destruction of america

[thisismatt]

49 minutes ago, Logical1 said:

To the topic of book banning, I don't think any book should be banned, even one that details how to build a nuclear weapon. I just hope that kids are still reading! I read the anarchist cookbook, the big book of mischief, and just about every book on the 'banned' list. So far I still like women (maybe overly so) and have never committed a violent crime. 

 

Ignorance is an enemy, even to its owner. Knowledge is a friend, even to its hater. Ignorance hates knowledge because it is too pure. Knowledge fears ignorance because it is too sure.

 

There's a difference between book banning and age-appropriate material selection/limitation in public schools.  I'm sorry, but if you can't follow that thought stream then there's no hope for a discussion. Calling it banning is just a way to get people divisive about the topic, like the so-called "don't say gay" bill.

[Logical1]

6 minutes ago, thisismatt said:

There's a difference between book banning and age-appropriate material selection/limitation in public schools.  I'm sorry, but if you can't follow that thought stream then there's no hope for a discussion. Calling it banning is just a way to get people divisive about the topic, like the so-called "don't say gay" bill.

 

I apologize for being brief and differing to the term 'banning'. In my opinion, if ANYONE can read they should have access to the entirety of literature available. If we are focusing on children then it is up to the parents to explain the conations and examples within. 

[thisismatt]

10 minutes ago, Logical1 said:

 

I apologize for being brief and differing to the term 'banning'. In my opinion, if ANYONE can read they should have access to the entirety of literature available. If we are focusing on children then it is up to the parents to explain the conations and examples within. 

Children need appropriate supervision for their age, no matter how good of a parent you may be. The carrot should not be dangled in front of them. The way you say it makes it sound like you're okay with hardcore pornography being made available to them in a public school.

[Logical1]

Just now, thisismatt said:

Children need appropriate supervision for their age, no matter how good of a parent you may be. The carrot should not be dangled in front of them. The way you say it makes it sound like you're okay with hardcore pornography being made available to them in a public school.

Hardcore pornography is forced on us with every billboard, television commercial, & social media platform. So far my grade school kids haven't showed any interest in 50 shades of gray.

[a.d._510_n_ok]

47 minutes ago, datzenmike said:

Banning is pretty much the same as book burning. Another thing to add to my list of symptoms of a civilization in decline.

 

goddamned fascists! Hang the lot of them!

[Logical1]

Let me clarify by saying that I do not think explicit content like 50 shades of gray or Mein Kampf should be advertised/promoted in the grade school library, only that no knowledge should be forbidden.

[Logical1]

Timing is everything!

[paradime]

3 minutes ago, thisismatt said:

Children need appropriate supervision for their age, no matter how good of a parent you may be. The carrot should not be dangled in front of them. The way you say it makes it sound like you're okay with hardcore pornography being made available to them in a public school.

 

I think there's logic in both perspectives, but it's not productive to elevate things to the extreme where there is no middle ground. One side sees it through the religious moral lens of any literature having to do with gender fluidity and nonbinary sexual relationships is obscene and pornographic. The other sees it through the secular moral lens of open acceptance of an individual sexual freedom. Why should one side be able to decide what's morally right for the other? IMO, the only policy that makes sense is respecting both and giving parental control over what literature their child can access from the library.

 

Personally, I don't want my kids growing up ignorant of anything they want to learn about. I grew up religious conservative, but I was never "protected" from exploring alternative thoughts and perspectives. At 6 yrs old, I didn't need hardcore pornography to become the neighborhood gynecologist. It's an interest that came naturally to me, and I knew I was on to something when the girls sought out my services. I can't say the same for the parents who caught wind of it and shut my office down. To their credit, my parents didn't flip out and lock me in a chastity belt. They helped me understand the bigger picture of sexual behavior and to respecting other families rules. 

[Logical1]

8 minutes ago, paradime said:

At 6 yrs old, I didn't need hardcore pornography to become the neighborhood gynecologist. It's an interest that came naturally to me, and I knew I was on to something when the girls sought out my services.

 

I cannot stop laughing at this quote, What a legend!

[datzenmike]

2 hours ago, thisismatt said:

 

There's a difference between book banning and age-appropriate material selection/limitation in public schools.  I'm sorry, but if you can't follow that thought stream then there's no hope for a discussion. Calling it banning is just a way to get people divisive about the topic, like the so-called "don't say gay" bill.

 

 

The Miriam Webster Dictionary and Thesaurus Shows 'limitation' is a synonym  of the word 'ban' if used as a noun meaning prohibition.

 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/ban

[thisismatt]

2 hours ago, datzenmike said:

 

 

The Miriam Webster Dictionary and Thesaurus Shows 'limitation' is a synonym  of the word 'ban' if used as a noun meaning prohibition.

 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/ban

People talk of banning books like they won't be available anywhere. Simply not true, just limited from inappropriate places (eg grade school libraries/curriculum). There's a tacit difference - or at least there should be, but the left wing freakshow wants you to think the right are radical book banning fascists.

[john510]

21 hours ago, paradime said:

 So you're ok with Gaven Newsom deciding what our kids should read? Slippery fuck'n slope, got it or do you need more help figuring it out? I'm not viewing this through a narrow political soda straw. Of course I knew damn well what you were saying with who supports "legalizing crime, an unsecure border, or the legalization of hard drugs" but if you're going to call me out for using bias poetic hyperbole, clearly it's game on. John, you should know by now, if you want a simple yes or no answer to a complex issue, you're asking the wrong guy.

No not ok with Newsom,he's deciding the kids SHOULD be reading LGBTQ shit at a young age.And threatening to penalize school districts that won't comply.And again NOT political bias.It's called morals and decency.I'd feel the same way no matter which side was pushing what.How can I possibly make that any clearer ? It just so happens that one side seems to have kept some traditional family values and the other side has tossed them and it shows in today's youth.When parents are being ignored about what they want the kids to learn it's a problem.That guy in Texas isn't forcing indecent material into the classroom.He's doing the opposite and I've heard no complaining about it.You did answer the question by not answering it.Not too tough to figure out.

[Logical1]

For the sake of debate, I am conservative and support the majority of institutions, military, and property rights. However I must say the broken record mudslinging of the leftist/liberal party is puzzling.

51 minutes ago, thisismatt said:

the left wing freakshow wants you to think the right are radical book banning fascists.

 

[john510]

12 minutes ago, Logical1 said:

For the sake of debate, I am conservative and support the majority of institutions, military, and property rights. However I must say the broken record mudslinging of the leftist/liberal party is puzzling.

 

Yes it's very easy to dislike that party.

[Logical1]

 

2 minutes ago, john510 said:

Yes it's very easy to dislike that party.

Couldn't agree more!

[thisismatt]

California Attorney General Rob Bonta announced in a press release Friday that the state will restrict state-funded travel to Missouri, along with Nebraska and Wyoming, as a result of anti-LGBTQIA+ legislation that has been recently enacted in each state.

 

 

[john510]

I'm sure Missouri,Nebraska and Wyoming are devastated.Damn it there goes my political bias again.LOL.

[paradime]

1 hour ago, john510 said:

Yes it's very easy to dislike that party.

Trust me, it's much easier to dislike both.

[datzenmike]

On 7/16/2023 at 7:33 PM, datzenmike said:

Well fuck all politicians, fuck all parties, fuck Trudeau and fuck everything.

 

Still true today

[paradime]

1 hour ago, john510 said:

No not ok with Newsom,he's deciding the kids SHOULD be reading LGBTQ shit at a young age.And threatening to penalize school districts that won't comply.And again NOT political bias.It's called morals and decency.I'd feel the same way no matter which side was pushing what.How can I possibly make that any clearer ? It just so happens that one side seems to have kept some traditional family values and the other side has tossed them and it shows in today's youth.When parents are being ignored about what they want the kids to learn it's a problem.That guy in Texas isn't forcing indecent material into the classroom.He's doing the opposite and I've heard no complaining about it.You did answer the question by not answering it.Not too tough to figure out.

 Because siding with one parties sense of moral decency and not the other's isn't bias? Neither money grubbing party gives a flying shit what books kids are reading. It's the tail wagging the dog pandering for votes, and serving up this red haring for the true believers. 

[john510]

1 minute ago, paradime said:

 Because siding with one parties sense of moral decency and not the other's isn't bias? Neither money grubbing party gives a flying shit what books kids are reading. It's the tail wagging the dog pandering for votes, and serving up this red haring for the true believers. 

This time you didn't call it "political bias"  ? If neither party gave a shit about what kids are reading why the push for certain material in the classroom to be available or not ? I believe somebody cares.

[angliagt]

1 hour ago, thisismatt said:

California Attorney General Rob Bonta announced in a press release Friday that the state will restrict state-funded travel to Missouri, along with Nebraska and Wyoming, as a result of anti-LGBTQIA+ legislation that has been recently enacted in each state.

 

 

     

          With that kind of logic,California should be boycotted by almost everyone.

I wish Newsom would just stick to being governor,not sticking his nose in everyone's

business. 

[thisismatt]

It's funny how "stay out of my bedroom" turned into "I demand to expose you to everything I do in my bedroom".

[paradime]

1 hour ago, john510 said:

This time you didn't call it "political bias"  ? If neither party gave a shit about what kids are reading why the push for certain material in the classroom to be available or not ? I believe somebody cares.

"Political" WTF is the difference and how's this not political? We both know politicians will fuck their grandmother if it gets them votes. why would they give a shit about what kids are reading when they defund schools like children's education was nothing more than a budgetary burden? I follow the money, but you go ahead and believe they care. 

 

[bottomwatcher]

Paradime the gynecologist thing brought back memories. When I was about 8 or 9 I was living in Miami in the late 70s and people put thier trash out on piles in front of thier homes. Everything was in the open so my buddies and I would bike around looking for treasure. We found a copy of "The joy of Sex" and thought we struck gold. We studied the book as a committee and were still confused about the Vagina. Then We got to the anal sex part and got really confused and lost interest. Back to star wars and wacky packs after that. The vagina is still confusing.