1200 brake upgrade mklotz70

[mklotz70]

New pic of kit.  Available.

 

[CGS1948]

 

New pic of kit.  Available.

 

 

Mike, is the price still the same? I may need a set for a sedan.

[mklotz70]

$60 shipped now that they've all been plated. :)

[831Sunny]

i likely alot.. on a side note.. what is the name of that movie.. i seen it a longgg time ago and forgot

[mklotz70]

I'm pretty sure that's Money Pit  ....love that movie :)

[KELMO]

my vote on the movie is "Mr. Mom"....wasn't Tom Hanks in "Money Pit" ?

 

We're getting off topic here..... :poke:

[mklotz70]

Yep! You're absolutely right!!  Love both :)

[dattson510]

Looking for an upgrade on my "stock" B210 struts with coil overs. Will this work on a B210 strut?

[mklotz70]

Morrisun might know off hand.

[Morrisun]

NO! The 1200 brake kit will not work on anything, but a 1200.

The 1200/210 Brake bracket may work, but with coilovers it would depend on the diameter and placement of the spring on the strut tube. It may interfere with 200sx rear rotor that is used with that brake conversion. And the size of the wheel and the backspacing or offset comes into play and yes it will widen the front track width about 1/2" or the thickness of the two rotor hats.

[datsunfreak]

Looking for an upgrade on my "stock" B210 struts with coil overs. Will this work on a B210 strut?

 

FWIW, the B210 strut/brakes combo is very similar to a 510, and nothing like a 1200. I'd be looking that direction first. Of course, most 510 guys swap in 280ZX struts, so...

[dattson510]

I'm looking that direction now datsunfreak. But I don't want to swap to ZX struts due to the fact that I've already put coil overs on my stock B210 struts.

[datsunfreak]

I don't want to swap to ZX struts due to the fact that I've already put coil overs on my stock B210 struts.

 

I definitely understand not wanting to do it twice.  B)

[Morrisun]

Everything these days get an upgrade and does this 1200 brake kit. I talked this over with Mike Klotz, and DaveC as been running this change on his #24 coupe...             82-88 200sx rear rotor on left (pair #18.2) and 89-98 240sx rotor on the right, (pair #15.5) # 2.7 lighter!

               10mm rotor thickness on the left and 9mm on the right Protoype green brackets

Hat is .5 mm shorter- but plenty of clearance.

                                           REAR_ 89-98 240sx NON-ABS rotors.

89-98 240sx brake hoses,from ebay for less than $50.00 for 4. This set allows the choice of running calipers either in Leading or Trailing positions This is done by switching struts from side to side for mounting calipers in Leading position. The 240sx rotors are lighter, more plentiful and cost less than-$55.00-$65.00 a pair drilled and slotted.

[Creepy Cruiser]

Nice.

[rgjt405]

Anyone know of how to effectively setup disc brakes for the rear on a Datsun 1200 using the 240SX rotors?

One would think that a similar type bracket would be required for the rear axle hub after removing the rear backing cover plate.

Any suggestions would be welcomed.

 

BTW, the front disc bracket, calipers and rotors suggested on this forum works absolutely great.  It makes a world of difference. :thumbup:

 

 

 

[mklotz70]

Thanks! I'm glad you like the front setup.  Morrisun would have more info than I about the rears.  We may get to them someday. :)

[CGS1948]

Everything these days get an upgrade and does this 1200 brake kit. I talked this over with Mike Klotz, and DaveC as been running this change on his #24 coupe...             82-88 200sx rear rotor on left (pair #18.2) and 89-98 240sx rotor on the right, (pair #15.5) # 2.7 lighter!

               10mm rotor thickness on the left and 9mm on the right Protoype green brackets

Hat is .5 mm shorter- but plenty of clearance.

                                           REAR_ 89-98 240sx NON-ABS rotors.

89-98 240sx brake hoses,from ebay for less than $50.00 for 4. This set allows the choice of running calipers either in Leading or Trailing positions This is done by switching struts from side to side for mounting calipers in Leading position. The 240sx rotors are lighter, more plentiful and cost less than-$55.00-$65.00 a pair drilled and slotted.

 

 

It appears that the earlier style rotor is slightly thicker, being less prone to warping, especially after doing a cleanup cut.  Is the later style available in slotted only? Do you know where the later style is manufactured?

 

---Craig

[Morrisun]

This brake upgrade is design for small bore engines being run in 1200 coupes and sedans. The 240sx rear rotors were purchased off of ebay from California company, Brake labs, where they get them manufactured don't know and don't care it's a 1650 lbs car. Advance brake technology has slotted only rear rotors.

 

  If you are concerned about rotors warping of the original 200sx rotors, NOBODY has reported or hinted that such problems have come-up and 2 guys race the brake mod on vintage 1200 race cars. IF you are considering this brake mod kit for a large bore-V6 or V8 this is NOT for you! You will need vented rotors and need to look elsewhere!

[Morrisun]

Making a brake kit for the rear axle has been talked about and certainty  considered. The challenge is the emergency brake. Finding a rear caliper, that fits solid rear rotor, with an e-brake that does not cost $70.00 each is what has slowed down the process. Plus the amount of room available to mount the caliper-both leading and trailing positions- in stock forum is not much. Most of us lower the rear of the car by flipping the springs ( I used this method ) OR using lowering blocks, either way further reduces the space for the caliper to clear the "frame". Point B- you are the first one to ask about this mod and as Mike and I have discussed " is there a demand for this brake kit?" Making one or two kits is way expensive, if there is a demand by for 10-20 kits, yes then MAY look into it, it's an expensive upgrade and perhaps not worth the $$'s for the street. Most racer are not concerned about an e-brake, many different front calipers could be considered, at much reduced cost.

[CGS1948]

This brake upgrade is design for small bore engines being run in 1200 coupes and sedans. The 240sx rear rotors were purchased off of ebay from California company, Brake labs, where they get them manufactured don't know and don't care it's a 1650 lbs car. Advance brake technology has slotted only rear rotors.

 

  If you are concerned about rotors warping of the original 200sx rotors, NOBODY has reported or hinted that such problems have come-up and 2 guys race the brake mod on vintage 1200 race cars. IF you are considering this brake mod kit for a large bore-V6 or V8 this is NOT for you! You will need vented rotors and need to look elsewhere!

 

 

Some of these pieces are made in China, so I DO care where they are made!!! The metallurgy MAY be inferior to a Japanese or other piece. I also care how they would perform on my car, which would weigh about 1950-2000Lbs with 10"x2" rear drums, and would be street/highway driven. I have run non-vented rotors for years, and have had 0 problems with them EXCEPT when they get close to minimum thickness tolerance.  

[goes2fast]

Some of these pieces are made in China, so I DO care where they are made!!! The metallurgy MAY be inferior to a Japanese or other piece. I also care how they would perform on my car, which would weigh about 1950-2000Lbs with 10"x2" rear drums, and would be street/highway driven. I have run non-vented rotors for years, and have had 0 problems with them EXCEPT when they get close to minimum thickness tolerance.  

Why is your car so heavy?

[CGS1948]

Why is your car so heavy?

 

I weigh 400Lbs  :rofl:  J/K!!! , a 424 lb engine, opposed to a 192 lb engine + slightly heavier trans, and rearend. I may go to a 280ZX front strut assembly to give me a better choice of brakes, as well as a slightly narrower track.

[goes2fast]

What engine do you have? I want to put a CA18DET in mine, but don't know if I will ever be able to afford it. :crying:

[CGS1948]

What engine do you have? I want to put a CA18DET in mine, but don't know if I will ever be able to afford it. :crying:

 

 

I was going to use a  Supra 2JZ, but with the twin turbo, weighs in at over 500 lbs. I am planning on using a mild alloy head SBF with a C4. The 2JZ is also very expensive to do---more than I want to spend. The CA18 sounds like it would be a good setup, and would only add just under a 100 lbs to your front end.You could help offset the additional weight by moving your battery to the trunk, and using an aluminum radiator.