destruction of america

[paradime]

11 minutes ago, bottomwatcher said:

The GOP has been taken over by the Trumpers. There are not enough of them to win a general election. Other Republicans pandered to him in fear of losing their jobs. Chainey was one of the few with balls to go against him and paid the price. Romney doesn't put up with his shit either and is still hanging in there. Just to sum it up Trump has basically destroyed the Republican party so it's free reign for the Dems. Throw the current ignoramus up there no matter how bad they are as long as they don't have dementia they are a shoe in against Trump and the real puppetmasters get to keep pulling the strings. Trumps eating pets comments wasn't just a gaffe or miss speaking. It was a full on tirade by someone who is mentally unstable.  Anyone who didn't see that as what it was is wearing Trump colored glasses. His comments weren't manipulated by the Media. This was just pure unfiltered Trump.

Nail meet hammer. I think the Dem's hysteria for Harris is she's not an old turd on a plate like DT and JB. She's a fresh pile of shit who can form a complete sentence which is all a candidate needs these days. What's happened to both parties by propping up 2 crusty antique piles of shit destroyed any and all confidence I had in the electoral process. Biden's debate performance pulled back the curtain on the shit show of power, and who's producing it. Same for Trump's debate performance. Just follow the money and it's plain to see who the puppet master is.

[Dan.]

This thread started about Nascar and the Confederate history, and by golly I'll see it stays on this topic! Hoorah! 4th of July this year I posted the Bonnie Blue flag on my house and flew it since last month. Living in South Carolina that flag has more history and significance than practically any. Practically every war since the Civil War in America has been about banks and financial system. Don't let anyone convince you otherwise.

[Ooph!]

22 minutes ago, paradime said:

Nail meet hammer. I think the Dem's hysteria for Harris is she's not an old turd on a plate like DT and JB. She's a fresh pile of shit who can form a complete sentence which is all a candidate needs these days. What's happened to both parties by propping up 2 crusty antique piles of shit destroyed any and all confidence I had in the electoral process. Biden's debate performance pulled back the curtain on the shit show of power, and who's producing it. Same for Trump's debate performance. Just follow the money and it's plain to see who the puppet master is.

 

The Democrats pushed for that early debate, it was prior to the convention JB wasn't even the candidate yet.

Why did they push for it?

So that the back room could push him out of the way without interference and put someone else in that would take orders, because it was an emergency no one would complain, and they didn't.

It also gave them time to accomplish the switch and change the momentum.

This is where I think the Republicans are Charlie Brown running to kick the football again.

If DJT had said no to the debate until JB was the official candidate the Presidency would be in the bag because the Dems wouldn't have had time to accomplish a swap and change momentum.

 So yes I agree that if we lose its our own damn fault, but for me I blame everyone in the Rep party because no one was yelling, no wait! till after the Dem convention its a trap!

Edited Tuesday at 04:58 PM by Ooph!
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[john510]

13 hours ago, IZRL said:

 

It's sickening how those people changed because Trump left the Democrats for the Republican party. 

[Dan.]

I tend to hold the more cynical position. They are all sellouts and the only way to realize how to repair America is to study how the country was operating before the Civil War. If the country was stable, then we'd have a stable economy, and WA DC would be so limited in power, you'd hardly ever hear about those clowns.

[IZRL]

1 hour ago, bottomwatcher said:

The GOP has been taken over by the Trumpers. There are not enough of them to win a general election. Other Republicans pandered to him in fear of losing their jobs. Chainey was one of the few with balls to go against him and paid the price. Romney doesn't put up with his shit either and is still hanging in there. Just to sum it up Trump has basically destroyed the Republican party so it's free reign for the Dems. Throw the current ignoramus up there no matter how bad they are as long as they don't have dementia they are a shoe in against Trump and the real puppetmasters get to keep pulling the strings. Trumps eating pets comments wasn't just a gaffe or miss speaking. It was a full on tirade by someone who is mentally unstable.  Anyone who didn't see that as what it was is wearing Trump colored glasses. His comments weren't manipulated by the Media. This was just pure unfiltered Trump.

People's assholes are still sore from getting pounded by this admin. You don't have to be a Trumper to know that there is a 100% probability we keep getting fucked if we have another Kamala admin.

 

I voted for Biden last election but unless RFK Jr or Gabbard ever run as dems. I don't see myself voting dem ever again. They have completely gone off the rails. They have shown that they're against upholding the constitution and traditional American values and to be honest they're against America period. I've listed multiple reasons why I won't vote dem ever again, but I wouldn't vote for them even if it was just for one reason, the fact that they're perverts, pedophiles, and for child mutilation/ sterilization.

 

Edited Tuesday at 06:17 PM by IZRL

[datzenmike]

17 minutes ago, Dan. said:

I tend to hold the more cynical position. They are all sellouts and the only way to realize how to repair America is to study how the country was operating before the Civil War. If the country was stable, then we'd have a stable economy, and WA DC would be so limited in power, you'd hardly ever hear about those clowns.

 

 

Too many social, political and economic changes and innovations over the last 165 years for the past to be relevant as a model other than to sigh and perhaps say "Ahhh the good old days."

[john510]

22 minutes ago, Dan. said:

I tend to hold the more cynical position. They are all sellouts and the only way to realize how to repair America is to study how the country was operating before the Civil War. If the country was stable, then we'd have a stable economy, and WA DC would be so limited in power, you'd hardly ever hear about those clowns.

Before the Civil War ? When we had slavery that caused the civil war ? 

[Dan.]

Hello Mike.

Would you mind telling me how I reply to a specific message in a thread pal?

 

[Dan.]

4 minutes ago, john510 said:

Before the Civil War ? When we had slavery that caused the civil war ? 

Okay figured out the quote thing great. My point is that nobody even knows what government is anymore. The Civil War was not about slavery, it was about the financial system. Would you rather have physical slaves or financial banking slaves? Today everyone is a financial slave, just take this online forumn as example. Nobody has any rights, but we all have the privilege to use the forumn, so long as we do not upset the forumn masters. That is the definition of democracy. The illusion of freedom.

[bananahamuck]

[john510]

21 minutes ago, Dan. said:

Okay figured out the quote thing great. My point is that nobody even knows what government is anymore. The Civil War was not about slavery, it was about the financial system. Would you rather have physical slaves or financial banking slaves? Today everyone is a financial slave, just take this online forumn as example. Nobody has any rights, but we all have the privilege to use the forumn, so long as we do not upset the forumn masters. That is the definition of democracy. The illusion of freedom.

I can agree that nobody even knows what government is anymore. That's about it. 

[datzenmike]

1 hour ago, Dan. said:

Okay figured out the quote thing great. My point is that nobody even knows what government is anymore. The Civil War was not about slavery, it was about the financial system. Would you rather have physical slaves or financial banking slaves? Today everyone is a financial slave, just take this online forumn as example. Nobody has any rights, but we all have the privilege to use the forumn, so long as we do not upset the forumn masters. That is the definition of democracy. The illusion of freedom.

 

Whatever gave you the idea that this forum is a democracy????

[Dan.]

2 minutes ago, datzenmike said:

 

Whatever gave you the idea that this forum is a democracy????

 

DEMOCRACY(verb): the act of voting for elected government.

DEMOCRACY(noun): self-appointed government power.
 

Word Origin: (Greek)
Demos: People

Kratos: Power

 

 

 

REPUBLIC(noun): a public government, common government

 

Word Origin: (Latin)

Res: Affair, Matter, Pertaining to
Publicus: common, people, general

[datzenmike]

Thank you for making my point for me.

[Dan.]

24 minutes ago, datzenmike said:

Thank you for making my point for me.

Like already said, Public means I can do whatever I want so long as I do not injure other people. A democracy is a government of peoples feelings, like Starbucks. It may seem like a public place, but break the Starbucks rules and you'll be outta there faster than your ding dong in an ant hill.

And you're confusing my point of how a democracy(noun) is a self-appointed government (tyranny).

[frankendat]

11 minutes ago, Dan. said:

Like already said, Public means I can do whatever I want as long as I do not injure other people. A democracy is a government of peoples feelings, like Starbucks. It may seem like a public place, but break the Starbucks rules and you'll be outta there faster than your ding dong in an ant hill.

You are overlooking salient facts in the idealization of a pre-civil war America. The economy was stable because the United States was fucking an entire race of people. In capitalist society, the more someone else looses the more others win and thousands were kidnapped and brought, for the sole purpose of losing. In capitalist theory there is a balance, where business will not exploit too much or it cuts its own throat, but if the opportunity presents e.g. slavery, child workers, Chinese forced labor etc. Capitalism will seize it. I advocate neither socialism nor communism, but realize capitalism must be tempered. Glorifying a time when it was not, attempts to grant validity, to a time and practice of moral repugnance.   

[datzenmike]

16 minutes ago, Dan. said:

Like already said, Public means I can do whatever I want so long as I do not injure other people. A democracy is a government of peoples feelings, like Starbucks. It may seem like a public place, but break the Starbucks rules and you'll be outta there faster than your ding dong in an ant hill.

And you're confusing my point of how a democracy(noun) is a self-appointed government (tyranny).

 

You're wrong, even in public you can't do whatever you like. There are any amount of things that doesn't involve hurting others that will get you stopped, arrested or sent to the loony bin for observation.

 

'democracy(noun) is a self-appointed government (tyranny).' Very catchy and for the most part meaningless as your current government was elected and any 'power' given it by the people. Where does self appointed equate to tyranny? You seem upset with your government. Pissed off with things. Are you planning a trip to DC????

 

 

40 minutes ago, Dan. said:

 

DEMOCRACY(verb): the act of voting for elected government.

DEMOCRACY(noun): self-appointed government power.
 

 

 

 

[Dan.]

There is scant proof that the present government was democratically elected.  Hitler was democratically elected. The only time I will trust the voting machines in this country is when they are 100% verifably fullproof, which could easily be made by somebody in grade school. Are you gonna tell me why all my comments are moderated? Did I hurt your democratic feelings?

[Dan.]

16 minutes ago, frankendat said:

You are overlooking salient facts in the idealization of a pre-civil war America. The economy was stable because the United States was fucking an entire race of people. In capitalist society, the more someone else looses the more others win and thousands were kidnapped and brought, for the sole purpose of losing. In capitalist theory there is a balance, where business will not exploit too much or it cuts its own throat, but if the opportunity presents e.g. slavery, child workers, Chinese forced labor etc. Capitalism will seize it. I advocate neither socialism nor communism, but realize capitalism must be tempered. Glorifying a time when it was not, attempts to grant validity, to a time and practice of moral repugnance.   

Frank, if you knew anything about WW2, you'd know the communist economy was called "international capitalism". Karl Marx started out in New York before going to Russia. People ought to break out of the mile high layer of shit causing no end of confusion. Countries are not built by everybody coming together and singing koombaya. They are built by races of people naturally growing on the land. No Land and People = No Race. No Race = No Identity.  No Identity = Slavery.

[frankendat]

3 hours ago, IZRL said:

People's assholes are still sore from getting pounded by this admin. You don't have to be a Trumper to know that there is a 100% probability we keep getting fucked if we have another Kamala admin.

 

I voted for Biden last election but unless RFK Jr or Gabbard ever run as dems. I don't see myself voting dem ever again. They have completely gone off the rails. They have shown that they're against upholding the constitution and traditional American values and to be honest they're against America period. I've listed multiple reasons why I won't vote dem ever again, but I wouldn't vote for them even if it was just for one reason, the fact that they're perverts, pedophiles, and for child mutilation/ sterilization.

 

I know Trump is not the best choice, but DAMN how much evidence of real, dramatic, bad things, which are real-not speculative, not theoretical, not hyperbole real bad, negative, government ending, communist installing, individual liberty destroying bad things, that will be furthered if Harris is elected. 

[tr8er]

We are not a democracy.  That word merely represents the idea that we are hoping to best represent in our republic.  The democratic model doesn't scale up easily, so the model is best not applied to nations.  We try to ensure that the people have their voices heard, and that their interests are represented in the vote.  We have done a decent job of that because thus far we have not allowed a party or person to stand above our founding charter.  

 

Frankendat is spot on with capitalism, and you can project on the implications in a democracy.  Especially one where we grant personhood to corporations.  The richer the rich get, the poorer the poor get.  Or middle class etc.  Capitalism in and of itself sees no issue with that.  Regulation is not a bad thing.  It is just rules.  Regulation is why you cant shoot for three at the free-throw line.  As with all things, regulations are ever evolving and devolving.  The tenth amendment puts strains on having those regulations be consistent across states, but that has some advantages as well as disadvantages. 

 

Fantasizing about pre-Civil War financial systems or social constructs is nothing new, and holds no more merit this time than any of the others.  The Civil War did bring about some changes.  Namely the 12th - 14th amendments.  None of which were related to financial systems.  All of which were related to clear dissolvement of slavery.  Financial slavery is a very real thing, though you are not talking about financial slavery, you are talking about usury and debt.  Which feels like slavery without the whole actual slavery part.   

[datzenmike]

Well you are on the correct forum for this. This is where you bitch about your duly elected government (or was that tyranny?) while doing little about it. Some wear MAGA hats others tin foil. 

 

Marks was German and 'started out' earlier in Prussia. Closest he came to New York was writing columns for the New York Daily Tribune in London I think.

 

"No Land and People = No Race. No Race = No Identity.  No Identity = Slavery. " Catchy phrase but if there is no land and people how can there be slavery?????

 

[a.d._510_n_ok]

[datzenmike]

They only gave you a Briss, turtle neck.