Jesse C. Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 Back story? Russian Lun Project 903. NATO SS-N-22 Sunburn More here: http://englishrussia.com/2010/03/12/ekranoplan/ Quote Link to comment
]2eDeYe Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 Balls^^^^^^ Not sure 100% on the accuracy of this but....... Supposedly some group of aviation engineering peeps used the tech drawings that the Wright Bros had for the Wright Flyer and then they set about building a replica. After meticulously copying the schematics and specs to the letter they could not get the thing to fly at all. I do realise that the original only was off the ground for a very short period of time and did not achieve any staggering altitude however it's odd that the process could not be replicated. Yet of course the principles of all planes since are based off this experimental plane. I recall the same story. The brothers replicated the flight over and over again for people too. Funny how big brains now cant replicate what two bicycle builders could. Hmmmmm http://www.gustave-whitehead.com/ Early in 1901, Gustave Whitehead built his 21st manned aircraft. He called it the “Condor”. That summer – more than two years before the Wright Brothers – he made history's first manned, powered, controlled, sustained flight in a heavier-than-air aircraft. On March 8, 2013, the world's foremost authority on aviation history, "Jane's All the World's Aircraft", formally recognized Gustave Whitehead's claim. (Later, its editor, Paul Jackson, explained his reasons for doing so in more detail). Upon conclusion of peer review, both houses of the Connecticut legislature unanimously resolved to commemorate Whitehead's achievement of first powered airplane flight before the Wright brothers. The law was signed by the State's Governor and took effect on June 26, 2013. ...and this is where the saying comes in "pics or it didn't happen. That link is an interesting read. Here it is again just in case :) http://www.gustave-whitehead.com/ History is a fickle bastard sometimes :lol: 1 Quote Link to comment
VFR800 Posted January 5, 2015 Report Share Posted January 5, 2015 Whilst of course there was the technology to record the event,if Gustave Whitehead happened to not have access to that did he then have any kind of recording methods like eyewitness (Guiness Book of Records style) ? Edit - read this: Witnesses to Whitehead's 1901/1902 flights Affidavit of Junius Harworth (1934-10-07) Affidavit of Anton Pruckner (on tape 1963-11-13) Affidavit of Anton Pruckner (1934) Affidavit of Anton Pruckner (1936) Eyewitness news report of Richard Howell (1901-08-18) Affidavit of Alexander Gluck (1934-07-19) Affidavit of Michael Werer (1934-09-24) Affidavit of John S. Lesko (1934-09-24) Affidavit of John S. Lesko (1936-01-04) Affidavit of John A. Ciglar (1936-01-04) Affidavit of Joseph Ratzenberger (1936-01-28) Affidavit of Louis Davarich (1934-07-19) Affidavit of Cecil A. Steeves (1936-10-10) Affidavit of Cecil A. Steeves (1964-08-17 & on tape) Affidavit of Thomas Schweikert (1936-06-15) Statement of William London (1948-05) Statement of Mrs. Savage (1948-05) Affidavit of John F. Fekete (1948-05) Affidavit of John Havery (1948-05) Affidavit of Frank Layne (on tape, 1960s) Affidavit of Louis Lazay, (1936, 01-04) Affidavit of Elisabeth Koteles, (Aug. 1, 1974) Affidavit of Elizabeth Koteles (transcript, tape/video 1974-02-02) Well then I suppose the poor dude is going to sit in t he darkness of history whilst the Wright Brothers take the glory. Much like Tesla and Edison. 1 Quote Link to comment
MikeRL411 Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 Hind Ds! The lower one was an elite exhibition unit from Eastern Europe, most probably Roumanian given the European Golden Eagle depiction. Some where in the vast archives of this site is a collection of photos of this helicopter, but misidentified as a covert US strike helicopter in Afghanistan. The shots of the crew and their field uniforms gave the true identity away. Search is your friend! Quote Link to comment
RaptorReed Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 Oh while this may be old news, Those of you in the PNW, while cruising back Albany, Oregon yesterday, you can catch a Glimpse of 2-3 A-4 Skyhawks sitting outside the Private hangers at the Albany Municipal Airport nearest NB I-5 lanes. Some pilots are working to restore them for display purposes. Three vintage jet fighters may be on their way to Albany later this spring in pieces for display at the Municipal Airport. The planes are surplus A-4 Skyhawks now stored at the warplane boneyard at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Arizona. Dick Ebbert, the city’s economic development director who also manages the airport, briefed the City Council on Monday. He said the federal government, in the form of the General Services Administration, had agreed to lend the planes to Albany. The project is the result of efforts by pilots who keep their planes at the city airport. The government will retain title to the planes and will lend them to the state of Oregon for display in Albany, Ebbert explained. One hangup was that the state Department of Administrative Services (DAS) wants a fee of $10,000 to accept them, but Ebbert said Albany plane owners led by Jack Kasper had offered to front that fee. In return, Ebbert proposed and the council agreed to reimburse the pilots by forgiving that much in airport rents for their planes. Spokesman Lonn Hoklin of the DAS defended the $10,000 one-time fee. He said the department has to comply with complex federal reporting requirements as long as the city has the planes. DAS could have charged up to $5,000 per plane, so it is giving the city a break, he added. At their own expense, the pilots also will dismantle the planes in Arizona, truck them to Albany, put them back together and paint them, Ebbert said. According to the plan, two of the jets — without engines, avionics or landing gear — will be displayed on airport property along Interstate 5, and one will be at the entrance off Knox Butte Road. The planes are surplus A-4 Skyhawks now stored at the warplane boneyard at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Arizona. Dick Ebbert, the city’s economic development director who also manages the airport, briefed the City Council on Monday. He said the federal government, in the form of the General Services Administration, had agreed to lend the planes to Albany. The project is the result of efforts by pilots who keep their planes at the city airport. The government will retain title to the planes and will lend them to the state of Oregon for display in Albany, Ebbert explained. One hangup was that the state Department of Administrative Services (DAS) wants a fee of $10,000 to accept them, but Ebbert said Albany plane owners led by Jack Kasper had offered to front that fee. In return, Ebbert proposed and the council agreed to reimburse the pilots by forgiving that much in airport rents for their planes. Spokesman Lonn Hoklin of the DAS defended the $10,000 one-time fee. He said the department has to comply with complex federal reporting requirements as long as the city has the planes. DAS could have charged up to $5,000 per plane, so it is giving the city a break, he added. At their own expense, the pilots also will dismantle the planes in Arizona, truck them to Albany, put them back together and paint them, Ebbert said. According to the plan, two of the jets — without engines, avionics or landing gear — will be displayed on airport property along Interstate 5, and one will be at the entrance off Knox Butte Road. -------------For the Gazette-Times ALBANY — Three A-4 Skyhawks designed in the 1950s to operate from Navy aircraft carriers will be restored and anchored to pedestals in front of the Albany Airport. “The aircraft will be spaced up to 100 yards apart facing north so people driving by on the freeway will see what looks like three attack planes taking off one behind the other,” said Dick Ebbert, the city’s economic development director. Ebbert, who flew F-4 phantoms with the Marine Corps in Vietnam, thought there should be a big aircraft attraction at the airport. He formed an advisory group of pilots, hangar owners and others to decide upon and then locate just the right planes to put on display. Ebbert contacted military officials at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson, Ariz., to see what was available. “The base is a huge repository for all types of military aircraft,” he said. Three planes were selected to bring to Albany. At their own expense, Dan Miltenberger and father and son Jack and Heath Kasper traveled to Tucson to bring two planes back on trailers. The trio will return to Arizona to pick up the third plane and the wings for all three. The planes were operational but the avionics and engines were removed to lighten them so they could be displayed “on sticks,” Ebbert said. Two of the restored planes will be painted in the Navy’s colors and one in the colors of the Marine Corps. Ebbert doesn’t know when the display will be ready, as work will be done by volunteers. The A-4 Skyhawk, which replaced the A-1 Skyraider, played key roles in Vietnam, the Falklands and Yom Kippur wars. The wing on the plane was so compact it did not need to be folded for stowage on carriers, according to Web sites about the planes. The plane was so nimble and small it soon received such nicknames as “Scooter,” “Bantam Bomber” and “Tinker Toy Bomber.” Nearly 3,000 Skyhawks are still in service around the world, some serving on carriers. Ebbert said no city money is involved in fixing the planes or in bringing them to Albany. “The only thing the city is going to do is delay the lease payment start times for Dan and Heath, who have built new hangars at the airport,” he said. Anyone wanting to help restore the planes can call Jack Casper at 503-931-1915. If the number still works, maybe one of you local guys can give hand to help restore some Vietnam Era Warbirds. Those excerpts are from circa 2007 from what I could find. Just not something you see everyday at a local Municipal airport :D. 1 Quote Link to comment
Z-train Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140918-secrets-of-the-aircraft-boneyards Quote Link to comment
]2eDeYe Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140918-secrets-of-the-aircraft-boneyards rad! Quote Link to comment
nismo dr Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 have never set foot in his thread, probably a repost "Empty carbon fiber plane at full throttle. They’re pretty agile. You just never see it on commercial flights for obvious reasons. This was for an air show." 2 Quote Link to comment
]2eDeYe Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Boeing did it 1st without asking. Airbus couldn't get permission. :lol: Quote Link to comment
wayno Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Air force one did that, almost go straight up at the end of the runway that is, it was amazing to see even on TV. Quote Link to comment
q-tip Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Now ya see son, you have too wait for them to be fully ripe before you pick em or else they don't have the fronts on them. 2 Quote Link to comment
Jesse C. Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 Biak Island 1948 3 Quote Link to comment
Mattndew76 Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Is that the New Iran version called "Gift From Obama" ^^^^ 1 Quote Link to comment
wayno Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 This is a drone, technology like this will be used here in the US to keep an eye on us, actually it is used right now, they just don't know your name when they are looking at you, yet. :( 1 Quote Link to comment
]2eDeYe Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 This is a drone, technology like this will be used here in the US to keep an eye on us, actually it is used right now, they just don't know your name when they are looking at you, yet. :( I went to like that...but I don't really, so I didn't. :( 2 Quote Link to comment
Mattndew76 Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Traffic cams in all states are being outfitted with the new facial recognition software for looking at "license plates" Quote Link to comment
wayno Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Sorry, but it's the truth. I went to like that...but I don't really, so I didn't. :( Quote Link to comment
]2eDeYe Posted January 8, 2015 Report Share Posted January 8, 2015 Traffic cams in all states are being outfitted with the new facial recognition software for looking at "license plates" Sorry, but it's the truth. Oh, I know, but I don't have to like it. 1 Quote Link to comment
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