tr8er Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Title 8, sec. 1325. "Section 1325 sets forth criminal offenses relating to (1) improper entry into the United States by an alien, (2) entry into marriage for the purpose of evading immigration laws, and (3) establishing a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading immigration laws. The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) amended 8 U.S.C. § 1325 to provide that an alien apprehended while entering or attempting to enter the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty. Comment: Further discussion of these offenses is set forth in Chapter 4 of Immigration Law, published as part of the Office of Legal Education's Litigation Series, and as part of the USABook computer library." Still addressing entry or violation of terms of entry. Not actually making it illegal to be here. Link to comment
Rjawm Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Title 8, sec. 1325. This title covers illegal entry, it has nothing to do with over staying a visa. Having a visa is the granted permission from the US government to be in the U.S. for a specific duration of time and for a specific purpose. Essentially it's a "free pass" to be in the US and enjoy all the benefits our country is willing to extend to you during your stay in the U.S. They can be renewed or revoked as the government sees fit. Over staying a visa is viewed as a civil offense, not a criminal offense, meaning you broke a rule or regulation but not necessarily a law. Therefore Pelosi's argument, while based in semantics, is factual. LOL walked away for a bit while typing this and tr8er beat me to it 1 Link to comment
bananahamuck Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 It's not a civil offense it's a civil infraction ,, but yeah.. Have any of you ever been to court over a "civil infraction" .. and i mean a real one, not a traffic ticket one?? I wouldn't walk i there without a lawyer,,,,,,,,,,,, coals,,,,,,,,, they will rake you over them. Anyways Easier to read in the link as forum makes it a wall of text https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-66/pdf/STATUTE-66-Pg163.pdf#page=67 PDFs are a dick to just copy and paste and it doubled up on some text but ,, whatever . you guys are all a bunch of asswipes anyways 66STAT-] PUBLIC LAW 414-JUNE 27, 1952 page 163 Public Law 414 CHAPTER 477 AN ACT June 27, 1952 To revise the laws relating to immigration, naturalization, and nationality; [H.R.5678] So if you are in USA and help someone else sneak over or board or harbor them 66 STAT.] PUBLIc LAW 4-14-JUNE 27, 1952 229 (3) willfully or knowingly conceals, harbors, or shields from detection, or attempts to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection, in any place, including any building or any means of transportationor(4) willfully or knowingly encourages or induces, or attempts to encourage or induce, either directly or indirectly, the entry into the United States of— any alien, including an alien crewman, not duly admitted by an immigration officer or not lawfully entitled to enter or reside within the United States under the terms of this Act or any other law relating to the immigration or expulsion of aliens, shall be guilty of a felony, and upon conviction thereof shall be punished by a fine not exceeding $2,000 or by imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years, or both, for each alien in respect to whom any violation of this subsection occurs: Provided^ however^ That for the purposes of this section, employment (including the usual and normal practices incident to employment) shall not be deemed to constitute harboring. ( B) No officer or person shall have authority to make any arrest for a violation of any provision of this section except officers and employ-ees of the Service designated by the Attorney General, either individ-ually or as a member of a class, and all other officers whose duty it is to enforce criminal laws. ENTRY or ALIEN AT IMPROPER TIME OR PLACE; MISREPRESENTATION AND CONCEALMENT OF FACTS SEC.275. Any alien who (1) enters the United States at any time or place other than as designated hy immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first com-mission of any such offenses, be guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction thereof be punished by imprisonment for not more than six months, or by a fine of not more than $500, or by both, and for a sub-sequent commission of any such offenses shall be guilty of a felony and upon conviction thereof shall be punished by imprisonment for not more than two years, or by a fine of not more than $1,000,or both. 66 STAT.] PUBLIC LAW 4-14-JUNE 27, 1952 Or how bout this part of it?? REENTRY OF DEPORTED ALIEN SEC. 276. Any alien who— (1) has been arrested and deported or excluded and deported, and thereafter (2) enters, attempts to enter, or is at any time found in, the United States, unless (A) prior to his reembarkation at a place outside the United States or his application for admission from foreign contiguous territory, the Attorney General has expressly consented to such alien's reapplying for admission; or ( B) with respect to an alien previously excluded and deported, unless such alien shall establish that he was not required to obtain such advance consent under this or any prior Act, shall be guilty of a felony, and upon conviction thereof, be punished by imprisonment of not more than two years, or by a fine of not more than $1,000, or both Now keep in mind this could have been changed but i aint looking that shit up . 1 Link to comment
bananahamuck Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 I didn't add those emoticons the forum did,,, lol .. 1 Link to comment
racerx Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Still worth pointing out that, to my knowledge, there is no law against being in the U.S. Entering without permission can be illegal. But being here is not. Thus no law was necessarily broken. Like cigarettes. You can't buy them under age, but having them is legal (federally). States may differ...you saying that a person who crossed the border from Mexico w out a passport or visa are not breaking any laws? Link to comment
racerx Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 7-11 doesn't employ "hard workers" they're just workers....generalizations..I'm certain that there are some that take their jobs seriously at 7-11. 2 Link to comment
Rjawm Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Do you realize that makes no sense whatsoever ? i thought "illegal" meant a law was broken. ..you saying that a person who crossed the border from Mexico w out a passport or visa are not breaking any laws? Let me make it a little more clear what he was saying with the use of the enter key... Still worth pointing out that, to my knowledge, there is no law against being in the U.S. Entering without permission can be illegal. But being here is not. Thus no law was necessarily broken. Like cigarettes. You can't buy them under age, but having them is legal (federally). States may differ. See the above posts concerning overstayed visas Link to comment
bananahamuck Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 There is no criminal law about over staying visa ,, i thought you fucklips were talking about people in the country without going through proper channels. GFY ... all of you For the record ,, i don't care if normal people are here undocumented , if they are living their lives in a constructive manner and what-not... Live and let live i say,, and bring your smooth skinned bikini clad daughters to Sun lakes in August ,,, usually towards the end,,,,,,,,,,,, thanks. . . 4 Link to comment
VFR800 Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 GFY ... all of you 1 Link to comment
paradime Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 The (ultra) WHITE house announces Filthy Frank as Trump's new Cultural Adviser. Link to comment
john510 Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 So what law is broken by being in the U.S. without a Visa or citizenship? Maybe an immigration law ? with your logic i guess you could get pulled over for speeding and then tell the officer "but i'm not speeding now because you pulled me over,therefore i'm guilty of no crime" 1 Link to comment
john510 Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 ...generalizations..I'm certain that there are some that take their jobs seriously at 7-11. I'm talking about hard work.A guy that digs a trench with a shovel a tree trimmer,concrete finisher etc.Standing at a cash register is not hard work.I could never do it. 1 Link to comment
Josh K. Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Standing at a cash register is not hard work.I could never do it. My step sister works night shift at a 7-11. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. She routinely has to clean shit off the walls of the bathroom and deal with mentally ill people wandering into the store. You couldn't pay me enough to stand behind that counter and deal with the lowest of the low. 2 Link to comment
tr8er Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Maybe an immigration law ? with your logic i guess you could get pulled over for speeding and then tell the officer "but i'm not speeding now because you pulled me over,therefore i'm guilty of no crime" A better example would be showing up to a party, the host mentions speaking with you an hour ago when you were leaving the house. A cop who was nearby writes you a ticket because he thinks you must have been speeding to get there in an hour. Link to comment
paradime Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Tr8er, the article you posted makes perfect sense. Any "confusion" stems from it warping the Fox reality distortion force field. Link to comment
racerx Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 I'm talking about hard work.A guy that digs a trench with a shovel a tree trimmer,concrete finisher etc.Standing at a cash register is not hard work.I could never do it....hey its work, its honest, your contributing, paying taxes, not just taking up space. 1 Link to comment
240zness Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Tr8er, the article you posted makes perfect sense. Any "confusion" stems from it warping the Fox reality distortion force field. Fox is warped , but can the others be used in the same sentence as Reality? And what dimension are you referring to? Link to comment
240zness Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 You can run a weed eater and leaf blower all day and end up with No landscape in a few years.... Takes skill in practices not just operating equip Link to comment
john510 Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 My step sister works night shift at a 7-11. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. She routinely has to clean shit off the walls of the bathroom and deal with mentally ill people wandering into the store. You couldn't pay me enough to stand behind that counter and deal with the lowest of the low. To me that's a shitty job.The 7-11's up there have public bathrooms ? Link to comment
john510 Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 ...hey its work, its honest, your contributing, paying taxes, not just taking up space. Yes true. Link to comment
john510 Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Tr8er, the article you posted makes perfect sense. Any "confusion" stems from it warping the Fox reality distortion force field. What does Fox news have to do with illegal immigration ? Link to comment
Draker Posted January 13, 2018 Report Share Posted January 13, 2018 A lot of scandals on the left breaking... Look for the noise to get louder and louder as they try to control the media cycles. 1 Link to comment
Draker Posted January 13, 2018 Report Share Posted January 13, 2018 First indictment of the Uranium One scandal... Check. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-president-maryland-based-transportation-company-indicted-11-counts-related-foreign 1 Link to comment
racerx Posted January 13, 2018 Report Share Posted January 13, 2018 A lot of scandals on the left breaking... Look for the noise to get louder and louder as they try to control the mediacycles. ...which ones, you talking about Trumpcheeto and shithole countries? Link to comment
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