Cuz Merica

[KoHeartsGPA]

[Draker]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BYo0Sw8DMV4/

 

"It is not amnesty. It is not immunity. It is not a path to citizenship. It is not permanent. It is temporary." - Obama on DACA

[a.d._510_n_ok]

[dhp123166]

For what reason?

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism

 

Skip the top part to get to the pertinent US portion and the snazzy easy to understand chart.

[dhp123166]

 

You already posted this one a while back.

 

It's funny but maybe try a little harder to find fresh content?

[MikeRL411]

Do what Napoleon did to the rabble. He unloaded grape shot into the rebellious crowd. That put an end to it quickly. When asked how he was handling the situation he said "I gave them a whiff of grape"

 

White supremacists should be on that domestic terrorist list as well.

 

He also rebuilt Paris to have nice straight avenues so as to give the cannons better shots.

[john510]

In this time of national tragedy they have put their differences aside in recognition of the gravity of the situation and I for one applaud their efforts. Now is not the time for buffoonery.

 

I would give this one a "like" but don't want to be accused of having no empathy.

[john510]

Do what Napoleon did to the rabble. He unloaded grape shot into the rebellious crowd. That put an end to it quickly. When asked how he was handling the situation he said "I gave them a whiff of grape"

 

White supremacists should be on that domestic terrorist list as well.

White supremacists will be on that list when they start rioting,vandalizing,burning things down and attacking people that are expressing free speech.Disclaimer,in no way shape or form do i or would i ever support the beliefs of neo-nazi's,skinheads or any other group that shares those same ideas or beliefs.

[VFR800]

I would give this one a "like" but don't want to be accused of having no empathy.

 

I gave it a like for you.  :devil:

[Mattndew76]

White supremacists will be on that list when they start rioting,vandalizing,burning things down and attacking people that are expressing free speech.Disclaimer,in no way shape or form do i or would i ever support the beliefs of neo-nazi's,skinheads or any other group that shares those same ideas or beliefs.

 

See there is an issue with this label now though.

 

If at any point you are contrary to anything the left states or argues then all of the above labels are applied to you. So by virtue of being anything other than the left you are Neo-Nazi.

 

This is the current state of affairs, and its sad that you even have to put a disclaimer on your post stating anything that you are not supporting actual bigotry. 

 

This type of marginalisation is extremely out of hand right now. 

[john510]

See there is an issue with this label now though.

 

If at any point you are contrary to anything the left states or argues then all of the above labels are applied to you. So by virtue of being anything other than the left you are Neo-Nazi.

 

This is the current state of affairs, and its sad that you even have to put a disclaimer on your post stating anything that you are not supporting actual bigotry. 

 

This type of marginalisation is extremely out of hand right now. 

Agreed,that's why i wanted to make it extremely clear.

[dhp123166]

See there is an issue with this label now though.

 

If at any point you are contrary to anything the left states or argues then all of the above labels are applied to you. So by virtue of being anything other than the left you are Neo-Nazi.

 

This is the current state of affairs, and its sad that you even have to put a disclaimer on your post stating anything that you are not supporting actual bigotry. 

 

This type of marginalisation is extremely out of hand right now. 

 

This appears to be somewhat of a derailing statement as Datzenmike stated that "White Supremacists should be on the list too."

 

An attempt by me to show why posted a Wiki link which stated this quite clearly;

 

Right-wing terrorism is terrorism motivated by a variety of ideologies and beliefs, including anti-communism, neo-fascism, neo-Nazism, and a mindset against abortion. This type of terrorism has been sporadic, with little or no international cooperation.^[1] Modern radical right-wing terrorism first appeared in Western Europe in the 1980s and it first appeared in Eastern Europe following the dissolution of the Soviet Union.^[2]

Right-wing terrorists aim to overthrow governments and replace them with nationalist or fascist-oriented regimes.^[1] The core of this movement includes neo-fascist skinheads, far-right hooligans, youth sympathisers and intellectual guides who believe that the state must rid itself of foreign elements in order to protect its rightful citizens.^[3] However, they usually lack a rigid ideology.^[

 

It doesn't say anything about: "If at any point you are contrary to anything the left states or argues then all of the above labels are applied to you." and neither did Datzenmike in his original statement.

 

The Wiki definition is crystal clear on what made it's list and why and although White Supremacists are not mentioned by name, they are in it de facto by the verbiage used.

 

What you are addressing is I believe an outside issue to my cut and dried response to Datzenmikes statement.

 

 

[john510]

I guess i'm a terrorist.I'm anti-communist.

[KoHeartsGPA]

Left-wing terrorism

Page issues

Left-wing terrorism (sometimes called Marxist–Leninist terrorism or revolutionary/left-wing terrorism) is terrorism meant to overthrow conservative or capitalist systems and replace them with Marxist–Leninist, socialist, or Anarchist societies. Left-wing terrorism also occurs within already socialist states as activism against the current ruling government

[KoHeartsGPA]

Everyone is a terrorist per wiki...

[dhp123166]

White supremacists will be on that list when they start rioting,vandalizing,burning things down and attacking people that are expressing free speech.Disclaimer,in no way shape or form do i or would i ever support the beliefs of neo-nazi's,skinheads or any other group that shares those same ideas or beliefs.

 

So murdering people is okay but property damage is not?

 

Expressing free speech that advocates the subjugation of other's is verrry touchy and with good reason. It scares the fuck out of people and can inflame passions.

 

We know what these nazi fuckers want and we know what they will do to get it. History is quite clear on this one.

 

Here is where false equivalency ends; as much as Antifa thinks they are going to start a revolution, it ain't gonna happen, the right has the guns, the training, and the numbers.

 

Antifa is useful in preventing these nazi assholes from getting too much of a foothold.

 

The left will try to smash fascism because the traditional conservative right has shown it will comfortably bend to it.

[racerx]

Terrorism is an equal opportunity employer. Look at Isis, it is not only middle eastern but white, brown, yellow all different shades. If they damage property, hurt, kill, maim, and intimidate with a political aim, yes they are all terrorist.

[Mattndew76]

This appears to be somewhat of a derailing statement as Datzenmike stated that "White Supremacists should be on the list too."

 

An attempt by me to show why posted a Wiki link which stated this quite clearly;

 

Right-wing terrorism is terrorism motivated by a variety of ideologies and beliefs, including anti-communism, neo-fascism, neo-Nazism, and a mindset against abortion. This type of terrorism has been sporadic, with little or no international cooperation.^[1] Modern radical right-wing terrorism first appeared in Western Europe in the 1980s and it first appeared in Eastern Europe following the dissolution of the Soviet Union.^[2]

Right-wing terrorists aim to overthrow governments and replace them with nationalist or fascist-oriented regimes.^[1] The core of this movement includes neo-fascist skinheads, far-right hooligans, youth sympathisers and intellectual guides who believe that the state must rid itself of foreign elements in order to protect its rightful citizens.^[3] However, they usually lack a rigid ideology.^[

 

It doesn't say anything about: "If at any point you are contrary to anything the left states or argues then all of the above labels are applied to you." and neither did Datzenmike in his original statement.

 

The Wiki definition is crystal clear on what made it's list and why and although White Supremacists are not mentioned by name, they are in it de facto by the verbiage used.

 

What you are addressing is I believe an outside issue to my cut and dried response to Datzenmikes statement.

 

 

 

Your perception may guide you that way, and I assure you its not. It is a comment about the accelerated pace and frequency to lump any and everyone into this group to move an ideology forward.

 

Its identity politics and extremely divisive. What's the best way to gather large amounts of people (largely ignorant) to a movement? Call the other group of people trying to debate or have reasonable thought conversations a name associated with the most atrocious acts of a lifetime. 

 

It has happened to me just by virtue of saying someone isnt being reasonable of thought. I was labeled a right wing nazi for bringing a thought out argument upon people who really had zero education in the matter other than what they had seen in meme's or FB posts.

 

Mind you these were people I had known since 1st grade and had daily interaction since this time too. I am 41 so length familiarity was established. I made the argument that we should really try to be very pragmatic about political policy and avoid blanket opinionated influence over everything. I tried to reason that ANTIFA was as much a bad element as Skinheads, and the KKK because they also practiced extreme hatred for people outside of their ranks. 

 

This got me labeled as a Racist Bigot Nazi. 

 

So again this is not to derail. Don't be so quick to think that anyone is siding with an extreme element without them saying so. generally these idiots will gladly volunteer the information. 

 

Its just an obvious observation that it is becoming common place to heap such labels on anyone now to win the culture war. Shits going to get violent soon :(

[a.d._510_n_ok]

The left will try to smash fascism because the traditional conservative right has shown it will comfortably bend to it.

ah. you're a leftist partisan who accepts the doublespeak currently percolating through the mainstream media:

 

antifa = antifascist. these people fight fascists - why! it's the very name of their movement so it must be so. if antifa fight fascists than anyone they attack must be a fascist otherwise they wouldn't have attacked them because antifa is the good guys and would never label someone a fascist simply for disagreeing with them. even if antifa makes a mistake and attacks someone who is not a fascist their motives are pure so they are to be forgiven because these people fight fascists - why! it's the very name of their movement so it must be so.

 

antifa isn't fighting fascists. they're doing their damnedest to silence free speech with violence because their politically correct ideology is being repeatedly defeated in elections.

 

yeah, fuck antifa in their cowardly leftist orifices. if a man must don a mask and engage in violence to advance his ideology he's a pussy who knows he's wrong and would never reveal in polite society the warped world view he so fervently espouses in anonymity.

 

[dhp123166]

Your perception may guide you that way, and I assure you its not. It is a comment about the accelerated pace and frequency to lump any and everyone into this group to move an ideology forward.

 

Its identity politics and extremely divisive. What's the best way to gather large amounts of people (largely ignorant) to a movement? Call the other group of people trying to debate or have reasonable thought conversations a name associated with the most atrocious acts of a lifetime. 

 

It has happened to me just by virtue of saying someone isnt being reasonable of thought. I was labeled a right wing nazi for bringing a thought out argument upon people who really had zero education in the matter other than what they had seen in meme's or FB posts.

 

Mind you these were people I had known since 1st grade and had daily interaction since this time too. I am 41 so length familiarity was established. I made the argument that we should really try to be very pragmatic about political policy and avoid blanket opinionated influence over everything. I tried to reason that ANTIFA was as much a bad element as Skinheads, and the KKK because they also practiced extreme hatred for people outside of their ranks. 

 

This got me labeled as a Racist Bigot Nazi. 

 

So again this is not to derail. Don't be so quick to think that anyone is siding with an extreme element without them saying so. generally these idiots will gladly volunteer the information. 

 

Its just an obvious observation that it is becoming common place to heap such labels on anyone now to win the culture war. Shits going to get violent soon :(

 

Begging to differ, if you are not a Racist Bigot Nazi ( and you know you are not) then what does the original post have to do with you and why do you have to explain yourself to anyone?

 

If you are saying something else entirely then by all means post away, I am trying to be crystalline on this as because along with the increasing amount of identity politics is the increasing amount of false equivalency.

 

If both sides are both sides are an equally bad element someone please post some statistics of left wing murders IN THE USA to illustrate the point.

[a.d._510_n_ok]

Begging to differ, if you are not a Racist Bigot Nazi ( and you know you are not) then what does the original post have to do with you and why do you have to explain yourself to anyone?

 

If you are saying something else entirely then by all means post away, I am trying to be crystalline on this as because along with the increasing amount of identity politics is the increasing amount of false equivalency.

 

If both sides are both sides are an equally bad element someone please post some statistics of left wing murders IN THE USA to illustrate the point.

also, quoting wiki for definitions when literally none of the people antifa has attacked meets wiki's definition of fascist? c'mon now!

 

[dhp123166]

ah. you're a leftist partisan who accepts the doublespeak currently percolating through the mainstream media:

 

antifa = antifascist. these people fight fascists - why! it's the very name of their movement so it must be so. if antifa fight fascists than anyone they attack must be a fascist otherwise they wouldn't have attacked them because antifa is the good guys and would never label someone a fascist simply for disagreeing with them. even if antifa makes a mistake and attacks someone who is not a fascist their motives are pure so they are to be forgiven because these people fight fascists - why! it's the very name of their movement so it must be so.

 

antifa isn't fighting fascists. they're doing their damnedest to silence free speech with violence because their politically correct ideology is being repeatedly defeated in elections.

 

yeah, fuck antifa in their cowardly leftist orifices. if a man must don a mask and engage in violence to advance his ideology he's a pussy who knows he's wrong and would never reveal in polite society the warped world view he so fervently espouses in anonymity.

 

 

I think you made a mistake calling Antifa men, I don't think I have ever seen an old one. They just seem to be flailing children, throwing piss bottles etc.

 

Middle America doesn't like them for the exact reasons you listed, middle America loves order and is quite comfortable following clean cut men with nice haircuts in kahkis and polo shirts.

 

German Nazis in WW2 exploited this characteristic pre war and we can see where it led.

 

American Nazis gotta lotta oldsters though in mismatched military gear and very real military grade weapons.

 

Antifa are no match for them if the real shizznit ever goes down.

[a.d._510_n_ok]

[dhp123166]

also, quoting wiki for definitions when literally none of the people antifa has attacked meets wiki's definition of fascist? c'mon now!

 

No fascists in Charlottesville?

 

Really?

[a.d._510_n_ok]

Antifa are no match for them if the real shizznit ever goes down.

what do you think the numbers are - antifa versus fascists? real fascists. not Trump supporters. you like wiki. by wiki's definition how many fascists do you feel exist for antifa to fight? also, do you believe the press support of antifa is an asset in their battle?