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36 minutes ago, paradime said:

Trump's "greatest economy ever" was propped up by inheriting a strong one from Obama, and 0% prime interest rates to dig us out of Bush's Baked Bean disaster. After a global bank, mortgage, and real estate collapse, bitch ass whiners complained the economic recovery wasn't fast enough, and never stopped, even when it came back stronger than Bush's. The same economically ignorant twats are belly aching about the recovery after a global pandemic as if Biden created it. 

 

To your knowledge? Okay, starting from the bottom. Lower income earners were not effected by Trump's tax cuts for the rich, but got fucked on the back end. With less tax revenue they got less in support. Mr. T's budget cuts were in public health care, food assistance, low income housing and home energy assistance, assistance for people with disabilities, funding to states for for low-income families, federal grants and loans to make college more affordable, cut non-defense programs as a whole, and cock blocked a federal minimum wage. All what you call "pissing it away on meaningless crap". I don't think you'd see it that way if you needed it to survive. That's not a win for them.

 

To the middle. By reducing deductions for real estate taxes, Trump's tax cuts screwed millions of mid class homeowners and gave corporations a $680 billion windfall on the back end. Currently, with the mortgage interest deduction the homeowner/occupier can deduct interest on up to $750K of principal, and will revert to $1 mil after 2025. In 2018, only 4% in the 50th %tile $37K to $50K income bracket claimed the deduction, and received less than 1% of the tax expenditure’s benefits. The 98th %tile over $200K to $1 mil bracket made 34% of the claims and took over 60% of the benefits. 

 

Now to the top 0.1%tile who's benefited the most. Since Trump's tax cuts for the rich took effect, their net worth has nearly doubled, while the median 50th%tile's net worth (inflation adjusted) has been flat or fallen since the 1950s. So who's getting fucked, and who's doing the fucking?

 

Calling you out on this. If you can say it you can back it up with CLEAN NON BIAS EVIDENCE, no youtube and corporate liberal news dont count. Because honestly I can write an article or 2 with mind melting levels of macro statistical bullshit and sell it to my politically leaning media knowing less than 2% of my reader base will reach the end and only 25% of them can decipher a meaningful conclusion so long as the meat and and potatoes of the article makes the other political figure look bad. Youtube is a great place to get skull fucked into obedient submission if you dont take the time to validate it. What You need to take away from this is it has to get past the HOUSE and that was LED BY PELOSI during his time in office but nice try my windy liberal pal.

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7 minutes ago, tr8er said:

 

Reminder that Donald Trump was found to be a sexual abuser by a jury of his peers in May 2023. Then, when Trump twice appealed the ruling claiming he was “only” a sexual abuser and not rapist, the judge twice clarified that he was a rapist according to the common and federal law definitions of rape.

 

Trump has a long standing relationship with Epstein and Maxwell that involved trafficking women, using his clubs as recruitment centers: https://youtu.be/ZqBQQVoDjdE?si=9su3QMXfjYOAL10R

 

6 lawsuits filed against Trump for sexual abuse, 15 public allegations of sexual abuse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

 

Trump ruled a sexual abuser, with his appeal filings clarifying he is a rapist: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/e-jean-carroll-scores-another-victory-after-winning-a-sex-abuse-and-defamation-lawsuit-against-trump, https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-dis-crt-sd-new-yor/114642632.html

 

Trump goes into teen’s dressing rooms before pageants: https://youtu.be/dIO7w7ea0Pk?si=EgKN-JDePWwvxyYD, https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-former-miss-arizona-tasha-dixon-naked-undressed-backstage-howard-stern-a7357866.html

 

Trump creeps and fondles teens at beauty pageants. https://youtu.be/hE9bVL9skIo?si=Z5gb6j3I_u3o7XlF

 

Trump brags about sexual assault on women in Access Hollywood recording: https://youtu.be/fYqKx1GuZGg?si=0949XhKvcYMKbnH-

 

Trump frequently seen with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/donald-trump-and-jeffrey-epstein-partied-together-then-an-oceanfront-palm-beach-mansion-came-between-them/2019/07/31/79f1d98c-aca0-11e9-a0c9-6d2d7818f3da_story.html, https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/07/21/heres-every-time-donald-trump-and-ghislaine-maxwell-have-been-photographed-together/, https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/01/jeffrey-epstein-and-donald-trump-epic-bromance

 

Trump frequently flies with Jeffrey Epstein: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/22/jeffrey-epsteins-black-book-trump-clintons-prince-andrew.html, https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article256740662.html, https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/ghislaine-maxwell-epstein-donald-trump-flight-logs-b1980802.html

 

Trump makes incestuous comments about his daughter: https://forward.com/schmooze/357185/7-creepy-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-ivanka/, https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/161012102650-ivanka-sits-on-trump.jpg?c=original

 

Trump creeps on Lindsey Lohan and Paris Hilton when they were children, and he claims to share Epstein’s taste: https://youtu.be/qQ5k2ybieXU?si=B2FcNoqy4k-D_mUk
 

 

 

here’s a fun list that I’ve not fully vetted, so have at the shredding of the  credibility.  

 Its all left news and youtube. There ya go. Vetted. Fake news but the people who brought you pussy hats and tampons in the boys bathroom and 643,219 genders. 

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1 hour ago, jbirds510 said:

Thank you SO MUCH for your reply. It brings me much joy to point out a few things about you and society. The fist paragraph above confirms you cant be bothered to know your “enemy”. Trump went over all of it his economic plan, you know, offsets but instead  of using your time to actually know the man and his plans and goals you chose to look for pics of his dick, as seen above. Its ok brother i suspect most folks with TDS think about his nether parts so atleast you aren't alone. I wouldnt have mentioned it but its not the first time on this thread. 
  second part, I wont speak for others but I was taught money management and fiscal accountability. No one gave it to me, i sought the knowledge, funded the process and learned how to not let the government quietly let me fuck myself in April each year. ANYONE can do this. I own my home, not a bank, I have no debt and I dont even have a full time job. Anyone can do it, thats the AMERICAN DREAM, but theres a key word in that sentence. “Do it”. People like to point at others but in reality we are only accountable to ourselves. I have every reason to be proud. I support leaders who support my values and unlike you I open mindedly consider all options before I decide. Trump/vance wins. 
 Lastly and frankly my favorite, “oh to have the tax problems of the rich”. You never had a shot. You simply lack the faculties to grow on that scale. However as weve seen you dont lack the ability to knock better men so can still love yourself. 

 

First I never mentioned little hands in my comment, you always do this, bring in extraneous shit when you are bitching about my comments. I was replying to your comment: 'maximizing their beneficial choices by playing the game' to wit: Tax revenue would drop causing a shortfall that (presumably) would need to be fixed with more tax, which seems reasonable and true, and second, many don't make nearly enough to gain a worthwhile advantage.

 

“oh to have the tax problems of the rich”.... You didn't even bother to quote properly in your rush to attack me and make a judgement. So here it is:

 

6 hours ago, datzenmike said:

 

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At one time I would love to be taxed at my bosses rate. It would mean I was making six figures. Everything in my life would be commensurate with my income. Big house, several cars, vacation home, trophy wife, mistress... Sure I would not like 50% tax (or what ever it is) but that still leaves $350,000 left to me!!!  That's still better than making $56,000 and taxed at 20%. Oh to have the tax problems of the rich!!!

 

Making a half million and loosing half to taxes is better than making fifty thousand and loosing ten of it. See the difference? It's just a view.

 

My favorite is: 'However as weve seen you dont lack the ability to knock better men so can still love yourself.' Nothing in that post 'knocks better men' so again bringing in outside crap to sling in your post. Just so I'm clear who are the 'better men'? Jesus don't tell me you mean those disgusting creatures 45 and vance!!!! Perhaps you include yourself?? so you can feel better.

 

Knocking politicians is what we do here. It's what I do here. Next to baseball? and Wheel of Fortune, it's America's Game. That statue is great satire. If anyone is offended it just shows that you would never survive as a politician, and that's a good thing?

 

 

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14 minutes ago, jbirds510 said:

Calling you out on this. If you can say it you can back it up with CLEAN NON BIAS EVIDENCE, no youtube and corporate liberal news dont count. Because honestly I can write an article or 2 with mind melting levels of macro statistical bullshit and sell it to my politically leaning media knowing less than 2% of my reader base will reach the end and only 25% of them can decipher a meaningful conclusion so long as the meat and and potatoes of the article makes the other political figure look bad. Youtube is a great place to get skull fucked into obedient submission if you dont take the time to validate it. What You need to take away from this is it has to get past the HOUSE and that was LED BY PELOSI during his time in office but nice try my windy liberal pal.

Pelosi is loaded as are the majority of those voting.  This is an issue of class separation, not a clear political line.  

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20 minutes ago, tr8er said:

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“Reminder that Donald Trump was found to be a sexual abuser by a jury of his peers in May 2023. Then, when Trump twice appealed the ruling claiming he was “only” a sexual abuser and not rapist, the judge twice clarified that he was a rapist according to the common and federal law definitions of rape.

 

Trump has a long standing relationship with Epstein and Maxwell that involved trafficking women, using his clubs as recruitment centers: https://youtu.be/ZqBQQVoDjdE?si=9su3QMXfjYOAL10R

 

6 lawsuits filed against Trump for sexual abuse, 15 public allegations of sexual abuse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

 

Trump ruled a sexual abuser, with his appeal filings clarifying he is a rapist: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/e-jean-carroll-scores-another-victory-after-winning-a-sex-abuse-and-defamation-lawsuit-against-trump, https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-dis-crt-sd-new-yor/114642632.html

 

Trump goes into teen’s dressing rooms before pageants: https://youtu.be/dIO7w7ea0Pk?si=EgKN-JDePWwvxyYD, https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-former-miss-arizona-tasha-dixon-naked-undressed-backstage-howard-stern-a7357866.html

 

Trump creeps and fondles teens at beauty pageants. https://youtu.be/hE9bVL9skIo?si=Z5gb6j3I_u3o7XlF

 

Trump brags about sexual assault on women in Access Hollywood recording: https://youtu.be/fYqKx1GuZGg?si=0949XhKvcYMKbnH-

 

Trump frequently seen with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/donald-trump-and-jeffrey-epstein-partied-together-then-an-oceanfront-palm-beach-mansion-came-between-them/2019/07/31/79f1d98c-aca0-11e9-a0c9-6d2d7818f3da_story.html, https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/07/21/heres-every-time-donald-trump-and-ghislaine-maxwell-have-been-photographed-together/, https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/01/jeffrey-epstein-and-donald-trump-epic-bromance

 

Trump frequently flies with Jeffrey Epstein: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/22/jeffrey-epsteins-black-book-trump-clintons-prince-andrew.html, https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article256740662.html, https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/ghislaine-maxwell-epstein-donald-trump-flight-logs-b1980802.html

 

Trump makes incestuous comments about his daughter: https://forward.com/schmooze/357185/7-creepy-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-ivanka/, https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/161012102650-ivanka-sits-on-trump.jpg?c=original

 

Trump creeps on Lindsey Lohan and Paris Hilton when they were children, and he claims to share Epstein’s taste: https://youtu.be/qQ5k2ybieXU?si=B2FcNoqy4k-D_mUk
 

 

 

here’s a fun list that I’ve not fully vetted, so have at the shredding of the  credibility.  

 

8 minutes ago, jbirds510 said:

 Its all left news and youtube. There ya go. Vetted. Fake news but the people who brought you pussy hats and tampons in the boys bathroom and 643,219 genders. 

 

You would have been farther ahead to not have replied, like you missed it or something. Saying 'left news' is so pathetic a side step of an answer. Trump is a pig.

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2 hours ago, jbirds510 said:

Did you know CUNT is an acronym? If you didnt, it stands for cant understand normal thinking. There was an old timer in my life I enjoyed listening to, the best stories. He once said to me, “ I used to have a pal, stan was his name. Stan enjoyed letting me know who would talk shit about me and after a lot of years I began to wonder why they always told him.” Looong pause after that and a raised eyebrow in my direction.” It dawned on me that my pal Stan wasnt really my pal at all, in fact he was likely the conversation starter around my name”. I think of this when Mike quotes or parrots MSM. Mike’s an outsider and an instigator with nothing better to do than rile us up for his entertainment. Today hes even gone far enough

to offend others who lean more his way as seen above. Tr8tor, we dont always see eye to eye but i respect you mentioning mikes distasteful post. It also reminds me we aren't enemies but rather those who created hard enough times for our differing to really matter.

 

Don't be daft. I asked for proof they are not true and this is the answer??? There is nothing there but denial of the facts and side stepping. Are you riled up? Only YOU can do that.

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1 minute ago, tr8er said:

Pelosi is loaded as are the majority of those voting.  This is an issue of class separation, not a clear political line.  

I agree. But she either let it through to be used against him later or she F’d up and wasnt doing her job as a stop check. Either way its unfair to name Trump exclusively at fault without being negligent or willfully deceptive in the point hes trying to make. An inherently liberal type of information transfer. The very reason I no longer support the democrats. RFK Jr said it best when he said the party his dad and uncle were proudly a part of they wouldn’t even recognize today. 

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4 minutes ago, tr8er said:

Pelosi is loaded as are the majority of those voting.  This is an issue of class separation, not a clear political line.  

Pelosi is loaded because she's insider trading and getting away with it. She picks stocks and times things better than Warren Buffett. I'd love to see her and any other politician participating go to jail.

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2 hours ago, jbirds510 said:

... Mike’s an outsider and an instigator with nothing better to do than rile us up for his entertainment. Today hes even gone far enough

to offend others who lean more his way as seen above...

 

Outsider??? I'm not American, does that make all non-American members outsiders? I'm sure they will like hearing that from you. Riled? because I asked anyone to refute my claims against Trump and no one has yet. Riled because your best shot was to say fake news like a good little MAGA was taught?

 

Offend others? Well HTF would you know that? Make it up like Trump makes shit up. You'll just have to come to terms with the way things are about Donny Small Hands.

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46 minutes ago, jbirds510 said:

Thats rich! Your ass has posted over FOUR THOUSAND TIMES on this thread, its you that should take a day once in a while to stfu

 

That's very true and as to 'taking a break' I didn't post anything Sept 7th and probably the 8th and for sure a few days in the previous two weeks. stfu? probably not I'd loose my 'entertainment'.

 

... thanks for that last hour.

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57 minutes ago, jbirds510 said:

 Its all left news and youtube. There ya go. Vetted. Fake news but the people who brought you pussy hats and tampons in the boys bathroom and 643,219 genders. 

 

...........thank you for that!! 😎

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38 minutes ago, datzenmike said:

 

Outsider??? I'm not American, does that make all non-American members outsiders? I'm sure they will like hearing that from you. Riled? because I asked anyone to refute my claims against Trump and no one has yet. Riled because your best shot was to say fake news like a good little MAGA was taught?

 

Offend others? Well HTF would you know that? Make it up like Trump makes shit up. You'll just have to come to terms with the way things are about Donny Small Hands.

Yep, Canadian is outside our boarders. Thought that was a given. You want a refute, fair. Denied corporate sponsorship. Game changer for me. I flipped at that moment. Think it was robin williams who said they should be like nascar wear the sponsors on their uniforms.

😂 good little maga? Gonna have to try harder than that bro, America runs the world, its my home, my nation, my pride, not to be confused with my government. The failing is epic on both sides and Trump rubs noses in it. I served my country, my dues are paid, i of course want the best for my country. I make no attempt to hide im a nationalist, I can get behind America first, it would be a nice change. Frankly I agree with you Id be a terrible leader because half my flock would hate me. Id steer us toward isolationism until we get our house in order. Youd certainly call me tiny hands and pig and id have to make the obligatory trip up to your island so you could see my junk.

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25 minutes ago, jbirds510 said:

Calling you out on this. If you can say it you can back it up with CLEAN NON BIAS EVIDENCE, no youtube and corporate liberal news dont count. Because honestly I can write an article or 2 with mind melting levels of macro statistical bullshit and sell it to my politically leaning media knowing less than 2% of my reader base will reach the end and only 25% of them can decipher a meaningful conclusion so long as the meat and and potatoes of the article makes the other political figure look bad. Youtube is a great place to get skull fucked into obedient submission if you dont take the time to validate it. What You need to take away from this is it has to get past the HOUSE and that was LED BY PELOSI during his time in office but nice try my windy liberal pal.

 

You're not the first Trumpster to cry LIBERAL!!! for an old school conservative who uses critical thinking. You want links to my sources when none of you guys bitching at me can't even find a link to back up your BS claims.

 

https://itep.org/the-mortgage-interest-deduction-is-a-house-of-cards/

https://taxfoundation.org/blog/mortgage-interest-deduction-tcja/

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WFRBLTP1246

https://donnellonlaw.com/blog/which-tax-bracket-benefited-most-from-the-trump-tax-cut/

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R46685

https://www.propublica.org/article/trumps-trillion-dollar-hit-to-homeowners

https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/how-did-tcja-change-standard-deduction-and-itemized-deductions

 

 

 

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America's fine, people are ok (though there are a lot of wasted skin in any society) it's the POS politicians I don't care for and by extension some of their minions. I meant it takes a certain kind of human? to be a politician. The best would be sociopaths. I expect a politician to be the best of us, the best of the best. Sadly...

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8 minutes ago, paradime said:

I clicked on every one of those. Are you telling us you read all of that ? What's bullshit about my claim I got a tax cut ? What's bullshit that it's better than the alternative ? Do we really need a link to prove I got a tax cut ? Would a Biden tax cut be more appropriate for you ? The rich are rich because they worked harder and took more risk than most of us would be comfortable with. Why is it a bad thing somebody got to keep more of THEIR money ?  Biden didn't even reverse Trump's tax policies, why not ? 

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31 minutes ago, paradime said:

I never stopped being a democrat bud, democrats did. They turned into “old school conservatives”. Like you. Which is why its so EASY for you to navigate liberal content…feels oddly familiar. Your party used to fuck us and the libs took notes and applied what theyd learned. Now we have people like me, A LOT of people like me, no party we just have a guy you ALL love to hate. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. In the end it wont matter anyway. The hole is dug and as a society we wait to see what greedy scumbag makes the move that gets us all shoved into it. I dont blame you or Mike really we are all equally responsible for not holding them to a standard. I just REALLY ENJOY sticking my thumb in Mikes ass. He really makes me want to kick the dog sometimes..so I do. He told me this thread is to let off steam. Hear me whistle.

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I'm not responsible for holding them to a (higher?) standard.... I'm an outside, remember?

 

8 minutes ago, jbirds510 said:

 I just REALLY ENJOY sticking my thumb in Mikes ass. He really makes me want to kick the dog sometimes..so I do. He told me this thread is to let off steam. Hear me whistle.

 

Very tempting but I'll settle for those pictures of your junk you offered.

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16 minutes ago, john510 said:

I clicked on every one of those. Are you telling us you read all of that ? What's bullshit about my claim I got a tax cut ? What's bullshit that it's better than the alternative ? Do we really need a link to prove I got a tax cut ? Would a Biden tax cut be more appropriate for you ? The rich are rich because they worked harder and took more risk than most of us would be comfortable with. Why is it a bad thing somebody got to keep more of THEIR money ?  Biden didn't even reverse Trump's tax policies, why not ? 

Because your tax cut was appeasement.  And temporary at that.  The permanent tax cuts were for the top.  Yet our deficit ballooned and our debt increased.  And you pay for that.  Inflation is one of the ways you pay for it.  Our lives are expensive as hell largely because of how much we have borrowed.  And this is not Trumps fault.  Almost all of it was prior administrations.  Specifically, Reagan and both Bush's were the worst as far as timing.  We were on a solid path to being debt free.  Once in debt, it gets harder and harder to dig out of it.  We are spiraling.  Trump doesn't hold the purse strings.  That is congress.  What I do blame him for is his tax plan.  Which I must admit, I highly doubt he wrote even one piece of.  I think he got cliff notes and sat down saying yes, or no.  And that is at most what I expect he did.  Still he takes credit for it, so I'll hold his name to the fire.  It was/is irresponsible to go against the consensus and introduce a tax plan that benefits the rich primarily, opens up loopholes in tax filing, and reduces our federal income while we are fiscally in the red.  We need to attack this from all fronts.  So your little tax cut that you say was better than not having is short sighted and incorrect.  Now we are paying for it.  And we will continue to pay for it until congress gets their shit together.  

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