Police armed with camber gauges...

[Rjawm]

Just goes to show that cops don't know how to think outside the box

 

Except for the officers who went to the nearest gun stores during that robbery attempt and acquired AR's and ammo to no longer be out gunned by the assailants.  Prior to that event the LAPD didn't have AR's issued to patrol cars, it was because of it they changed that policy.

 

http://www.cnn.com/US/9702/28/shootout.update/

 

http://www.dailynews.com/general-news/20120227/north-hollywood-shootout-15-years-later

 

http://www.centralofficers.com/2012/03/1997-north-hollywood-shootout-remembered/

 

http://www.policemag.com/channel/weapons/articles/2012/02/how-the-north-hollywood-shootout-changed-patrol-rifles.aspx

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

[smoke]

And here is the thing....ONE Walmart bought 7 mag and two shells would have stopped the whole deal. Shit, even an old lever action 30-30 for that matter. There was always the option to be a good enough shot with your piss ant 9mm to hit them in the melon, seems like that would have happened on total accident with as much shooting was going on.

[q-tip]

Except for the officers who went to the nearest gun stores during that robbery attempt and acquired AR's and ammo to no longer be out gunned by the assailants. Prior to that event the LAPD didn't have AR's issued to patrol cars, it was because of it they changed that policy.

 

http://www.cnn.com/US/9702/28/shootout.update/

 

http://www.dailynews.com/general-news/20120227/north-hollywood-shootout-15-years-later

 

http://www.centralofficers.com/2012/03/1997-north-hollywood-shootout-remembered/

 

http://www.policemag.com/channel/weapons/articles/2012/02/how-the-north-hollywood-shootout-changed-patrol-rifles.aspx

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

It took far too long for them to realize they need something bigger, like smoke said 7mm mag and two shells and it would have been over fast

[smoke]

50-120 sharps would also be accepted, but you ain't getting that at the drug store.

[thisismatt]

Except for the officers who went to the nearest gun stores during that robbery attempt and acquired AR's and ammo to no longer be out gunned by the assailants.  Prior to that event the LAPD didn't have AR's issued to patrol cars, it was because of it they changed that policy.

 

http://www.cnn.com/US/9702/28/shootout.update/

 

http://www.dailynews.com/general-news/20120227/north-hollywood-shootout-15-years-later

 

http://www.centralofficers.com/2012/03/1997-north-hollywood-shootout-remembered/

 

http://www.policemag.com/channel/weapons/articles/2012/02/how-the-north-hollywood-shootout-changed-patrol-rifles.aspx

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

That's hardly thinking differently, that's just escalation.

[datzenmike]

On the other hand look what happened recently when the swat and police came out in military vehicles and war surplus weaponry for crowd control. South Africa much???

 

Who gives a fuck about people robbing a g/d bank? The money's insured. It's not like they would have got away with it. Police should have been more careful protecting themselves and the public around them than an OK corral shootout.

[smoke]

This. Oh no, the green paper is in trouble, open fire.

[Z-train]

On the other hand look what happened recently when the swat and police came out in military vehicles and war surplus weaponry for crowd control. South Africa much???

 

Who gives a fuck about people robbing a g/d bank? The money's insured. It's not like they would have got away with it. Police should have been more careful protecting themselves and the public around them than an OK corral shootout.

Are you insane? You actually think LAPD brought on the shoot-out?In that situation you protect people by KILLING the bad guys.And they did.

[datzenmike]

I doubt the robbers were planning (although ready) to spray hundreds (1,100) of AK rounds over the next hour unless forced to by the police. The wise play (by the police)would have been retreat and regroup. They were, after all, totally out gunned. The only redeeming thing was that they eventually, by weight of numbers, did kill them. Fuck public safety, just allow thousands of rounds to be sprayed around. These two assholes weren't going to get away, let them 'go' and follow and harass them until a better opportunity presented.  That would better protect the public.

[a.d._510_n_ok]

That LA AK-47 robbery occurred in 1997. that's damned near eighteen years ago and violent crime has been steadily declining in the US in the almost two decades since but LAPD is still training these fuckers like "Straight Outta Compton" and "Cop Killa" are new releases. If I don't need a big iron strapped to my leg anymore because Geronimo ain't hidin' in the sage brush these days then the cops ought to have to acknowledge that it's not 1991 and be made to stop blowing citizens armed with garden hose spray nozzles.

[Z-train]

Letting them go would be "fuck public safety".Killing them ASAP was the right move. Numbers didn't do them in,rather correct shot placement by sufficient caliber did. And in a related but "topic for another day",if Daryl Gates was still the Chief then,things wouldn't have un-folded like they did.

[john510]

I have to agree with Z-train.There was no way out of that situation.I dont think the police were the first to fire a gun in that battle.

[datzenmike]

But they didn't...ASAP was almost an hour and a couple of thousand shots later, some that were from cop pea shooters. It's fuck ups like this that you learn from. What the police and justice system didn't learn from was the fact that these two assholes (both convicted felons) got only three months in jail for having a trunk full of body armor, rifles, hand guns and thousands of rounds of ammo four years earlier. Eventually everything but the guns were returned... wtf??? If they had got 5 years for a felon having possession of a firearm this wouldn't have happened. Now THIS would have protected the public.

[Z-train]

If they had got 5 years for a felon having possession of a firearm this wouldn't have happened.

You know this...how?

 

Cop pea shooters? yes & no.Only a fool gets in a fire fight with a long gun when all you have are "girls's guns".But also training was sorta/kinda to blame.

[q-tip]

I agree with mike, over an hour isn't a very hasty resolution to the problem.

[paradime]

I agree there Z, Criticizing the cops for what happened in the body armor shootout is far too easy from the comfort of your keyboard. LAPD was not trained to deal with this scenario 

 

 

 

 

I take issue with the idea Gate would have done a better job.

 

Gates was a White Hero who was oppressed by evil liberals, right.  Why would those damn bleeding hearts demand the LAPD reflect the community they SERVED? Especially when those good white men were doing such a great job protecting all those lesser beingS, aka minorities and women. 

 

We have no way of answering a hypothetical question regarding the body armor shoot out. We can look at Gates's past record on wiki to hypothesize what might have happened had gates still been chief.

 

 

 

*His policies gave us the Rodney King style of stopping unarmed non-combatants from trying to protect themselves while being beaten by 5 officers. 

 

*After the announcement the verdict in the case against the officers who beat King was to be delivered, Gates sent the day shift cops home. After the riots broke out, Gates went to a fund raiser telling reporters the situation would soon be under control. This dinner he attended raised money to fight an amendment that would limit the power and term of the police chief.

 

*Gates testified in a Senate Judiciary Committee that infrequent drug users “ought to be taken out and shot” because “We are in a war”.

 

*in 1982 Gates attributed the death of several people held in a choke hold to the theory “Blacks might be more likely to die from chokeholds because their arteries do not open as fast as they do on ’normal’ people”

 

*The Christopher Commission identified the LAPD had a culture of excessive force, poor supervision/oversight, and a protectionist policy for dealing with public complaints.

 

THIS IS WHAT I MEAN BY “THE ASS HATS ARE IN CHARGE”.

[smoke]

Well, if you're gonna bring facts into this argument then I am going to take my ball and go home.

[paradime]

Shit sorry Smoke, I didn't mean to break the rules. From now on I'll stick to truthyness 

[q-tip]

Pffft....facts, those are only relevant...

[datzenmike]

You know this...how?

 

Cop pea shooters? yes & no.Only a fool gets in a fire fight with a long gun when all you have are "girls's guns".But also training was sorta/kinda to blame.

 

Well if in jail for 5 years they couldn't have had a shootout 4 years later could they.

[smoke]

Wut?

[paradime]

Well, if you're gonna bring facts into this argument then I am going to take my ball and go home.

 

 I thought you were refering to my response. No? Wiat, are you responding to mike? I'm so fucking confused. I'm taking my ball and going home.

[paradime]

Just to head off any confusion, my statement doesn't mean I'm a testicular caner surviver. my manhood is still in tact  :lol: 

[Z-train]

Well if in jail for 5 years they couldn't have had a shootout 4 years later could they.

So you're saying that they wouldn't have done the same SIX years later?

[paradime]

:confused: