destruction of america

[Logical1]

I am greatly enjoying how this fire is getting heated up! I will not take sides which seems to be the purpose of this whole thread! However, I personally have no TV, RADIO, STREAMING of ANYKIND! The few youtube videos I go to are for music that are live sets with no commercials thanks to adblock. That being said, I have been taking care of my grandparents (94) for the last year and they have FOX news on from 5am till 9pm EVERYDAY. Talk about the Trump fan club, he can do no wrong from everything I have heard on there. As stated before I am die hard conservative besides killing my unwanted babies and separation of church and state which this country was founded on! I have guns, I want to be left alone, I think LESS government is good, and come from a multi generational military family of patriots. Unfortunately the obsessive nature of many trump zealots is confusing at best if not frightening in the same way both sides seem to claim the same about each being blind. I revel in a good discussion and debate, it just seems like slinging mud and pointing fingers is the only thing accomplished with so many of these posts. 

 

The horse is dead! However, please continue as it is some of the best entertainment I get in this ridiculous liberal state where my Grandparents live! (Washington) 

[john510]

37 minutes ago, Ooph! said:

 

I dunno maybe I'm not being clear again.

You won't acknowledge your own TDS and ignore everything we say.

The image I have of you sitting behind the screen arguing is =-->

 

 

Now that's funny. Ask him what he thinks about adjustable front coil overs vs. cutting a stock spring to lower a 510. You could post a hundred links from Twitter of all the stupid shit Harris has said. It wouldn't matter. Her explanation of Ukraine is a classic example.

Edited August 3 by john510

[IZRL]

7 hours ago, datzenmike said:

I wouldn't vote for either and neither should you or Harris. How can anyone actually live with themselves unless willfully blind? But you go ahead and WTSHTF later I'll say 'I told you so and YOU voted him in'.  

 

 

I said"lair, adulterer, racist, rapist, criminal " so rebut me. Even if true???? Prove this statement wrong. You may think Trump is the greatest thing since sliced bread but he's all that and more. At least admit it.

 

Wish I knew more about Harris but not much is said about her here other than the usual generalized... crap. Trump is a much larger target. Is she secretly a convicted criminal? Has she been recorded saying 'just grab them by the dick'? Has she fucked a male or female porn star and paid them off, all while being married? Does her moral compass point firmly south? Does she sell ridiculous merch to those in her thrall? While she may tell untruths does she do so with ones so easily fact checked? Has she sexually abused anyone? How many court cases has she lost and how many more are pending? How much money does she owe leaving her vulnerable to being manipulated by others? Has she ever mentioned Hannibal Lecter in her deranged speeches? Does she wander off topic, struggle for the correct word and then slur it? Has she flown on Jeffrey's plane? Other than that silly smile and laugh, is she otherwise more creepy?

 

"So Rebut me"? What I need to do is rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ😆.

 

You actually made an argument "FOR" Harris. There's no point in me debating this with you after that. Not even TDS sufferers here in the states have anything good to say about Harris.

 

Edited August 3 by IZRL

[Ooph!]

13 minutes ago, Logical1 said:

I am greatly enjoying how this fire is getting heated up! I will not take sides which seems to be the purpose of this whole thread! However, I personally have no TV, RADIO, STREAMING of ANYKIND! The few youtube videos I go to are for music that are live sets with no commercials thanks to adblock. That being said, I have been taking care of my grandparents (94) for the last year and they have FOX news on from 5am till 9pm EVERYDAY. Talk about the Trump fan club, he can do no wrong from everything I have heard on there. As stated before I am die hard conservative besides killing my unwanted babies and separation of church and state which this country was founded on! I have guns, I want to be left alone, I think LESS government is good, and come from a multi generational military family of patriots. Unfortunately the obsessive nature of many trump zealots is confusing at best if not frightening in the same way both sides seem to claim the same about each being blind. I revel in a good discussion and debate, it just seems like slinging mud and pointing fingers is the only thing accomplished with so many of these posts. 

 

The horse is dead! However, please continue as it is some of the best entertainment I get in this ridiculous liberal state where my Grandparents live! (Washington) 

 

Don't worry it's all for the laughs

[datzenmike]

48 minutes ago, Ooph! said:

 

I dunno maybe I'm not being clear again.

You won't acknowledge your own TDS and ignore everything we say.

The image I have of you sitting behind the screen arguing is =-->

 

 

 

No. And yes, I mostly ignore everything 'we' say unless it's worth an argument over. If I didn't, Destruction would not only be boring with mostly rights agreeing with each other while masturbating with one hand and giving a reach around with the other. The lefties would be keeping their heads down, waiting. The sides are chosen and nothing much changes.

 

 

[datzenmike]

20 minutes ago, john510 said:

Now that's funny. Ask him what he thinks about adjustable front coil overs vs. cutting a stock spring to lower a 510. You could post a hundred links from Twitter of all the stupid shit Harris has said. It wouldn't matter. Her explanation of Ukraine is a classic example.

 

You again over simplify the lowering process. There are home made ways to do things that don't cost anything.

 

If you have some dirt on Harris post it. I can't argue or opine on stuff I don't know about. When everyone posts about how great Trump was and will be someone has to play the devil's advocate and point out that the emperor's not wearing any clothes.

[datzenmike]

17 minutes ago, IZRL said:

"So Rebut me"? What I need to do is rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ😆.

 

You actually made an argument "FOR" Harris. There's no point in me debating this with you after that. Not even TDS sufferers here in the states have anything good to say about Harris.

 

 

So it's resolved that Trump is an undisputed lair, adulterer, racist, rapist, convicted criminal and felon. Thank-you.

 

Didn't even one burst into flames?

 

[datzenmike]

16 minutes ago, Ooph! said:

 

Don't worry it's all for the laughs

 

It IS!!!!! If you can't see the humor, well there's no hope for this world.

 

 

[datzenmike]

35 minutes ago, IZRL said:

 

"So Rebut me"? What I need to do is rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ😆.

 

 

This is signature worthy.

[john510]

I can only imagine what these last five posts say. Jesus .

[datzenmike]

Well stop being a nit wit John and start reading them. Oh, that right. You don't like opinions other than your own.

[frankendat]

17 hours ago, IZRL said:

It's very simple. We've seen what a Trump's America looks like and we've now seen what a Biden/Harris America looks like. I believe I'll take my chances with a second Trump term.

All the bullshit (and I consider rape and racist accusations bullshit) means nothing when the above statement is considered. I don't like Trump, I do not think he is a great leader, President, business man or even an above average human being, but he is not a Democrat.
 

PREMISE The Democrats want to live in an America that I don't want to live in. The Democrats want to strip freedoms I value and if I refuse to kneel, the Democrats will take all my freedom or my life.
 

THEREFORE, I don't care if he raped somebody (but I do not believe he did) I don't care if he is a racist or hates women (but I don't believe he is or does) I will even clarify it a bit more, incontrovertible evidence cannot be found that he is a rapist, racist, or hates women, because it doesn't exist. Direct explusive or damning evidence in this category of crime is extremely rare. The Russians knew this long ago and the same politics have been taking hold in the United States. 

I watched a comedy show recently that accused JD Vance of fucking a couch. Somebody he went to college with said he fucked a couch and the reporters were trying to get JD Vance on record denying or affirming he fucked a couch. If JD Vance even acknowledges the question, then it will not matter whether he did or did not, "couch fucker" will gain momentum and might stick. It is similar to the tactic used by the Russians, which is used by the media, both conservative and liberal, but the liberals hold the upper hand in media.

Did Trump say "grab them by the pussy"? Very likely. Does that make him a "woman hater"? Not in my book. I have said much worse and hated some women. 

Returning to the perfect simple rationale at the start of this post, did Trump's actions during his Presidency promote racism or sexism? No. If it was to Trump's advantage to hire or support a minority, be it race or gender, has he ever given any indication that he would not do it? NO, one thing that cannot be denied by anyone of either side, Trump acts in Trumps best interest, always.

American politics has forced me to itemize and dissect my life into what is of highest importance for survival. I have a much better chance of surviving under Trump then under Harris.

CONCLUSION, I vote for Trump. 

 

Note: This does not make me a "fan boy" or any of the other dismissive adjectives used to demean those who vote for Trump. I am certain, even if (God willing) Trump wins the election, I will continue to have plenty of things to bitch about. I do not support Trump blindly or think the Republicans will solve my problems. BUT, if the Democrats win the election my problems will greatly increase. 

[datzenmike]

 

You can absolutely vote for him and leave it like that, just don't deny or apologize for his actions.

 

 

[Dguy210]

4 minutes ago, frankendat said:

All the bullshit (and I consider rape and racist accusations bullshit) means nothing when the above statement is considered. I don't like Trump, I do not think he is a great leader, President, business man or even an above average human being, but he is not a Democrat.
 

PREMISE The Democrats want to live in an America that I don't want to live in. The Democrats want to strip freedoms I value and if I refuse to kneel, the Democrats will take all my freedom or my life.
 

THEREFORE, I don't care if he raped somebody (but I do not believe he did) I don't care if he is a racist or hates women (but I don't believe he is or does) I will even clarify it a bit more, incontrovertible evidence cannot be found that he is a rapist, racist, or hates women, because it doesn't exist. Direct explusive or damning evidence in this category of crime is extremely rare. The Russians knew this long ago and the same politics have been taking hold in the United States. 

I watched a comedy show recently that accused JD Vance of fucking a couch. Somebody he went to college with said he fucked a couch and the reporters were trying to get JD Vance on record denying or affirming he fucked a couch. If JD Vance even acknowledges the question, then it will not matter whether he did or did not, "couch fucker" will gain momentum and might stick. It is similar to the tactic used by the Russians, which is used by the media, both conservative and liberal, but the liberals hold the upper hand in media.

Did Trump say "grab them by the pussy"? Very likely. Does that make him a "woman hater"? Not in my book. I have said much worse and hated some women. 

Returning to the perfect simple rationale at the start of this post, did Trump's actions during his Presidency promote racism or sexism? No. If it was to Trump's advantage to hire or support a minority, be it race or gender, has he ever given any indication that he would not do it? NO, one thing that cannot be denied by anyone of either side, Trump acts in Trumps best interest, always.

American politics has forced me to itemize and dissect my life into what is of highest importance for survival. I have a much better chance of surviving under Trump then under Harris.

CONCLUSION, I vote for Trump. 

 

Note: This does not make me a "fan boy" or any of the other dismissive adjectives used to demean those who vote for Trump. I am certain, even if (God willing) Trump wins the election, I will continue to have plenty of things to bitch about. I do not support Trump blindly or think the Republicans will solve my problems. BUT, if the Democrats win the election my problems will greatly increase. 

 

Short version:

[datzenmike]

Biden is back in the running again??? WTF???

[Dguy210]

Just now, datzenmike said:

Biden is back in the running again??? WTF???

10 yard penalty for disingenuous statement.

 

Obviously, Kamala is part of the last 4 years and will be a continuation of those ruinous policies.

[frankendat]

3 minutes ago, datzenmike said:

 

You can absolutely vote for him and leave it like that, just don't deny or apologize for his actions.

 

 

I had not heard the actual, now infamous, "grab them by the pussy" speech, and now that I have, I really don't care. It was guys chillin and talking shit. I routinely talk more shit than that. Hell, in the late 80's you could have caught me and the boys singing along to 2Live Crew.

[Dguy210]

1 minute ago, frankendat said:

I had not heard the actual, now infamous, "grab them by the pussy" speech, and now that I have, I really don't care. It was guys chillin and talking shit. I routinely talk more shit than that. Hell, in the late 80's you could have caught me and the boys singing along to 2Live Crew.

 

I don't care about that type of stuff. 

 

Seriously I don't give a shit what he has done personally. I care what he can do for the country. 

Edited August 4 by Dguy210

[frankendat]

 

[john510]

26 minutes ago, frankendat said:

All the bullshit (and I consider rape and racist accusations bullshit) means nothing when the above statement is considered. I don't like Trump, I do not think he is a great leader, President, business man or even an above average human being, but he is not a Democrat.
 

PREMISE The Democrats want to live in an America that I don't want to live in. The Democrats want to strip freedoms I value and if I refuse to kneel, the Democrats will take all my freedom or my life.
 

THEREFORE, I don't care if he raped somebody (but I do not believe he did) I don't care if he is a racist or hates women (but I don't believe he is or does) I will even clarify it a bit more, incontrovertible evidence cannot be found that he is a rapist, racist, or hates women, because it doesn't exist. Direct explusive or damning evidence in this category of crime is extremely rare. The Russians knew this long ago and the same politics have been taking hold in the United States. 

I watched a comedy show recently that accused JD Vance of fucking a couch. Somebody he went to college with said he fucked a couch and the reporters were trying to get JD Vance on record denying or affirming he fucked a couch. If JD Vance even acknowledges the question, then it will not matter whether he did or did not, "couch fucker" will gain momentum and might stick. It is similar to the tactic used by the Russians, which is used by the media, both conservative and liberal, but the liberals hold the upper hand in media.

Did Trump say "grab them by the pussy"? Very likely. Does that make him a "woman hater"? Not in my book. I have said much worse and hated some women. 

Returning to the perfect simple rationale at the start of this post, did Trump's actions during his Presidency promote racism or sexism? No. If it was to Trump's advantage to hire or support a minority, be it race or gender, has he ever given any indication that he would not do it? NO, one thing that cannot be denied by anyone of either side, Trump acts in Trumps best interest, always.

American politics has forced me to itemize and dissect my life into what is of highest importance for survival. I have a much better chance of surviving under Trump then under Harris.

CONCLUSION, I vote for Trump. 

 

Note: This does not make me a "fan boy" or any of the other dismissive adjectives used to demean those who vote for Trump. I am certain, even if (God willing) Trump wins the election, I will continue to have plenty of things to bitch about. I do not support Trump blindly or think the Republicans will solve my problems. BUT, if the Democrats win the election my problems will greatly increase. 

I can agree with most of this. I don't believe Trump raped anybody. Is/was he a man whore ? yes. So what. Look at all the politicians that have been caught over the years. It's part of the job. The thing is Trump wasn't in politics during all of those situations. One of my biggest gripes about the left is they run with and make upshit knowing all along it isn't truth and can't be proven. Is it because they just don't have a platform to run on anymore ? We suck so let's just smear our opposition enough that we get people believing our bullshit stories. I despise those dishonest people and would never consider voting for them until they clean up their act. 

[EDM620]

10 minutes ago, john510 said:

Look at all the politicians that have been caught over the years. It's part of the job.

If an Italian politician, having a mistress or two is to be expected while in office. Definately a perk of the position😜

 

12 minutes ago, john510 said:

I despise those dishonest people

Aren't they all that now? Is there an honest politician out there that actually holds office? IMO Lawyers become politicians because they are so well practiced at lying

[datzenmike]

1 hour ago, john510 said:

I can agree with most of this. I don't believe Trump raped anybody. Is/was he a man whore ? yes. So what. Look at all the politicians that have been caught over the years. It's part of the job. The thing is Trump wasn't in politics during all of those situations. One of my biggest gripes about the left is they run with and make upshit knowing all along it isn't truth and can't be proven. Is it because they just don't have a platform to run on anymore ? We suck so let's just smear our opposition enough that we get people believing our bullshit stories. I despise those dishonest people and would never consider voting for them until they clean up their act. 

 

It goes to character. He disrespected women then, so running for office that behavior changes now???? half the electorate are women. A good percentage of them have husbands that vote. Knowing what he thinks of your women (wives and daughters) will you still vote for him or turn a wilful blind eye? for the good of the country that is.

[john510]

1 hour ago, EDM620 said:

If an Italian politician, having a mistress or two is to be expected while in office. Definately a perk of the position😜

 

Aren't they all that now? Is there an honest politician out there that actually holds office? IMO Lawyers become politicians because they are so well practiced at lying

Yes I would agree most are dishonest. The dishonesty I'm referring to are the campaign tactics. One side has the advantage when it comes to being truthful (lying) about their opponent. As already said in another post, some of the things they say about Trump that just aren't true. Rapist, racist etc. Prove it or STFU and tell us how you'll make us a better country and take care of Americans first. Trump's campaigning on make America great again. America first . The Dems are campaigning on "we can't let Trump become President" And we'll do anything necessary to make it happen even if we have to lie to make it happen. 

[a.d._510_n_ok]

2 hours ago, datzenmike said:

 

You can absolutely vote for him and leave it like that, just don't deny or apologize for his actions.

 

 

 

[frankendat]

7 minutes ago, datzenmike said:

 

It goes to character. He disrespected women then, so running for office that behavior changes now???? half the electorate are women. A good percentage of them have husbands that vote. Knowing what he thinks of your women (wives and daughters) will you still vote for him or turn a wilful blind eye? for the good of the country that is.

I am not understanding your outrage. We are near in age and raised in the gender and race reformation age. I respect some women and have had more than one excellent female supervisor, I have also worked for right cunts. I would even go so far as to admit that a reformation and accounting for behavior, between the sexes, was necessary, but, like is common with things of this nature, it has swung too far in the opposite direction. 

I would be very wary of supporting a woman for President of the United States, because of the consequences internationally. My concern is other countries would "test" her to determine if she had the strength to lead, putting America in a no win situation. If she didn't respond, then America is weak, if she responds, lives could be lost and would a man have been put in the same position? Margret Thatcher was a hard charger, but would a man have needed to be as hard to achieve the same results? But, that is a bit off topic. When Trump is chilling in his luxury bus, he talks shit, juvenile yes, enough to join the Democrats or refrain from voting, which in our two party system is the same as voting for the other guy, NO WAY. 

Returning to the older generations, even suggesting that men "hunt" women, is something I would not do IRL with strangers, but it is why so many of young men are failing. I don't understand the "online instant hookup" thing, but I understand humans and can't see it a viable option for average heterosexual men. Society tries to dress up dating and fake nice nice, but dating is about people trying to get what they want and it ends in failure far more often than success. To get what you want, fools drift about wishing to achieve their goals, others make a strategy and hunt. I have been directly and openly disrespected, treated poorly and just rude by women for just saying "hello". One part of a successful dating strategy is having a plan to deal with failure. A simple option is dehumanization of the other party, to lessen their power to damage you. I am very sure that in this age of internet degrees and psychobable the multitude of problems such dehumanization brings could be mentioned, while more probably than not true, it does not decrease effectiveness.

Trump is kicking back in his campaign van, amazed with his new found status, women (seeking power/money/fame) will allow him anything he wants. He is in his late sixties (at the time) and he can "grab them by the pussy"--amazing. He wasn't standing on the steps of the White House proclaiming that women should be grabbed by their pussies or attempting to pass pussy grabbing legislation. No woman has come forward claiming Trump grabbed her pussy. He was kicking back having a private conversation. It is a non issue. 

I hate defending Trump, but the left and right have attacked him at a level of scrutiny no one could survive. Exactly, like the old Communists there is a sprinkle of truth mixed in to justify the lies. Trump is certainly a liar, a narcissist and generally full of shit. I do not and will not listen to his speeches or interviews, as I feel any substantive points will be condensed, rehashed and shortened for the internet and if I feel I cannot find an accurate accounting, then I will get the transcript from a trusted source. I try to not let falsehoods stand unchallenged and Trump is neither racist nor a rapist.