Liberal $500,125 Kentucky Moving Forward supports Gray $347,895 Liberal $423,800 Make DC Listen $342,781 Conservative $1,387,318 Operating Engineers Union $342,156 Liberal $2,391,985 Link to comment
datzenmike Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 ^ all that is what soros types have convinced people of It's more than dabbling , rich people all get involved in small ways. It's the steering of events and the plans for outcomes , always betting big. Buffet , soros , Koch , Now bezos , musk , zuck It may be possible to use that ten lifetime knowledge that has inspired people in the past to know truth when they see it over What do you mean? They convinced us that they dabble, adjust to their own benefit, get the best deal for themselves, take advantage of an opportunity? and fuck everyone else??? Well how ingenious to trick people into believing what they do is.... what they do. If anyone dislikes Soros then they simply got taken advantage of by him and are sour grapes. It's the way the world works. Poor people always think that if they were billionaires they would do things differently. Well, they wouldn't be billionaires for long. Big fish eat little fish and Soros (while a fairly large fish) is given way too much credit for things. I'm not too sure our political viewpoint is conferred on us at the moment of conception.Its most likely much later in life. Well if it isn't genetic then it's absorbed with the breast milk? So nurture not nature? If both your parents are white supremacists then you will also carry the dominant KKK gene. Link to comment
paradime Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 I'm not too sure our political viewpoint is conferred on us at the moment of conception.Its most likely much later in life. This is actually an interesting debate. Mikes point is bio-determinism, that we are genetically predisposed to be conservative or liberal. To be honest, there is a lot of data to support this, but most of it stems from eugenics. Today there is broader acceptance of a phenomenological Bio-Psych-Social model of stable traits like personality, and political persuasion. Nothing in this field of study is provable though. 1 Link to comment
240zness Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Right guys Convinced us though, Mike ,that we 'have to make choices and that's "all there is too it." This is how things are , some data, they just don't need to prove it Like I said, all that 1 Link to comment
paradime Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Not buying it. Not at all. you bring up this both sides are crap but where the rubber hits the road,.....not even close. Oh and your links on CU, how brilliant. You could not have picked better ones to show just how much the court decision was needed. If you have so hard a time with CU, make your own pac and get it funded. One of the things about it anyone, anyone can do it. Heck you can even use your pac to attack the idea of people being able to have one. The court gave you the right. Hey, young man..... you got knock the fuck out! Oh Okay Please explain this. Link to comment
angliagt Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 I'm so sick of the names those political groups use, such as "Californians For Common Sense". Wouldn't it be nice if they had to have a name that told what their objective really is? 2 Link to comment
paradime Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 I'm so sick of the names those political groups use, such as "Californians For Common Sense". Wouldn't it be nice if they had to have a name that told what their objective really is? Oxymoron "Californians For Common Sense" Top of that dishonest name list would be "Citizens United" though. 2 Link to comment
john510 Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 What do you mean? They convinced us that they dabble, adjust to their own benefit, get the best deal for themselves, take advantage of an opportunity? and fuck everyone else??? Well how ingenious to trick people into believing what they do is.... what they do. If anyone dislikes Soros then they simply got taken advantage of by him and are sour grapes. It's the way the world works. Poor people always think that if they were billionaires they would do things differently. Well, they wouldn't be billionaires for long. Big fish eat little fish and Soros (while a fairly large fish) is given way too much credit for things. Well if it isn't genetic then it's absorbed with the breast milk? So nurture not nature? If both your parents are white supremacists then you will also carry the dominant KKK gene. There's a KKK gene ? well fuck me.Both of my parents are/were hard core Liberals.I should take a DNA test to see if they're really my parents. 2 Link to comment
paradime Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Ironic: didn't see Californians For Common Sense on the list so I just did some research. This name stems from a conservative group fighting a smoking ban in San Francisco back in 1978. http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1978/08/13/page/42/article/proposition-5-burning-issue-for-californians Link to comment
KoHeartsGPA Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Jeezus....guys....how much more evidence after what all of us have been posting from both sides do you need to realize we lost our country to the establishment elites, all of them are against the very core and foundation of our constitution, from big businesses (koch) to foreign agitators (Soros) are in it for themselves, they feed of each side to push their one world agenda, it is that simple, if you don't see it by now.....I cannot help you no more, it is evident we the people is just another catchy slogan. 1 Link to comment
paradime Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Jeezus....guys....how much more evidence after what all of us have been posting from both sides do you need to realize we lost our country to the establishment elites, all of them are against the very core and foundation of our constitution, from big businesses (koch) to foreign agitators (Soros) are in it for themselves, they feed of each side to push their one world agenda, it is that simple, if you don't see it by now.....I cannot help you no more, it is evident we the people is just another catchy slogan. Jesus...KO.... how much more evidence do you need to realize Trump is not in it for we the people? 1 Link to comment
KoHeartsGPA Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Jesus...KO.... how much more evidence do you need to realize Trump is not in it for we the people? His actions, it's only been 7 months.....TPP and Paris Accord are gone, NAFTA is next and the reason the push back are ramping up, executive order to abolish 2 old regulations for every new one implemented, That's just a few things he's done and it gives me hope, maybe you're right about him, but so far he's doing things that point towards what he promised, if you didn't hate him so much and wasn't so far left, you'd see something other than hatred. Oh and did I mention his own party is against him?, Ya of course you'll write that off with some bullshit. 4 Link to comment
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