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So I pulled the old head off and noticed there were 3 washers on one of the head bolts. Put the new head on and put the three washers back just like it was, it went in just fine but when I went to torque it down, I stripped a little, so pulled the head back off, cleaned out the threads and tried to chase the threads with a chaser and it wouldn't go in. I tried the bolt again and it's definately stripped. Soo I need a helicoil, but Idk which one to use. Any info on what I should do?

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I think everyone will tell you its well worth the peace of mind. That shit will probably be stronger than the block it self. and you just saw first hand what can happen to helicoils....unless you can get a whole replacement engine for cheaper. go for that!

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I'm not sure you would need an oversize kit since you essentially need to drill it out bigger anyway. Of course the company should be able to answer that for you. But yes.. I agree that $400 is steep for this application. You could buy two complete L20's for that money. On the other hand.... you can repair lots of L20's with this kit.

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Can't you just put another helicoil in, did it strip out what held the helicoil?

What I did was have a helicoil put in by my machinist, then I bought an ARP stud kit(202-4201), have not had an issue since.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ARP-HEAD-STUD-KIT-202-4201-NISSAN-DATSUN-L20-SERIES-4-CYLINDER-12-POINT-NUTS-/380791769659?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item58a8f54a3b&vxp=mtr

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The old air cooled VW's had problems with head studs pulling out of the magnesium case. There was a steel threaded sleeve called a case saver that could be threaded into an oversize threaded hole in the block. They were cheap. Then we would just run the stud into that. They came in m10, which I think is the size and pitch of the bolt or ARP stud kit that Wayno is suggesting. I would also recommend it. Not fucked at all.

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Thanks redeye!

 

I used to buy them from an engine parts distributor in the bay area so I can't advise on where to buy the same, but these from Mcmaster look nice. Especially these: http://www.mcmaster.com/#93715a625/=q6dfrn

 

and these: http://www.mcmaster.com/#96676a320/=q6dhim

The first one looks nice, but it say in the product description that it's made for soft metals

 

The second one is more what I'm thinking. Is there a reason that the tools to put them in are so expensive? Will a cheap tap the correct size not do the trick? And for the tool to install the insert, why couldnt I just use a bolt?

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If the drawing is accurate, the 2nd one looks to be a buttress thread. The angles of the thread are 7 degrees and 45 degrees. This makes for a strong, pull resistant thread, but requires a special tap. Make sure you get the tap too.

 

I have used the 1st one in aluminum, and those tangs can be a bitch.

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Holy dick and balls the whole kit is $400 or more!

Check out 'Keenserts'. The tooling department where I work use them all the time (SAE but metric is available). They are solid and have little tangs on the periphery that drive in after inserted to lock the insert from backing out. Here's a starting point:

 

http://www.repairengineering.com/keensert.html

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyCTh23Z6o0

 

http://www.mcmaster.com/#key-locking-threaded-inserts/=q6n0m2

 

The keenserts have a standard thread on the OD. The hole is just tapped with the proper tap and the insert is screwed in. then the tangs are driven to lock her up.

 

Also, Heli-Coil makes a coil for cases where the original heli-coil strips out. They are called 'Twin-Serts', I believe.

 

Steve

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Check out 'Keenserts'. The tooling department where I work use them all the time (SAE but metric is available). They are solid and have little tangs on the periphery that drive in after inserted to lock the insert from backing out. Here's a starting point:

 

http://www.repairengineering.com/keensert.html

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyCTh23Z6o0

 

http://www.mcmaster.com/#key-locking-threaded-inserts/=q6n0m2

 

The keenserts have a standard thread on the OD. The hole is just tapped with the proper tap and the insert is screwed in. then the tangs are driven to lock her up.

 

Also, Heli-Coil makes a coil for cases where the original heli-coil strips out. They are called 'Twin-Serts', I believe.

 

Steve

Hey thanks Steve! I was looking at those but because the description said they are for soft metals, I didn't want to go with them. I may end up going with them as they are within my price range.

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