620 L20B CAUSES OF ENGINE SEIZURE?

[Stoffregen Motorsports]

There's that passive aggressive again.

[datzenmike]

On 3/1/2020 at 11:11 AM, Stoffregen Motorsports said:

 Since you speak English, why don't you piss off and stop insulting those of us who do this for a living.

 

On 3/1/2020 at 12:25 PM, Stoffregen Motorsports said:

 Go get a fucking job and stop haranguing us with your vast knowledge of the English language.

 

16 hours ago, Stoffregen Motorsports said:

Yeah, giving it up the ass to the yearling goat...

Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

 

16 hours ago, Stoffregen Motorsports said:

 Just be careful how you characterize us from here on out. You talk shit, I'm going to call you out.

 

For at least being civil in a disagreement over word usage? You're the one who got bent over nothing and you know it and it shows in your offensive replies.

 

Great deflection BTW. Somehow I'm at fault for your replies??? All Datsun FSMs use the term gallery for the internal oil delivery passage, at least the six or eight I have for trucks and cars, even the 510 Haynes does, and while galley may be a slang term it may be confusing to others working on their Datsun engine for the first time. Hanging around chevy owners is rubbing off on you.... Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Crashtd420]

The last thing I want is to be in the middle of this pissing match but I know personally I've been calling it galley for years.... I was dumbfounded over all this debate and had to look it up.... (surprised no one else did)

 

 

Seems like every car forum has had this debate..... 

 

 

[datzenmike]

3 hours ago, Crashtd420 said:

The last thing I want is to be in the middle of this pissing match but I know personally I've been calling it galley for years.... I was dumbfounded over all this debate and had to look it up.... (surprised no one else did)

 

 

Seems like every car forum has had this debate..... 

 

 

 

No worse (or just as bad) as saying prolly. Galley may have gained some traction over the years but still hasn't made it into the dictionary. (I don't think) Every time I hear it, it sticks out like a sore thumb.  Like WTF they must mean gallery and spelled it wrong? 

 

If we aren't careful with our language uses we'll end up on the Tower of Bable.

 

 

[wayno]

I guess you don't know everything, you don't know when to STOP.

Edited March 3, 2020 by wayno

[Stoffregen Motorsports]

Mike, it's your constant characterization of mechanics as sub-par that gets me going. If someone doesn't live up to your factory service manual standards, then they must be wrong. You keep doing it, and I can never tell if you're serious or just kidding.

 

BTW- that article about the usage of gallery vs galley, it came out in like 2015. Probably written by someone who has never turned a wrench professionally.

[banzai510(hainz)]

when people ask me if I KNOW cars, I saw NO!      I only know Datsuns

[datzenmike]

23 minutes ago, Stoffregen Motorsports said:

Mike, it's your constant characterization of mechanics as sub-par that gets me going. If someone doesn't live up to your factory service manual standards, then they must be wrong. You keep doing it, and I can never tell if you're serious or just kidding.

 

yes, as far as Datsuns go I trust myself more that someone that wasn't born yet. Most here I trust their opinions they at least know Datsuns. Mechanics may not be sub par but they are mostly crooks making a living. Never seen anything to change my opinion on them. Present company excepted. 

yes the FSM is basically a bible making me a FSM fundamentalist

yes 

 

23 minutes ago, Stoffregen Motorsports said:

 BTW- that article about the usage of gallery vs galley, it came out in like 2015. Probably written by someone who has never turned a wrench professionally.

 

yes

[Stoffregen Motorsports]

Alright then, I know where you stand. I come to the defense of mechanics when someone who is not one calls them crooks.

 

Don't deny it when you do it, and stop pretending like you know better than everyone else because the FSM states so. Just as language can change, so can technology and the application of it. The book written 40 years ago...? To me, it's a jumping off point.

[datzenmike]

Well surely you can't speak for or defend all mechanics just yourself and some you know. If they were crooks you wouldn't have anything to do with them. Like attracts like.

 

As for FSMs they were written 40 years ago for a 40 year old vehicle. What was true then is true now. Today's cars and mechanics are different. If you take your car to a mechanic for work then why are you even here on Ratsun, which is more of a home mechanic, do it yourself, help me out forum. There's precious little on an old Datsun that can't be fixed by their owner with or without an FSM. Today's mechanics are used to fixing today's cars that NO ONE can fix at home. They're made that way. Some you can't even check the oil. If you go to a mechanic, expect to be fucked over for doing exactly what you could do yourself. How many times has someone come hear and said that a mechanic's estimate to replace a blown head gasket was $900? I remember one for $1,500? Or $300 to rebuild a carburetor or $900 to rebuild a transmission..... the list is endless. 

 

If you happen to be a 'professional mechanic' reading this and you have a clear conscience, then my saying that they are crooks shouldn't bother you. Why should it, it doesn't apply to you. If you've ever padded a bill, or charged for work not done or not needed (biggest scam ever... charging for un-needed work) charged premium for inferior parts or took advantage of someone who doesn't know better....  then get indignant, bluster all you like..... you know what you are. 

 

Having kept a 521 on the road for 8 years, with only the king pins rebuilt, a B-210 for 4? a 620 for 16 and a 710 for 8 or 9 with the last 20 years only paying to have the tires balanced, none were ever in a shop for work. The tires I pried off and changed myself by hand, only show how easy they are to fix and in no way qualifies me as a 'mechanic' but I can turn a wrench on my own stuff. Pardon me if I'm not humble enough for you and I dispense free advice based on manuals, research materials, and information supplied by Nissan, and my experience doing it the 'old way'. I trust myself far more than others and in some rare cases you're damn right!  I DO know better. Free advice is just exactly that, it's worth less or... worthless, no one is obliged to take it and it goes without saying it should be verified. Such is the nature of forums.

 

Mechanics are still crooks, even though you might like to think differently.

 

 

 

[thisismatt]

Mike, the world is not filled we people just like you or us. There are literally billions of people who don't have the space/tools/time/knowledge to work on their personal vehicles. Also, times are not like they were, in so many ways, that your archaic view of what constitutes crookery is just the going rate these days. 

[datzenmike]

So.... being a crook is ok if you charge high enough for your crookery?

 

No, I'm talking about charging for work not done, work not needed to be done, over charging for parts, padding the bill, and generally ripping off someone that doesn't know better, often women, though this is getting better.... not the mechanic but the women. Just for an example my wife went in to have her company car 'serviced'. She calls me and says to come down the 'mechanic' was trying to tell her that the calipers, shoes and rotors all need replacing on the Jetta. The estimate is over $700. I go down an the 'mechanic' won't look me in the eye. A asked to show me and I'm not shitting you, the pads were 3/8" thick, all of them, the rotors were like mirrors, the calipers clean and no leaks. I said they look fine to me and he jumped to get the wheels on and us out of there. Fucking lying crook bastard, thought my wife was an easy mark. Goddamn VW dealership too.  

[I'm BLUE]

1 hour ago, datzenmike said:

So.... being a crook is ok if you charge high enough for your crookery?

 

No, I'm talking about charging for work not done, work not needed to be done, over charging for parts, padding the bill, and generally ripping off someone that doesn't know better, often women, though this is getting better.... not the mechanic but the women. Just for an example my wife went in to have her company car 'serviced'. She calls me and says to come down the 'mechanic' was trying to tell her that the calipers, shoes and rotors all need replacing on the Jetta. The estimate is over $700. I go down an the 'mechanic' won't look me in the eye. A asked to show me and I'm not shitting you, the pads were 3/8" thick, all of them, the rotors were like mirrors, the calipers clean and no leaks. I said they look fine to me and he jumped to get the wheels on and us out of there. Fucking lying crook bastard, thought my wife was an easy mark. Goddamn VW dealership too.  

 

Cuzamerika? Lol

 

I hope your wife doesn't foot the bill for the company car....funk that if that's the case.....and since it's a VW....Id'd be really surprised that's all that would be wrong with it .....going into the shop and making it out alive.....that's a wet fucking dream for a vw.... to make it out of the shop alive without being parted out or sold......or catch on fire randomly........if it was a legitimate inspection/diagnosis/shop.. of course

 

there are .....the Grey area..... legal crooks  everywhere in every single industry , not just mechanics , or jdm510.....

Edited March 4, 2020 by I'm BLUE
Livelongandprosperbitchez

[datzenmike]

Agreed, it's everywhere but I'm not a lawyer so can't comment on them or a realtor... on them or car salesman, on them or....??? I guess now I'm not really a mechanic so shouldn't comment on them and their practices either but I see things and I hear things. Advice on a forum is free, could to be wrong but usually there is some consistence, hard to be a crook about it, in fact asking questions here could prevent being ripped off by your mechanic. It's the only honest well intentioned source of help and information there is outside a manual. A mechanic has to weigh profit/loss interests and a huge conflict of interest. Gotta make a living right? Garage owner leaning on you. Temptation to do more unnecessary work, pad the bill etc.

 

If you can't do the work, know what's involved when having it done. Tell him what you want, don't let him tell you. Get a second opinion. Get an estimate. Don't be a obvious victim. Never ever ever say" I don't really know much about that". When it comes to old cars like our Datsuns YOU probably know as much about them as a mechanic who's only heard of them. Expect to pay too much and get the old parts back. Trust.... it's so hard to come by when money is involved for a service. 

[MikeRL411]

Also, when your car is older than the mechanic assigned to work on it expect trouble !

[datzenmike]

Lets say you're under 40, and a mechanic. Good chance you haven't seen a carburetor or a points distributor or if older haven't seen one in over 20 years. I doubt they even teach them. So again YOU the owner know as much or more. Basically you are paying for a mechanic's education in old cars. Bolts tighten and gaskets seal. You may know more electronic and sensor theory but how does that help a car that was 22 when you were born? Only sensor is the temp sender. Mechanics don't/can't fix things, they are taught to just replace them, it's the way things are today. Exclusively with cheap poor quality possibly name brand.... crap. This is why you should ask for your old parts back, they are often rebuild-able or salvageable for parts.. 

[Stoffregen Motorsports]

You're forgetting about the niche or specialty shop. Or even small town shop. There are many niche guys out there who are young and specialize in older vehicles. I can think of at least four shops in my immediate area that are owned and run by young guys and are good with anything.

 

Again Mike, you're generalizing. Ultimately, the onus is on the owner to search out and find the right mechanic for the job. I wouldn't bring a 1970 FJ40 to the Toyota dealership. Even my 2003 Volvo V70 T5R required a specialist. Funny hearing me speak of the shops I bring my cars and trucks to. I should work on my own stuff, right? No time...

 

But back to the owner. Find the right shop. It may take a few trips to the wrong mechanics to find out the hard way, but every area, whether rural or metropolitan, has a shop that can work on older cars/trucks.

 

What we should be focusing our efforts on here is compiling a list of all the shitty shops out there, as confirmed by Ratsun members' experiences.

 

[datzenmike]

I think we had a post on Bill's Datsun Shop in Canby? Thing is, hardly anyone praises a shop for well done work, it's the complaints that get traction and are remembered. Good or bad shops would only be assessed by those who use them for their work. It may be me but most do their own work from simple tune ups the engine rebuilding so there would be little input from them. In my case I had to have my tires balanced, I have no way to do this myself but I did pry them off and on the rims.

 

Indeed!!!! Buyer Beware. In law, the onus is on the buyer to get what he pays for services or goods. The seller is under no obligation to be candid. Many 'sellers' are quite disingenuous.

[banzai510(hainz)]

I would run a Datsun L Moor shop,

But I would be out of Bussiness cause the Datsun guys have no money or wont come back after I give them a price or $ dollars a hr for labor. But I say but the good parts. That right there kills them.

As for shops its a hard one. I have to admit your best bet is find a shop that works only on those cars . But those cars are few and far between for a shop to stay in business.

A sgop that fix a Yugo to a Landrover 110 they are good if they exist.

Even dealerships you think your safe but they give it to a kid doing his apprenticeship and your risking that also.. Example a 510 buddy went to the Ford Dealership to have his F250 worked on and they did a tire change. Kid didn't put all the lug nuts on correctly on a wheel and the wheel fell off. Rim was gouged and they bought him all new rims in case that rim was now faulty and didn't want to risk something happening later. Im sure they didn't make any money on this maint procedure.

[datzenmike]

Well like I said you pay to have something done you expect it to be done right. Dealerships are the worst places. Mechanics can't make a living there because of competition between them and the owner overhead. What you get is the fastest not the bestest. 

 

I had something done on my '79 Cutlass. It was a muffler chain like Speedy. I forget what, maybe a leaking brake line?.... but they started taking off all the wheels, so I tell the owner WTF~!!! he says a free inspection. I tell him I don't want it messed with and take it down. Too late. So I'm paying the bill later, pissed right off and I get this estimate of almost $400 for stuff that needed doing and an additional $200 worth for things that are in need of attention and I tell him I don't care and it was a waste of time. So he says the master cylinder is leaking and by law he can't let me leave without fixing it. I check and it's the fluid I spilled topping it up and I tell him but he don't want to believe me. I start yelling and threaten to call the police and he eventually puts the wheels on and I leave. I had that car for years after that and drove it across Canada to the west cost problem free. Fucking crooks.  

[Stoffregen Motorsports]

I sold a truck (1980 F150) to a neighbor back in the late '90s. He had to have it "checked out" by a mechanic for him to feel good about the purchase (selling price, a whopping $1700). That mechanic told him the motor was too modified to pass smog. Because it had a lumpy idle, he assumed it had a big cam (why the fuck would I put a big cam in a 2wd 1/2 ton long bed?). The neighbor came yelling at me telling me he was going to get a lawyer and sue me for his money back...

 

Long story short, Fords of that era had lots of vacuum lines, so many that they used vacuum manifolds all over the place. One of them was cracked. I replaced the manifold for $1.65 and it ran great. The neighbor apologized and told me which shop it was. I actually went and confronted the shop owner to tell him how much trouble he caused me for a vacuum tee. He was trying to make a buck. So yes, shady shops do exist.

 

I do detest having to tell a shop how to do the work, or even worse, fixing what they fucked up. On e recommendation, I brought a truck to a local car audio shop (trying to get ahead and share the work load) and had to re-do a lot of their wiring. They even mounted the alarm head unit with zip ties. When I confronted them about their work I almost felt bad. I know my standards are high, and I learned from that one. Learned that I need to be very specific when having someone do a job. So that one's on me...I guess.

 

What would you call your shop, Hainz? Gerwaiian L motors?

[banzai510(hainz)]

This is my shop dealing with New Ratsun owners

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[datzenmike]

I'd tell them, for an hour of mechanic's rate get a few tools and a FSM. Leave the manual on the counter in the shitter and read it religiously every morning to relax their sphincter. Any questions go to Ratsun.net. 

 

Copper wire was invented in the late 1830s by two Datsun owners fighting over a penny they found. This led to it's use and the development of the telegraph 10 years later and this technological revolution began because of Datsuns.

[john510]

8 hours ago, datzenmike said:

Well like I said you pay to have something done you expect it to be done right. Dealerships are the worst places. Mechanics can't make a living there because of competition between them and the owner overhead. What you get is the fastest not the bestest. 

 

I had something done on my '79 Cutlass. It was a muffler chain like Speedy. I forget what, maybe a leaking brake line?.... but they started taking off all the wheels, so I tell the owner WTF~!!! he says a free inspection. I tell him I don't want it messed with and take it down. Too late. So I'm paying the bill later, pissed right off and I get this estimate of almost $400 for stuff that needed doing and an additional $200 worth for things that are in need of attention and I tell him I don't care and it was a waste of time. So he says the master cylinder is leaking and by law he can't let me leave without fixing it. I check and it's the fluid I spilled topping it up and I tell him but he don't want to believe me. I start yelling and threaten to call the police and he eventually puts the wheels on and I leave. I had that car for years after that and drove it across Canada to the west cost problem free. Fucking crooks.  

The dealership is actually the safest place to go Mike.The small guys are the ones you have to be careful with.Bottom line is you just think no mechanic is worthy.

[datzenmike]

You'll never convince me of that. They don't make enough from sales, have sky high overhead and the factory parts they get for half what they charge. Huge incentive to push unnecessary parts and work on you. Never found an honest mechanic yet... their wives make them go back to school and learn a job, or divorce them if they don't starve to death first.