Covid-19 Prepared?

[BrothersGarage]

5 hours ago, john510 said:

So Trump supporters don't wear masks because he doesn't ? Somebody's been infected with the mediavirus.

I mean.....to quote the President of the United States of America

"Trump says he thinks some Americans are wearing masks to show they disapprove of him and not as a preventive measure during the pandemic"

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-americans-wearing-masks-show-disapproval-not-as-preventive-measure-2020-6

https://mashable.com/video/stephen-colbert-mocks-donald-trump-face-masks/

[datzenmike]

23 minutes ago, Dav said:

If seat belts work, why airbags?

 

If airbags work, why seatbelts?

 

If seatbelts and airbags both work, why do we have any car accident deaths?

 

I say it is a conspiracy conspired by the ultimate liberal conspirator from the 60s and the stealer of all American freedoms since that time, including his co-conspirator from the 70s, our own leader who gave us the 55 mph speed limit, a man from Georgia.  The main conspirator was non other than Ralph Nader!

 

Seat belts don't 'work' 100% of the time. Neither do air bags. Makes sense to use both to increase your odds if in an accident.

 

Not true. The 55 speed limit in '74 was to conserve gas during the oil crisis started in '73. I was there.

 

Nader is not from Georgia and he did far more good than bad. Cars are much more safer today. Car makers made unbelievably unsafe cars back then

[BrothersGarage]

On 7/6/2020 at 6:16 PM, Dguy210 said:

 

1. CDC has outright stated the death rate is ~0.3%. A fatality rate of 0.26% was the flu fatality rate for a bad flu year, for example 2017-2018.

2. Dividing positive tests by deaths to get a rate is inherently flawed as it ignores asymptomatic cases or people who didn't get tested as the symptoms were mild. Going back to what we saw earlier with antibody testing that could be undercounting by a factor greater than 10.

 

 

 

Relevant part for #1

For the first time, the CDC has attempted to offer a real estimate of the overall death rate for COVID-19, and under its most likely scenario, the number is 0.26%. Officials estimate a 0.4% fatality rate among those who are symptomatic and project a 35% rate of asymptomatic cases among those infected, which drops the overall infection fatality rate (IFR) to just 0.26% — almost exactly where Stanford researchers pegged it a month ago.

 

Sources for #1 from a variety of biases confirming this number

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/05/fact-check-cdc-estimates-covid-19-death-rate-0-26/5269331002/

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/22/health/cdc-coronavirus-estimates-symptoms-deaths/index.html

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/27/cdc-suggests-coronavirus-fatality-rate-higher-than-flus-but-at-least-8x-lower-than-initial-estimates/

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0320_article

 

 

 

Link 1. But experts say the overall death toll has more likely been an undercount due to some people who have died without receiving a test or falsely testing negative for the disease.
Link 2: The CDC also says its "best estimate" is that 0.4% of people who show symptoms and have Covid-19 will die, and the agency estimates that 40% of coronavirus transmission is occurring before people feel sick (that doesn't mean that you won't go to the hospital, or have to deal with the long standing heart probs/ lung probs / kideney probs that come wit hit afterwards. Happy ro provide tons of links on these if intrested)
Link 3. Breibart LOL no. That is a fuckin terrible source for anything 'unbiased"
Link 3. Talks about world wide infection rate which is around .3 to 3% - which isn't the US and how poorly we've handled it, which is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR worse than even 3rd world countries. 

 

"Based on death certificate data, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia, influenza or COVID-19 (PIC) decreased from 9.0% during week 25 to 5.9% during week 26, representing the tenth week of a declining percentage of deaths due to PIC. The percentage is currently at the epidemic threshold but will likely change as more death certificates are processed, particularly for recent weeks.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

[BrothersGarage]

5 hours ago, Mattndew76 said:

 

 

 

 

[BrothersGarage]

4 hours ago, Mattndew76 said:

The narrative was the illegal use of the USA foreign intelligence agencies, and along with the FBI set to spying on a political campaign. 

 

Several high standing politicians were outwardly claiming to know that this "Collusion" was real and they had material facts to support it.. When in actual fact and under oath they had a totally different story. There was NO Russian collusion... There was an actual political hit job put in place by the former administration. 

 

You've been had Mike.

Dude...what Russia Hoax? Did you EVEN read the Muller report? How could it be a hoax if 34 people, 3 companies, including HACKERS were conviced?
https://time.com/5556331/mueller-investigation-indictments-guilty-pleas/

You understand that "collusion" isn't something that can have legal charges laid upon someone, nor was that the scope of the Muller report, right?
 

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Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s final report focuses only on whether crimes were committed. It addresses two Russian conspiracies to interfere in the 2016 election—one involving a social media influence campaign and the other involving the hacking and dissemination of stolen emails. The Report then addresses whether Trump Campaign associates knowingly entered an agreement with the Russian government to assist those conspiracies.

Although the Mueller Report does not squarely address these questions of “collusion” that fall outside the scope of potential criminal liability, it can be mined for substantive information that provides some meaningful answers.

https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/guide-to-the-mueller-reports-findings-on-collusion/

 

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Democratic National Committee (2016)

In June 2016, Cozy Bear was implicated alongside the hacker group Fancy Bear in the Democratic National Committee cyber attacks.^[2] While the two groups were both present in the Democratic National Committee's servers at the same time, they appeared to be unaware of the other, each independently stealing the same passwords and otherwise duplicating their efforts.^[14] A CrowdStrike forensic team determined that while Cozy Bear had been on the DNC's network for over a year, Fancy Bear had only been there a few weeks.^[15] Cozy Bear's more sophisticated tradecraft and interest in traditional long-term espionage suggest that the group originates from a separate Russian intelligence agency.^[14]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cozy_Bear
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fancy_Bear
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/us/politics/russia-hack-election-dnc.html
http://archive.md/Y8jIG

 

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There was an actual political hit job put in place by the former administration. 

So Obama warns trump of Flynn and his connections with Russia, Trump ignores him and hired Flynn anyway, then Trump bitches and moans that it was a polital hit job because the invesitgation on Flynn cathces Trump doing stupid shit too. Then Trump gets Barr to let Flynn off for LYING TO THE FBI AND ADMITTING TO IT. lol ok dude.

"Former President Barack Obama warned then-President-elect Donald Trump about Michael Flynn during their Oval Office meeting two days after the election, current and former administration officials confirmed."

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/08/obama-warn-trump-michael-flynn-238116


Side note: Question - EVEN IF YOU BELIEVE THIS SHIT, Why hasn't the President put sanctions in place against Russia for the CLEAR MEDDLING in the 2016 elections? 
 

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"Russia if you're listening"

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/reviewing-trumps-call-russian-hacking-after-mueller/585838/

It's common place for our President to reach out to foreign powers to interfere with US politics - ANOTHER EXAMPLE:

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“China should start an investigation into the Bidens, because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with Ukraine,”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/03/us/politics/trump-china-bidens.html
http://archive.md/HdZQf
 

Edited July 9, 2020 by BrothersGarage

[Mattndew76]

2 hours ago, BrothersGarage said:

Dude...what Russia Hoax? Did you EVEN read the Muller report? How could it be a hoax if 34 people, 3 companies, including HACKERS were conviced?
https://time.com/5556331/mueller-investigation-indictments-guilty-pleas/

You understand that "collusion" isn't something that can have legal charges laid upon someone, nor was that the scope of the Muller report, right?
 

https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/guide-to-the-mueller-reports-findings-on-collusion/

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cozy_Bear
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fancy_Bear
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/us/politics/russia-hack-election-dnc.html
http://archive.md/Y8jIG

 

So Obama warns trump of Flynn and his connections with Russia, Trump ignores him and hired Flynn anyway, then Trump bitches and moans that it was a polital hit job because the invesitgation on Flynn cathces Trump doing stupid shit too. Then Trump gets Barr to let Flynn off for LYING TO THE FBI AND ADMITTING TO IT. lol ok dude.

"Former President Barack Obama warned then-President-elect Donald Trump about Michael Flynn during their Oval Office meeting two days after the election, current and former administration officials confirmed."

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/08/obama-warn-trump-michael-flynn-238116


Side note: Question - EVEN IF YOU BELIEVE THIS SHIT, Why hasn't the President put sanctions in place against Russia for the CLEAR MEDDLING in the 2016 elections? 
 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/reviewing-trumps-call-russian-hacking-after-mueller/585838/

It's common place for our President to reach out to foreign powers to interfere with US politics - ANOTHER EXAMPLE:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/03/us/politics/trump-china-bidens.html
http://archive.md/HdZQf
 

 

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

 

Muller report was part of the hit job, I suggest you keep reading all the FBI fallout from the IG report.

 

https://oig.justice.gov/press/2019/2019-12-09.pdf

 

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-did-not-merely-reject-the-trumprussia-conspiracy-theories-he-obliterated-them/

 

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/stop-saying-donald-trump-colluded-russia

 

Here is a little article as to what you might be suffering from.

 

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/435839-journalist-says-scandals-like-russia-investigation-get-conflated-into

 

Hackers were never convicted. Their indictments were tossed out as soon as they lawyered up.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/doj-moves-to-drop-charges-ira-russians-indicted-mueller-2020-3

 

 

Obama didn't warn the Trump campaign of Flynn. Flynn was deliberately setup by the Obama office and lots of hard factual evidence from the people working for Muller's team left notes of their actions. Thus triggering the Durham investigation soon to be completed. The Obama office used the Flynn "Russian" connection to spy within the Trump campaign several times using the FISA court. At which was discovered several blatant fabrications were used to extend the illegal warrants.

 

https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/strzoks-newly-discovered-fbi-notes-deliver-sensational

 

Your assertion that Barr "let" Flynn off is an absolute reach.. Do you know about laws that require the DOJ to produce exculpatory evidence if available? Well the team tasked with prosecuting Flynn withheld a massive amount of this. A Felony crime within the judicial system BTW.

 

This shit must make your head explode.. You are defending a group of people that abused the power of their positions to try and overturn a legal election through overt crimes, but since you HATE Trump I couldn't imagine this type of circumstance triggering your brain to unlock and learn something new.

 

You are on the wrong side of this.

Edited July 9, 2020 by Mattndew76

[Dguy210]

56 minutes ago, BrothersGarage said:

 

Link 1. But experts say the overall death toll has more likely been an undercount due to some people who have died without receiving a test or falsely testing negative for the disease.
Link 2: The CDC also says its "best estimate" is that 0.4% of people who show symptoms and have Covid-19 will die, and the agency estimates that 40% of coronavirus transmission is occurring before people feel sick (that doesn't mean that you won't go to the hospital, or have to deal with the long standing heart probs/ lung probs / kideney probs that come wit hit afterwards. Happy ro provide tons of links on these if intrested)
Link 3. Breibart LOL no. That is a fuckin terrible source for anything 'unbiased"
Link 3. Talks about world wide infection rate which is around .3 to 3% - which isn't the US and how poorly we've handled it, which is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR worse than even 3rd world countries. 

 

"Based on death certificate data, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia, influenza or COVID-19 (PIC) decreased from 9.0% during week 25 to 5.9% during week 26, representing the tenth week of a declining percentage of deaths due to PIC. The percentage is currently at the epidemic threshold but will likely change as more death certificates are processed, particularly for recent weeks.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

 

Link 1. USAtoday is also horribly biased and many other sources have talked about a massive over count. "has more likely been an undercount due to some people who have died without receiving a test or falsely testing negative for the disease." That line is pretty much bullshit, the recording methods for even presumed cases is so well recorded that anyone who dies from symptoms similar to Covid gets recorded as a covid death. Many sources for that.

Link 2. "The CDC also says its "best estimate" is that 0.4% of people who show symptoms and have Covid-19 will die," I literally posted that when you factor in the asymptomatic factor that gives you the 0.26% that will die. THE CDC specifically state that and CDCs "best estimate" is still better than anyone elses data and they say estimate as no data is perfect. Nice try ignoring the other have of what was stated about counting asymptomatic people reducing that. BUT EVEN WITH YOU IGNORING THAT IT WOULD STILL BE 0.4% not the >3% being talked about before.

Link 3. Breibart sourced it's data. Just because you don't agree with the bias doesn't mean you can ignore it. The other sources are just biased in the opposite direction which is why I give a spread of them. By only calling out the one that does not agree with your bias you demonstrate your bias. Moreover, it said THE SAME DAMN THING THE OTHER SITES SAID.

 

Link 3. "Talks about world wide infection rate which is around .3 to 3%" Infection rate is mostly unimportant and is not what was being talked about. Your statement is tangental to the mortality rate.

 

 THE DEATH RATE is the issue here. But even hospitalizations are down too while testing is up. Here is data from the hotspot in Washington. 

 

"Based on death certificate data, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia, influenza or COVID-19 (PIC) decreased from 9.0% during week 25 to 5.9% during week 26, representing the tenth week of a declining percentage of deaths due to PIC. The percentage is currently at the epidemic threshold but will likely change as more death certificates are processed, particularly for recent weeks." 

 

NOTE THIS SUPPORTS MY POINT THE DEATH RATE IS DECREASING as the tested rate increases but hospitilizations have also decreased. MOREOVER note this counts other factors than COVID-19. THE P and I bits are literally not about COVID! Aggregating those and using that to claim anything is expected as we move into summer. You know how influenza does every fucking year anyways.

 

 

NONE of what you posted does anything but support my statement backed up by the CDC which is the DEATH RATE is about 0.3% which is the same as a bad flu year. NOTHING YOU POSTED disagrees with that statement.

Edited July 9, 2020 by Dguy210

[john510]

Edited July 9, 2020 by john510

[john510]

A few of you need some of this.Give me an address,i'll send you some.I also recommend laying off the CNN to help speed the healing process.Especially you Mike,you seem to be parroting everything the liberal media is reporting.You live in Canada and an American President bothers you ? 

Edited July 9, 2020 by john510

[datzenmike]

8 hours ago, Dguy210 said:

 

 

NONE of what you posted does anything but support my statement backed up by the CDC which is the DEATH RATE is about 0.3% which is the same as a bad flu year. NOTHING YOU POSTED disagrees with that statement.

 

 

But the regular flu kills 30-55K. You're closing in on 150K with closures masks and distancing.

[datzenmike]

55 minutes ago, john510 said:

A few of you need some of this.Give me an address,i'll send you some.I also recommend laying off the CNN to help speed the healing process.Especially you Mike,you seem to be parroting everything the liberal media is reporting.You live in Canada and an American President bothers you ? 

 

He's the village idiot who lives next door and there's some smoke coming out the back window. One of the reasons covid is taking over is you aren't working together on it. Just the opposite. Your house isn't in order. There doesn't seem to be any thought of common good or a united front against a common cause. I've never seen it so divided down there since segregation ended or the Vietnam protests.  

[Jesse C.]

[john510]

23 minutes ago, datzenmike said:

 

He's the village idiot who lives next door and there's some smoke coming out the back window. One of the reasons covid is taking over is you aren't working together on it. Just the opposite. Your house isn't in order. There doesn't seem to be any thought of common good or a united front against a common cause. I've never seen it so divided down there since segregation ended or the Vietnam protests.  

You sound ridiculous Mike.I'll pay extra for next day shipping on the salve.

[BrothersGarage]

9 hours ago, Mattndew76 said:

 

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

 

Muller report was part of the hit job, I suggest you keep reading all the FBI fallout from the IG report.

 

https://oig.justice.gov/press/2019/2019-12-09.pdf

 

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18/robert-mueller-did-not-merely-reject-the-trumprussia-conspiracy-theories-he-obliterated-them/

 

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/stop-saying-donald-trump-colluded-russia

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Tower_meeting

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/07/16/us/elections/russian-interference-statements-comments.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/19/us/politics/mueller-report-william-barr-excerpts.html
http://archive.md/YD3DY

https://www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/2019/04/18/redacted-mueller-report-steve-almond

https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-presidential-investigation-education-project/other-resources/stark-contrasts-between-the-mueller-report-and-attorney-general-barrs-summary/
 

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 Here is a little article as to what you might be suffering from.

 

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/435839-journalist-says-scandals-like-russia-investigation-get-conflated-into

Nah. I don't like ANY form of corruption in our government. More so when it's super clear. You know, video evidence of the candidate asking for foreign interference (Russia if you're listening), Trump Tower Meeting to acquire that information, the stonewalling of investigations by not complying with subpoenas, the unprecedented actions of the DOJ to drop guilty pleas ... It's a litmus test alright but not of a political nature...
 

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Hackers were never convicted. Their indictments were tossed out as soon as they lawyered up.

https://www.businessinsider.com/doj-moves-to-drop-charges-ira-russians-indicted-mueller-2020-3

 

So you didn't click on the link and read it at all eh? It's not just "hackers" who were convicted - there was 34 people. The hackers are only 12 of those people.  But thanks for helping me prove that Barr is going out of his way to cover for the President, as he was hired to do.

Side note on the 12 hackers being let off:
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/01/dutch-intelligence-hacked-video-cameras-in-office-of-russians-who-hacked-dnc/
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/russian-hackers-who-breached-us-democrats-watched-by-dutch-spies/story-lYpBJhtZZ967yfDgYo10IJ.html

Why would the Dutch (some of the best hackers in the world, who are a strategic partner of ours - lie about that? 
 

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Obama didn't warn the Trump campaign of Flynn. Flynn was deliberately setup by the Obama office and lots of hard factual evidence from the people working for Muller's team left notes of their actions. Thus triggering the Durham investigation soon to be completed. The Obama office used the Flynn "Russian" connection to spy within the Trump campaign several times using the FISA court. At which was discovered several blatant fabrications were used to extend the illegal warrants.

 

https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/strzoks-newly-discovered-fbi-notes-deliver-sensational

 

So you're ignoring the link that literally says Obama warned Trump of Flynn ... why?

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama warned Donald J. Trump against hiring Michael T. Flynn to be part of his national security team when Mr. Obama met with his successor in the Oval Office two days after the November election, two former Obama administration officials said on Monday.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/08/us/politics/obama-flynn-trump.html
http://archive.md/WHc57
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/08/obama-warn-trump-michael-flynn-238116
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39847417

What is that "hard factual evidence" that he was setup? He LIED - TWICE - and plead GUILTY - TWICE - to the FBI and then admitted to doing so!

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/1/16724742/michael-flynn-plead-guilty-lied-fbi
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/05/07/understanding-twists-turns-michael-flynn-case/
http://archive.md/amp37

And that garbage that Obama used Flynn to spy on Trump .... dude that is such Fox News talking point bullshit. Flynn was already being watched by the FBI and Trump for whatever reason decided to ignore Obama - do some shady shit - and get caught up in it. Then, only afterwards has Trump went to cover his ass by not complying with subpoenas, and ordering everyone else not to. (and that doesn't include the 'witness tampering' Trump was doing on social media and the news!)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/24/us/politics/donald-trump-subpoenas.html
http://archive.md/JQdmL
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/24/trump-subpoenas-mueller-report-1289431
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/04/white-house-tells-ex-staffers-not-to-comply-with-democrats-subpoenas.html
 

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Your assertion that Barr "let" Flynn off is an absolute reach.. Do you know about laws that require the DOJ to produce exculpatory evidence if available? Well the team tasked with prosecuting Flynn withheld a massive amount of this. A Felony crime within the judicial system BTW.

 

This shit must make your head explode.. You are defending a group of people that abused the power of their positions to try and overturn a legal election through overt crimes, but since you HATE Trump I couldn't imagine this type of circumstance triggering your brain to unlock and learn something new.

 

You are on the wrong side of this.

Then why is the DOJ doing unprecedented stuff and going out of their way to drop cut and dry crimes?

"It is unusual for a criminal defendant to claim innocence and move to withdraw his guilty plea after repeatedly swearing under oath that he committed the crime, [sic]"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/06/01/michael-flynn-judge-defends-decision-challenge-doj-effort-drop-case/5306884002/
https://www.law.com/nationallawjournal/2020/05/08/a-pardon-by-another-name-lawyers-decry-barrs-move-to-dump-flynn-case/?slreturn=20200609101822
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/10/politics/michael-flynn-prosecutor-filing/index.html

So much so that 80% of the lawschool that he went to called for his Censure and Resignation.....
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/in-scathing-letter-more-than-80-percent-of-active-faculty-at-bill-barrs-law-school-call-for-his-censure-and-resignation/

Side note: Enjoy numerous examples how Barr also tried to undermine Cohen's conviction:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Keep_Track/comments/hhziea/lost_in_the_sauce_barr_tried_to_undermine_michael/

I can't believe you're saying I'm defending people who abused their power of their positions....total arguing in bad faith when you ignore so many facts and protect a super corrupt DOJ and President who surrounds himself with such people...

The simple fact so many people are ignoring so many MAJOR problems with the current administration is insane - and that's the wrong side to be on. 

PS: Trump didn't only seek help from Russia (“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” he said, referring to the Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s deleted messages. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”) - But also China. 

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"Former national security adviser John Bolton has leveled a stunning accusation against his former boss, claiming in his new book that President Donald Trump personally asked his Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping, to help him win the 2020 US presidential election…"
 

One notable interaction described by Bolton was a meeting between the two leaders at the G-20 Summit in Osaka last June, where the US President "stunningly" turned the conversation to the upcoming 2020 election.

The former national security adviser said Trump "stressed the importance of farmers and increased Chinese purchases of soybeans and wheat in the electoral outcome…” Bolton said the conversation turned back to the trade deal, and Trump "proposed that for the remaining $350 billion of trade imbalances (by Trump's arithmetic), the US would not impose tariffs, but he again returned to importuning Xi to buy as many American farm products as China could.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/politics/bolton-book-trump/index.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/03/us/politics/trump-china-bidens.html
http://archive.md/HdZQf
 

Edited July 9, 2020 by BrothersGarage

[BrothersGarage]

  

9 hours ago, Dguy210 said:

Link 1. USAtoday is also horribly biased and many other sources have talked about a massive over count. "has more likely been an undercount due to some people who have died without receiving a test or falsely testing negative for the disease." That line is pretty much bullshit, the recording methods for even presumed cases is so well recorded that anyone who dies from symptoms similar to Covid gets recorded as a covid death. Many sources for that.

 

"During March 11–May 2, 2020, a total of 32,107 deaths were reported to DOHMH; of these deaths, 24,172 (95% confidence interval = 22,980–25,364) were found to be in excess of the seasonal expected baseline. Included in the 24,172 deaths were 13,831 (57%) laboratory-confirmed COVID-19–associated deaths and 5,048 (21%) probable COVID-19–associated deaths, leaving 5,293 (22%) excess deaths that were not identified as either laboratory-confirmed or probable COVID-19–associated deaths (Figure)."
 

"The 5,293 excess deaths not identified as confirmed or probable COVID-19–associated deaths might have been directly or indirectly attributable to the pandemic. The percentages of these excess deaths that occurred in persons infected with SARS-CoV-2 or resulted from indirect impacts of the pandemic are unknown and require further investigation."

 

And that's just New York - and since we are still in the middle of a pandemic, we will likely have to wait on someone to go back though all the info to find out what's going on.
 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6919e5.htm
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/15/coronavirus-new-york-city-struggles-to-get-accurate-fatality-count-as-more-people-die-at-home.html
 

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Link 2. "The CDC also says its "best estimate" is that 0.4% of people who show symptoms and have Covid-19 will die," I literally posted that when you factor in the asymptomatic factor that gives you the 0.26% that will die. THE CDC specifically state that and CDCs "best estimate" is still better than anyone elses data and they say estimate as no data is perfect. Nice try ignoring the other have of what was stated about counting asymptomatic people reducing that. BUT EVEN WITH YOU IGNORING THAT IT WOULD STILL BE 0.4% not the >3% being talked about before.

Your own link is talking about WORLD WIDE 0.4%  nice of you to ignore the US stats that I brought up and that are the problem since the rest of the world has it under control now...
 

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Link 3. Breibart sourced it's data. Just because you don't agree with the bias doesn't mean you can ignore it. The other sources are just biased in the opposite direction which is why I give a spread of them. By only calling out the one that does not agree with your bias you demonstrate your bias. Moreover, it said THE SAME DAMN THING THE OTHER SITES SAID.

Link 3. "Talks about world wide infection rate which is around .3 to 3%" Infection rate is mostly unimportant and is not what was being talked about. Your statement is tangental to the mortality rate.

If you wanna discredit USAtoday but listen to Breibart and talk about disagreeing with bias....ok dude. 
 

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 THE DEATH RATE is the issue here. But even hospitalizations are down too while testing is up. Here is data from the hotspot in Washington. 

 

"Based on death certificate data, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia, influenza or COVID-19 (PIC) decreased from 9.0% during week 25 to 5.9% during week 26, representing the tenth week of a declining percentage of deaths due to PIC. The percentage is currently at the epidemic threshold but will likely change as more death certificates are processed, particularly for recent weeks." 

 

NOTE THIS SUPPORTS MY POINT THE DEATH RATE IS DECREASING as the tested rate increases but hospitilizations have also decreased. MOREOVER note this counts other factors than COVID-19. THE P and I bits are literally not about COVID! Aggregating those and using that to claim anything is expected as we move into summer. You know how influenza does every fucking year anyways.

 

 

NONE of what you posted does anything but support my statement backed up by the CDC which is the DEATH RATE is about 0.3% which is the same as a bad flu year. NOTHING YOU POSTED disagrees with that statement.

 

Are you too lazy to click on links?
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
 

Hospitalizations: (down from when this started, but not going down overall....)
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/hospitalizations-forecasts.html


But lets looks at Washington as you pointed it out (well, will you look at that.....going up here too)
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/cases-updates/Consolidated-Forecasts-Hosp-2020-06-29.pdf



Want to look at what Washington is doing as far as Deaths? Sure! 
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/state-timeline/new-deaths/washington/0


What is that graph doing at the end there?


Still comparing Covid to the flu.....62,000 deaths from the flu (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm) in the same time 130,000 deaths from Covid happened, but OK dude...




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[BrothersGarage]

1 hour ago, Jesse C. said:

I wanted to look that to be pissed at her, but it's fake

https://projects.propublica.org/politwoops/user/AOC?page=2

- went though 3 pages of her deleted tweets and it should be between these 2



Bonus:

 

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[Mattndew76]

1 hour ago, BrothersGarage said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Tower_meeting

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/07/16/us/elections/russian-interference-statements-comments.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/19/us/politics/mueller-report-william-barr-excerpts.html
http://archive.md/YD3DY

https://www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/2019/04/18/redacted-mueller-report-steve-almond

https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-presidential-investigation-education-project/other-resources/stark-contrasts-between-the-mueller-report-and-attorney-general-barrs-summary/
 

Nah. I don't like ANY form of corruption in our government. More so when it's super clear. You know, video evidence of the candidate asking for foreign interference (Russia if you're listening), Trump Tower Meeting to acquire that information, the stonewalling of investigations by not complying with subpoenas, the unprecedented actions of the DOJ to drop guilty pleas ... It's a litmus test alright but not of a political nature...
 

 

So you didn't click on the link and read it at all eh? It's not just "hackers" who were convicted - there was 34 people. The hackers are only 12 of those people.  But thanks for helping me prove that Barr is going out of his way to cover for the President, as he was hired to do.

Side note on the 12 hackers being let off:
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/01/dutch-intelligence-hacked-video-cameras-in-office-of-russians-who-hacked-dnc/
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/russian-hackers-who-breached-us-democrats-watched-by-dutch-spies/story-lYpBJhtZZ967yfDgYo10IJ.html

Why would the Dutch (some of the best hackers in the world, who are a strategic partner of ours - lie about that? 
 

So you're ignoring the link that literally says Obama warned Trump of Flynn ... why?

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama warned Donald J. Trump against hiring Michael T. Flynn to be part of his national security team when Mr. Obama met with his successor in the Oval Office two days after the November election, two former Obama administration officials said on Monday.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/08/us/politics/obama-flynn-trump.html
http://archive.md/WHc57
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/08/obama-warn-trump-michael-flynn-238116
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39847417

What is that "hard factual evidence" that he was setup? He LIED - TWICE - and plead GUILTY - TWICE - to the FBI and then admitted to doing so!

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/1/16724742/michael-flynn-plead-guilty-lied-fbi
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/05/07/understanding-twists-turns-michael-flynn-case/
http://archive.md/amp37

And that garbage that Obama used Flynn to spy on Trump .... dude that is such Fox News talking point bullshit. Flynn was already being watched by the FBI and Trump for whatever reason decided to ignore Obama - do some shady shit - and get caught up in it. Then, only afterwards has Trump went to cover his ass by not complying with subpoenas, and ordering everyone else not to. (and that doesn't include the 'witness tampering' Trump was doing on social media and the news!)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/24/us/politics/donald-trump-subpoenas.html
http://archive.md/JQdmL
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/24/trump-subpoenas-mueller-report-1289431
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/04/white-house-tells-ex-staffers-not-to-comply-with-democrats-subpoenas.html
 

Then why is the DOJ doing unprecedented stuff and going out of their way to drop cut and dry crimes?

"It is unusual for a criminal defendant to claim innocence and move to withdraw his guilty plea after repeatedly swearing under oath that he committed the crime, [sic]"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/06/01/michael-flynn-judge-defends-decision-challenge-doj-effort-drop-case/5306884002/
https://www.law.com/nationallawjournal/2020/05/08/a-pardon-by-another-name-lawyers-decry-barrs-move-to-dump-flynn-case/?slreturn=20200609101822
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/10/politics/michael-flynn-prosecutor-filing/index.html

So much so that 80% of the lawschool that he went to called for his Censure and Resignation.....
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/in-scathing-letter-more-than-80-percent-of-active-faculty-at-bill-barrs-law-school-call-for-his-censure-and-resignation/

Side note: Enjoy numerous examples how Barr also tried to undermine Cohen's conviction:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Keep_Track/comments/hhziea/lost_in_the_sauce_barr_tried_to_undermine_michael/

I can't believe you're saying I'm defending people who abused their power of their positions....total arguing in bad faith when you ignore so many facts and protect a super corrupt DOJ and President who surrounds himself with such people...

The simple fact so many people are ignoring so many MAJOR problems with the current administration is insane - and that's the wrong side to be on. 

PS: Trump didn't only seek help from Russia (“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” he said, referring to the Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s deleted messages. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”) - But also China. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/17/politics/bolton-book-trump/index.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/03/us/politics/trump-china-bidens.html
http://archive.md/HdZQf
 

it’s cool dude. You know what you know. Isn’t any amount of reasoning that will help you think otherwise. You are concrete.
 

You seem like the type of guy that can’t ever ask themselves “Am I wrong?”

 

You have proven over and over you get your information from a very narrow spectrum.

 

heck you are Arguing with Dguy about virology and he is an actual Virologist and his spouse is a micro biologist as well who quite literally worked with SARS.

 

Dunning Kruger effect much?

 

The internet is your pearl buddy. Try to balance out where you get your information. Try to open your mind a little and read information from the right on occasion. It’s painful but you can grow from it.

 

otherwise you are just a record stuck on repeat. 
 

http://rationallythinkingoutloud.com/cognitive-dissonance-the-reason-why-people-to-dig-in-their-heels-and-hold-on-to-their-beliefs/

 

So you win. BrothersGarage: 1  - Mattndew: 0

 

 

 

 

 

 

[john510]

Jesus,25 links from biased news sources ? no wonder people think the way they do.That shit will warp your mind and not allow you to think clearly if you don't step away from it.

[BrothersGarage]

8 minutes ago, Mattndew76 said:

it’s cool dude. You know what you know. Isn’t any amount of reasoning that will help you think otherwise. You are concrete.

You seem like the type of guy that can’t ever ask themselves “Am I wrong?”

k.

I disagree with you but I can't admit when I am wrong? Nice leap in logic there... or you could take the time to refute the stuff I posted with sources to back up your views?
 

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You have proven over and over you get your information from a very narrow spectrum.

After I provided 16 different sources and almost 2 dozen links? lol ok dude
 

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heck you are Arguing with Dguy about virology and he is an actual Virologist and his spouse is a micro biologist as well who quite literally worked with SARS.

Because it doesn't appear that the CDC agrees with the points he is making? Nor does the data support it? 

Example Covid killing more people than the Flu - in the same time - but it's no more deadly? 
 

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Dunning Kruger effect much?

Projecting much? Rather attack me than the sources I provide.... You can't even debate in good faith dude. 
 

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The internet is your pearl buddy. Try to balance out where you get your information. Try to open your mind a little and read information from the right on occasion. It’s painful but you can grow from it.

You have any places I should be reading from than the 6 links you provided or you wanna just attack me more because I don't know what I'm talking about apparently, or haven't conformed to what you see as "correct", or my "sources are too limited" still?  You would benefit greatly from the cognitive dissonance article you're linking me to read...

https://psychology.wikia.org/wiki/Projection_(defence_mechanism)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

What other excuse do you want to come up with to not address any of the arguments I provided previously?
 

[BrothersGarage]

12 minutes ago, john510 said:

Jesus,25 links from biased news sources ? no wonder people think the way they do.That shit will warp your mind and not allow you to think clearly if you don't step away from it.

So Wikipedia / DNI.gov / NYTimes / ACSLAW / ARSTechnica / Politico / WashingtonPost / CNBC / USAToday / LAW.com / Lawandcrime.com / and the fucking BBC are all biased?

What sources are you using that you can say such a stupid comment like that?



Source: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-biased-is-your-news-source-you-probably-wont-agree-with-this-chart-2018-02-28

 

[Mattndew76]

4 minutes ago, BrothersGarage said:

k.

I disagree with you but I can't admit when I am wrong? Nice leap in logic there... or you could take the time to refute the stuff I posted with sources to back up your views?
 

After I provided 16 different sources and almost 2 dozen links? lol ok dude
 

Because it doesn't appear that the CDC agrees with the points he is making? Nor does the data support it? 

Example Covid killing more people than the Flu - in the same time - but it's no more deadly? 
 

Projecting much? Rather attack me than the sources I provide.... You can't even debate in good faith dude. 
 

You have any places I should be reading from than the 6 links you provided or you wanna just attack me more because I don't know what I'm talking about apparently, or haven't conformed to what you see as "correct", or my "sources are too limited" still?  You would benefit greatly from the cognitive dissonance article you're linking me to read...

https://psychology.wikia.org/wiki/Projection_(defence_mechanism)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

What other excuse do you want to come up with to not address any of the arguments I provided previously?
 

Already said you won dude.

 

what else do you want?

 

 

 

 

[BrothersGarage]

Just now, Mattndew76 said:

Already said you won dude.

 

what else do you want?

It's fine if you don't want to discuss it more but you said a bunch of nonsence and then said I won as your way to exit to convo dude, I can't rebut it?

[john510]

15 minutes ago, BrothersGarage said:

So Wikipedia / DNI.gov / NYTimes / ACSLAW / ARSTechnica / Politico / WashingtonPost / CNBC / USAToday / LAW.com / Lawandcrime.com / and the fucking BBC are all biased?

What sources are you using that you can say such a stupid comment like that?



Source: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-biased-is-your-news-source-you-probably-wont-agree-with-this-chart-2018-02-28

 

Hilarious.Do you even look at this shit before you post it ? CNN is in the middle counted as neutral.Bloomberg also.It's no wonder you believe what you believe.You win again.At least it got INFOWARS right.

[Mattndew76]

17 minutes ago, BrothersGarage said:

It's fine if you don't want to discuss it more but you said a bunch of nonsence and then said I won as your way to exit to convo dude, I can't rebut it?

expand your sphere. That’s all I gotta say.

 

https://hiddentribes.us/quiz/

[BrothersGarage]

5 minutes ago, john510 said:

Hilarious.Do you even look at this shit before you post it ? CNN is in the middle counted as neutral.Bloomberg also.It's no wonder you believe what you believe.You win again.At least it got INFOWARS right.

Seriously? you can see how the information was compiled,.

Do you ever post shit to back up your views or do you like constantly arguing in bad faith?