destruction of america

[john510]

[datzenmike]

So this is for the MAGA assholes? after everyone's truly unexpected landslide rejection of tiny hands after 4 years? lol It says 'Guaranteed Quality, Believe me' (which obviously would only be believed by MAGAs) 

[Cardinal Grammeter]

"No new taxes!"  That was a good one.

They're all liars - they are politicians.

More and more people are delusional with their heads stuck up their asses with social media, they are fools that believe crazy shit - so lying is very effective politically.

 

I'm 72 and nowadays it feels like I'm living among circus sideshow freaks - and that's just visually too.

[john510]

4 hours ago, datzenmike said:

So this is for the MAGA assholes? after everyone's truly unexpected landslide rejection of tiny hands after 4 years? lol It says 'Guaranteed Quality, Believe me' (which obviously would only be believed by MAGAs) 

No actually it's for assholes like you that constantly piss, moan, cry and bitch about all the things that never happened when he was president. He's not president now and and look at what you cry about. In Canada of all places where you have a real dictator running the show. I suggest ordering a few cans of it. Bye now.

[paradime]

3 hours ago, john510 said:

Reagan ? That would be great but it isn't an option. What candidate is closer to Reagans ideals ? It isn't Harris that's for sure. I'd prefer Trump because of the country but it's all about me ? Help me to understand that. I live here and would prefer we take care of America first and not turn us into what others are fleeing from. I'm a horrible person I know. 

The all about me party, the "me" part is referring to DT, so this time it's not all about you. No one is saying you're a horrible person except you. You defend Trump's behavior when I express my reasons for not trusting him with the power of the POTUS, and back up my opinion formed with his illegal 2020 performance art exhibition, objective empirical data, and clear logical reasoning. You seem to take it as a personal assault and usually say it's because I suffer from TDS. In reality, that "diagnosis" fits the narrow sighted distortions of MAGA logic.

 

I realize a campaign is built on refined party BS, but it's the message and presentation that I'm referring to here. In terms of the Ideals I value: Like Reagan era conservatism, Harris is running on pride in America's capabilities and accomplishments, our position of power in the world and what that represents, responding to the very real danger of Russia's threat to the world and our interests in it, fair and equal opportunities for all in TRUE free market capitalism, optimism in the power and potential of all our people and the common union that holds us together as a country, individual liberty and self determination, respect for the institution of justice for all, and the constitutional design that forms the US government. Trump's ideals in his campaign's constant barrage of fear and division represents the opposite of what I value. I hope that clears it up. Before defending Trump's campaign, watch the vid I posted with the full speech he gave in Wisconsin, and tell me if you think I'm wrong in that assessment.   

[tr8er]

If every citizen paid 50K, our country would be out of debt.  Currently we are sitting on a ridiculous ratio of debt and the notion that we need less taxes is short sighted.  We need to adjust everywhere to reduce spending and collect more taxes and foreign debts to get our books more in balance.  There has never been such discrepancy in wealth, so lets get to it.  

 

[tr8er]

7 hours ago, john510 said:

I think this might be a dig at trump here.  "4oz.  Yuge."  "Quality Guaranteed, Believe Me".  "...resulting from unexpected defeat & exposure to raw truth"  This all pokes at Trump everywhere.  But even so, I am not completely sure.  It could easily been created by AI for a Trumper and the AI was just having fun teasing them.  

 

[datzenmike]

32 minutes ago, john510 said:

No actually it's for assholes like you that constantly piss, moan, cry and bitch about all the things that never happened when he was president. He's not president now and and look at what you cry about. In Canada of all places where you have a real dictator running the show. I suggest ordering a few cans of it. Bye now.

 

MAGAs are so easy to trigger aren't they John? Name calling? That the best you can do? Nothing I said about grifter Trump is inaccurate, during or after. That tin of butt cream is a perfect fit for you! Take the lid off first.

[john510]

8 minutes ago, paradime said:

The all about me party, the "me" part is referring to DT, so this time it's not all about you. No one is saying you're a horrible person except you. You defend Trump's behavior when I express my reasons for not trusting him with the power of the POTUS, and back up my opinion formed with his illegal 2020 performance art exhibition, objective empirical data, and clear logical reasoning. You seem to take it as a personal assault and usually say it's because I suffer from TDS. In reality, that "diagnosis" fits the narrow sighted distortions of MAGA logic.

 

I realize a campaign is built on refined party BS, but it's the message and presentation that I'm referring to here. In terms of the Ideals I value: Like Reagan era conservatism, Harris is running on pride in America's capabilities and accomplishments, our position of power in the world and what that represents, responding to the very real danger of Russia's threat to the world and our interests in it, fair and equal opportunities for all in TRUE free market capitalism, optimism in the power and potential of all our people and the common union that holds us together as a country, individual liberty and self determination, respect for the institution of justice for all, and the constitutional design that forms the US government. Trump's ideals in his campaign's constant barrage of fear and division represents the opposite of what I value. I hope that clears it up. Before defending Trump's campaign, watch the vid I posted with the full speech he gave in Wisconsin, and tell me if you think I'm wrong in that assessment.   

All I can say is Harris has been the VP for four years and she's accomplished ?????????? She's done a good job at ????????  And please don't point out Trump's constant barrage of fear mongering and division. That's a little strange to point out all things considered. The Dems are running on "orange man bad" They don't even have any policy goals other than keep Trump out of the White House, import millions of people and give away money we don't have.  Harris seldom says anything that makes sense. The vast majority see it which is why she's made fun of. If you can find some Harris talk that means anything post it up I'd like to hear it. Please no talk of Cloud storage or the difference between Ukraine and Russia and where their borders are. You guys keep forgetting one simple thing, us Trump people are choosing him because he isn't her ! I'll take the policies he wants but won't get vs. what that cunt wants to do to us. I don't listen to much of what Trump says, I know what he's about. I've actually listened to more of Harris. Which is why I can't stand her. Talk about filling her supporters full of shit. Four years of an open border and now she'll fix it ? That's dumber than any promise Trump ever made. Now she's concerned about inflation and high prices ? She never cared before. The same ones complaining about Trump are sucking up every bit of Harris' bullshit. All because "orange man bad"  sends mean tweets and has an abrasive personality. Oh and he screwed a porn star. 

[john510]

15 minutes ago, tr8er said:

If every citizen paid 50K, our country would be out of debt.  Currently we are sitting on a ridiculous ratio of debt and the notion that we need less taxes is short sighted.  We need to adjust everywhere to reduce spending and collect more taxes and foreign debts to get our books more in balance.  There has never been such discrepancy in wealth, so lets get to it.  

 

Ok fine you start ! As far as I'm concerned the Government gets plenty ! It's what they do with it that's the issue. We could give them 90% of our paychecks and it wouldn't fix a thing. How can you NOT see that ? Taxation isn't the problem, our Government spending is. 

[datzenmike]

Still the voter gives the keys to the strongroom to the government every 4 years. Maybe start there.

[tr8er]

1 hour ago, john510 said:

Ok fine you start ! As far as I'm concerned the Government gets plenty ! It's what they do with it that's the issue. We could give them 90% of our paychecks and it wouldn't fix a thing. How can you NOT see that ? Taxation isn't the problem, our Government spending is. 

I don't think your taxes nor mine are the issue.  It is the division of that burden.  People are accruing wealth at unheard of rates.  Not earning, accruing.  Trump altered the tax code to widen the wealth gap ensuring all of the power was isolated at the top.  From corporate profits to individual wealth and non earned income.  All of it.  Across the board and clear as day.  Then he cut checks for money we didn't have to millions who weren't in need (along with tiny checks for those who were in need).  Now we pay for that with inflation and his trickle down label he borrowed from Raegan never materialized.  Team Trump doesn't even read the tax code he proposes and right wing media is all too ready to paint a rosy picture for them.  So if you have a problem with taxes, you should have an issue with Trumps tax policy.  Unless you earn over 400K and are reaping those benefits.  But even then you should have the ability to critically see the disparity.  I earn under 400K/y.  I don't mind my taxes.  It is factored in when I consider pay rate/job offers.  What I want is for the tax code to reign in the top town bullshit and recognize that the bottom is getting disproportionately squeezed while we are unable to balance our books.  We need a president who has spend at least one day of their life without a million dollars at their disposal.  Or an ounce of common sense.  One or the other would be great.    

[tr8er]

I wish you could compare fairly Trumps spending vs others.  But with the Pandemic, I don't feel fair using those embarrassing numbers.  Any president would have spent too much given the situation.  Regardless, his policy decisions were not geared toward helping the average citizen.  "He is blatantly un-Christian, he is terrible with money, he widens the disparity between the poor and the rich, he is unconservative in virtually every regard.  But he hates immigrants so he's my guy."  -MAGA folks presumably.

[datzenmike]

It's both art and anatomically correct entitled 'Crooked and Obscene" is 45 ft. tall and hung... from a crane.

 

 

 

 

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[john510]

33 minutes ago, tr8er said:

I don't think your taxes nor mine are the issue.  It is the division of that burden.  People are accruing wealth at unheard of rates.  Not earning, accruing.  Trump altered the tax code to widen the wealth gap ensuring all of the power was isolated at the top.  From corporate profits to individual wealth and non earned income.  All of it.  Across the board and clear as day.  Then he cut checks for money we didn't have to millions who weren't in need (along with tiny checks for those who were in need).  Now we pay for that with inflation and his trickle down label he borrowed from Raegan never materialized.  Team Trump doesn't even read the tax code he proposes and right wing media is all too ready to paint a rosy picture for them.  So if you have a problem with taxes, you should have an issue with Trumps tax policy.  Unless you earn over 400K and are reaping those benefits.  But even then you should have the ability to critically see the disparity.  I earn under 400K/y.  I don't mind my taxes.  It is factored in when I consider pay rate/job offers.  What I want is for the tax code to reign in the top town bullshit and recognize that the bottom is getting disproportionately squeezed while we are unable to balance our books.  We need a president who has spend at least one day of their life without a million dollars at their disposal.  Or an ounce of common sense.  One or the other would be great.    

Our Government spending was an issue long before Trump came along. Yet here you are blaming him for things that have been an issue for so many years. Accruing wealth is a bad thing ? You must not be accruing it. If my cash sits in a bank and accrues wealth because of better interest that isn't earning ? I pay taxes every year on my interest earning accounts. Last year and this year I'll be getting dinged again. I'll let the IRS know I didn't earn this money I accrued it. Maybe they'll let me slide on the taxes ? The top 5% earners are paying 66% of the income taxes so what is it you want changed ? Maybe they should pay 100% of the taxes so you don't have to. A few years back I was making $2500 a week in construction doing piece work jobs. I'd take home $1600 of it. Claiming two on the W-4. I decided I was working for the Government for free at that point. I cut back on production down $1600 a week. I got to keep $1200 of it. Yea the bigger earners are paying their fair share. But I'm not one that gets jealous because somebody makes good money when I don't. Again, stop blaming the people that earn good money for our debt issues. It's like blaming the flies for the dog shit in your back yard. Try some of that butt salve and stop blaming a guy that was President for four years and not in politics his whole life. Earn big money and get back to us on taxation.

[tr8er]

1 hour ago, john510 said:

Our Government spending was an issue long before Trump came along. Yet here you are blaming him for things that have been an issue for so many years. Accruing wealth is a bad thing ? You must not be accruing it. If my cash sits in a bank and accrues wealth because of better interest that isn't earning ? I pay taxes every year on my interest earning accounts. Last year and this year I'll be getting dinged again. I'll let the IRS know I didn't earn this money I accrued it. Maybe they'll let me slide on the taxes ? The top 5% earners are paying 66% of the income taxes so what is it you want changed ? Maybe they should pay 100% of the taxes so you don't have to. A few years back I was making $2500 a week in construction doing piece work jobs. I'd take home $1600 of it. Claiming two on the W-4. I decided I was working for the Government for free at that point. I cut back on production down $1600 a week. I got to keep $1200 of it. Yea the bigger earners are paying their fair share. But I'm not one that gets jealous because somebody makes good money when I don't. Again, stop blaming the people that earn good money for our debt issues. It's like blaming the flies for the dog shit in your back yard. Try some of that butt salve and stop blaming a guy that was President for four years and not in politics his whole life. Earn big money and get back to us on taxation.

Enough minds with much more information and history have studied economics and tax policy.  They practically all agree that Trumps tax breaks for the rich have cost the U.S. much more than the lost income.  We should never have the rich and poor so far apart.  This shouldn’t really be a disagreement.  I’ve got no clue how they convinced people to buy into this crap.  Not to mention the loopholes the top brackets use to pay even less.  
 

we can agree that we are over spending like mad and that that is the bigger issue.  

[paradime]

5 hours ago, john510 said:

All I can say is Harris has been the VP for four years and she's accomplished ?????????? She's done a good job at ????????  And please don't point out Trump's constant barrage of fear mongering and division. That's a little strange to point out all things considered. The Dems are running on "orange man bad" They don't even have any policy goals other than keep Trump out of the White House, import millions of people and give away money we don't have.  Harris seldom says anything that makes sense. The vast majority see it which is why she's made fun of. If you can find some Harris talk that means anything post it up I'd like to hear it. Please no talk of Cloud storage or the difference between Ukraine and Russia and where their borders are. You guys keep forgetting one simple thing, us Trump people are choosing him because he isn't her ! I'll take the policies he wants but won't get vs. what that cunt wants to do to us. I don't listen to much of what Trump says, I know what he's about. I've actually listened to more of Harris. Which is why I can't stand her. Talk about filling her supporters full of shit. Four years of an open border and now she'll fix it ? That's dumber than any promise Trump ever made. Now she's concerned about inflation and high prices ? She never cared before. The same ones complaining about Trump are sucking up every bit of Harris' bullshit. All because "orange man bad"  sends mean tweets and has an abrasive personality. Oh and he screwed a porn star. 

So you didn't watch his speech and ignore the point I was making? I guess that's to be expected. Sorry John, but the list of the "orange man bad's" moral, fiscal, legal, diplomatic, consitutional, cognitive, and basic expectations of leadership disqualifications goes far beyond the 2 you'll admit too. You seem to forget that Kamala wasn't president for the past 4 yrs, or in charge of the things Biden did. Why can't you just admit, you have no F'n clue what separates her from sleepy Joe? One more question, whose platform ideals is closer to Reagan era conservatism? Not that I expect an answer, but It definitely isn't Trump. You think calling her a "cunt" makes you MAGA logical. I think you're another ill-informed conservative who joined the All About Me Party. 

[john510]

2 hours ago, tr8er said:

Enough minds with much more information and history have studied economics and tax policy.  They practically all agree that Trumps tax breaks for the rich have cost the U.S. much more than the lost income.  We should never have the rich and poor so far apart.  This shouldn’t really be a disagreement.  I’ve got no clue how they convinced people to buy into this crap.  Not to mention the loopholes the top brackets use to pay even less.  
 

we can agree that we are over spending like mad and that that is the bigger issue.  

I don't think you have any idea how much a rich person pays in taxes. Who's "they" ? It doesn't cost a penny to NOT take somebody's earned money. How's this for a solution ? stop wasting what you take. I'm not rich by any means but this notion that we should all be screwing them (the rich) over because they have more than us is wrong. Those are the people hiring us so we can earn a living. Is it a rich persons fault there are IRS loopholes that have been part of the system forever ? Can't blame Trump for loopholes or for using them. 

[paradime]

And what were the net results of Mr t's tax cuts? The middle class got fucked and the rich got richer. Look it up before defending it as the greater good for everyone

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[datzenmike]

34 minutes ago, paradime said:

 You think calling her a "cunt" makes you MAGA logical. I think you're another ill-informed conservative who joined the All About Me Party. 

 

John's really into name calling today.

[thisismatt]

I must be really poor because I don't pay much in income taxes.  I guess having kids helps.  Talk of lowering my taxes basically means nothing to me.  Maybe you guys are making too much? 😂 Who on the low end is really getting riled up about taxes?  Young single filer pizza deliverers?  

[tr8er]

Taxes are needed because of our debt.  Not because we are complaining about our income taxes.  I was clear that I am fine with paying my taxes.  But if we can’t eliminate our deficit and lessen our debt, we will never be able to realize this fantasy of a prosperous future we seek.  We spend a trillion on just the interest on our debt.  It’s fucking un fathomable.  History shows our deficit ratio is best when the tax structure is top heavy.  Clinton actually got us into the black.  They were still growing their wealth passively before Trump cut their rates.  And John, he added the loopholes in.  They were largely removed before Trumps term.  Clinton had our deficit gone and paid billions of our debt off.  He did it by reducing spending and raising the highest income bracket tax rates.  I’d support a candidate that ran on that platform almost exclusively.  Trump has proven to UNO reverse both of those numbers.  Harris only one.  

[a.d._510_n_ok]

10 hours ago, datzenmike said:

It's both art and anatomically correct entitled 'Crooked and Obscene" is 45 ft. tall and hung... from a crane.

 

 

 

 

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Leftists instantly become obsessed with your prnis if you own a gun or support Trump. 

[bottomwatcher]

4 hours ago, tr8er said:

Taxes are needed because of our debt.  Not because we are complaining about our income taxes.  I was clear that I am fine with paying my taxes.  But if we can’t eliminate our deficit and lessen our debt, we will never be able to realize this fantasy of a prosperous future we seek.  We spend a trillion on just the interest on our debt.  It’s fucking un fathomable.  History shows our deficit ratio is best when the tax structure is top heavy.  Clinton actually got us into the black.  They were still growing their wealth passively before Trump cut their rates.  And John, he added the loopholes in.  They were largely removed before Trumps term.  Clinton had our deficit gone and paid billions of our debt off.  He did it by reducing spending and raising the highest income bracket tax rates.  I’d support a candidate that ran on that platform almost exclusively.  Trump has proven to UNO reverse both of those numbers.  Harris only one.  

Can you clarify "unearned" or "passive income"? Is this interest or collected rent? Because without people investing and doing so for a return nothing would get done in this country. 

[datzenmike]

Interest and collected rent are almost the same thing. Rent paid on invested money is interest with the exception that interest can vary widely on return.