destruction of america

[angliagt]

      Just be sure you don't pull the trigger while doing that.

[datzenmike]

I edge a bit first but hell yeah.

[angliagt]

2 hours ago, a.d._510_n_ok said:

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/10/27/biden-appointed-us-attorney-admits-he-declined-to-prosecute-hunter-his-excuse-is-a-doozy-1407824/ no Cali tax fraud charges for Hunter because the state's AG says they have "insufficient funds" to pursue the case.

 

        But somehow managed to fund programs for all the Illegals in the state - how conveinent.

[a.d._510_n_ok]

[datzenmike]

Didn't he wander off and get lost?

[john510]

1 hour ago, datzenmike said:

I masturbate with my gun and change hands often.. 

Well that's weird.

[datzenmike]

Guns are the ultimate phallic symbol. Who wouldn't want extra mags?

[paradime]

So that's why you  masturbate with one? TMI Mike.

Edited October 28, 2023 by paradime

[paradime]

Glad to report, Robert Carr is dead.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 28, 2023 by paradime

[datzenmike]

Mental problems cured.

[john510]

9 hours ago, paradime said:

Glad to report, Robert Carr is dead.

 

 

 

 

Good ! That's better than watching some dirtbag lawyer fight for the guy's rights to a fair trial.And an insanity plea.

[datzenmike]

Why not instead take his guns away and prevented ownership of them and have a lawyer argue why he should be mentally competent enough to be allowed to have them? In fact why not prevent all ownership unless competency is proven on a regular basis? It's always the same, after the fact, friends and family all say "Oh yeah, he had mental health issues lately." If someone sees a backpack left in an airport they would raise the alarm, if someone is driving erratically or they see smoke they would phone 911 and there is a response. So what really happens if you call the authorities about your erratic armed neighbor? There's nothing really in place to do anything because 2nd amendment doesn't mention competency. Without the will to change it's business as usual.

[john510]

1 hour ago, datzenmike said:

Why not instead take his guns away and prevented ownership of them and have a lawyer argue why he should be mentally competent enough to be allowed to have them? In fact why not prevent all ownership unless competency is proven on a regular basis? It's always the same, after the fact, friends and family all say "Oh yeah, he had mental health issues lately." If someone sees a backpack left in an airport they would raise the alarm, if someone is driving erratically or they see smoke they would phone 911 and there is a response. So what really happens if you call the authorities about your erratic armed neighbor? There's nothing really in place to do anything because 2nd amendment doesn't mention competency. Without the will to change it's business as usual.

I did some reading about this guy.He had a history of mental health issues.He made threats while in the military.Divorced twice and one wife had a restraining order against him.He also voted for Obama.I saw a lot of blame placed on the Republicans for not creating stricter gun control laws which I find quite hypocritical considering Democratic policies on fighting crime nowadays.I just have to wonder who dropped the ball as far as getting the guns taken away from this guy ? This isn't the first time the authorities did nothing when credible threats were made and actually carried out.Can we place some of the blame on the military,FBI and local law enforcement ? Somebody had to know this guy had the potential to do something bad.

[datzenmike]

2 hours ago, john510 said:

... He also voted for Obama....

 

Well there's a mental health crisis issue right there.

[a.d._510_n_ok]

Biden et al spends three years demoralizing, demeaning and deconstructing the US military in the name of social justice. US military power is the most neutered its been since the peanut farmer was POTUS. Libs would love to have massive numbers of American boots on the ground in Ukraine and Gaza. They lack the bodies and the public support to make that happen. For the first time in my life a massive attack on Israel by Hamas has been followed up by huge international pro-Palestinian protests and not because of antisemitism but because huge numbers of LEFTISTS view Israel as an apartheid state with Jews being white oppressors of POC. The progressive BLM movement of 2020-21 convinced the entire world that only white folks could be oppressors and that any violence perpetrated by POC is forgivable because of systemic racism inflicted upon them by the mayonnaise demon colonizers. The democrats' chickens are coming home to roost.

[paradime]

8 hours ago, john510 said:

I did some reading about this guy.He had a history of mental health issues.He made threats while in the military.Divorced twice and one wife had a restraining order against him.He also voted for Obama.I saw a lot of blame placed on the Republicans for not creating stricter gun control laws which I find quite hypocritical considering Democratic policies on fighting crime nowadays.I just have to wonder who dropped the ball as far as getting the guns taken away from this guy ? This isn't the first time the authorities did nothing when credible threats were made and actually carried out.Can we place some of the blame on the military,FBI and local law enforcement ? Somebody had to know this guy had the potential to do something bad.

These political blaming cheep shots follow every tragedy like this, and never helps solve the underlying problems they mock.

 

Other than enforcing the X's restraining order, we don't know if law enforcement was ever ordered to seise his guns at any time. His military commanders made the referral for getting him medical treatment reporting his erratic, violent, psychotic behavior, and making verbal threats of mortal violence to others. Did this raise a big enough red flag? Apparently not. In Maine, the psychiatrist who treated this guy had a duty to report violent threats made by his patient to law enforcement, and to take action to warn and protect potential victims of the danger, similar to the Tarasoff rule.  

 

For Maine §3300-I. Duty to warn and protect:

"A physician licensed under this chapter has a duty to warn of or to take reasonable precautions to provide protection from a patient's violent behavior if the physician has a reasonable belief based on communications with the patient that the patient is likely to engage in physical violence that poses a serious risk of harm to self or others. The duty imposed under this subsection may not be interpreted to require the physician to take any action that in the reasonable professional judgment of the physician would endanger the physician or increase the threat of danger to a potential victim. 

 

Clearly this dingbat reached this threshold and the ball was dropped like a hot potato here. Now with the full investigation to come, it's no shock that as usual, everyone responsible for protecting the public, from federal, state, and local law enforcement to health providers, state and fed law makers, all the way up to the Whitehouse have gone into full CYA mode. And once again nothing will change. 

 

 

 

BTW, has anyone heard from Bottomwatch? He spends half of his life there, so I'm sure this tragedy is far more real for him.

Edited October 29, 2023 by paradime

[frankendat]

On 10/26/2023 at 6:21 PM, paradime said:

 

Nail, meet hammer right there.

 

I agree, with so many guns already in the hands of irresponsible morons without lack common sense restraint, enforcement of today's "Gun Laws" are as useless as a donkey fart in a dust storm.

 

As I see it, these are three questions we need to address if we have any hope of slowing mass shootings from being our new norm.

 

With our healthcare industry profiting from their grossly under staffed, throw pills at the problem approach to mental health, unstable violent people are left to fend for themselves and the problem becomes our responsibility. With the mounting stress of modern life, health care workers are completely overwhelmed and WAY more ill people are being turned out on the street with a hand full of meds. When it comes to protecting the public from harm, I believe our health care system is just throwing gas on the fire with their greed. Should this kind of profit at the cost of public safety be protected under Free Market Capitalism?  And if not, would a Canadian style socialized medicine be any better? 

 

Fear mongering and violent rhetoric permeates social media, and the only "conspiracy" I see are the content providers algorithms that guid violent wing nuts to violent content. With that much power and influence on our society, should their freedom to pouring more gas on the fire be protected by the 1st amendment? And if not, what acronym can we trust to protect us from this financial greed monster?

 

When I was a boy learning to shoot, the NRA had no other agenda than to promote safe and responsible gun ownership. Back then, they stressed the importance of safe storage and not leaving ammunition and loaded weapons around your house. Today their primary agenda is to protect their interpretation of the 2nd amendment by blocking any and all attempts for common sense gun control. This includes any mandate for safe storage of firearms. So with that kind of legislative power, is the NRA's fight for broader 2nd Amendment gun rights making us safer, or do they also derive power and profit from throwing more gas on the fire? Even if the majority of Americans support stronger gun laws, would passing new federal laws only be seen as progress by some, and just another step in a long term goal of a complete federal ban on firearms by others? 

 

I love my country and understand that with my great freedoms comes great responsibility. In today's media terrified over stressed I-Me-My-and F everyone else society, social responsibility is in short supply. Even with this new found freedom of purely subjective moral reasoning, why is no one asking who's profiting from all this madness? In the Land of The Brave we've been brainwashed to be dependent on the system for our safety, and to believe that unrestrained plutocracy is the same as free market capitalism. And so I believe it's complacency that created this mess, and we have the feckless corporate dependent government we deserve. 

 

 

It could be the details have not been sorted, because you do not care enough about this issue, to sort them, but "Common Sense Gun Control"(CSGC) is meaningless rhetoric. It is  political smokescreen deployed when facts are too messy, too convoluted, to make a meme worthy point. 

An example: CSGC-Mandate for safe storage-Have you given any thought on how that would be applied? enforced? First, to see if your firearms and ammunition are safely stored, the inspector would need to have a current list of all the firearms and ammunition in your possession. Would there be annual checks? Random checks? The progression, as demonstrated throughout history, is registration begets confiscation. 

 

I am with you-

"In the Land of The Brave we've been brainwashed to be dependent on the system for our safety, and to believe that unrestrained plutocracy is the same as free market capitalism. And so I believe it's complacency that created this mess, and we have the feckless corporate dependent government we deserve."

 

The more firearms are restricted in society, the more, you are dependent on society. The knee jerk response to this is "The Government is not trying to take your guns." Except the sitting President has stated that the Government will come and take your guns. A direct attack on gun owners is possible but would be stupid. In the past I would yield that door to door gun confiscation should not be a legitimate concern, but with the current political climate, it seems a viable. 

 

But gun rights are embedded in the fabric of America and it seems highly unlikely a politician would seek a direct war. It should be remembered that firearms are not illegal to own in Great Britain,  the back ground checks, training, certifications, taxes, fees, etc. etc. etc. make owning a firearm only possible for the rich. Which is a viable argument, more crime is committed with firearms (and without) by the poor and lower class. If firearms are regulated to the point where only the affluent can afford them, then there will be less firearm crime. Of course, in addition to the wealthy, criminals will retain firearms and use them to victimize the poor/lower/middle class, but those scared of guns don't care about that.

 

Perhaps you have noticed the increase of "new" trigger locks, gun locks and gun safes on the market; the proliferation of gun training centers? The aforementioned businesses are looking to become very profitable if or when "Certified" training or "Approved" gun safes become "mandated". As you pointed out, follow the money. 

To be effective for home defense, a firearm must be part of a system, but within that system it must be dependable, quickly and easily accessible, and fully functional. Some might be comfortable  placing the safety of their families in the hands of the safe manufacturer or gun trigger lock and I respect their right to take that risk. I do not wish to risk mine. Firearms are stored in my house, as they were stored in my father's house, as they were stored in his father's house (100+ years of storage without incident)- cleaned, lubricated, concealed but accessible and loaded. A firearm for emergencies that cannot be quickly and easily accessed in emergencies is useless. An unloaded firearm is a poor club (despite Hollywood depictions). Finally, the NRA safe storage guidelines were suggestions and if the number 1 rule is followed-"Treat every gun as if it were loaded at all times" where and how the firearm is stored isn't significant. (Father NRA instructor)

 

Returning to CSGC: Guns laws are complex and nuanced and are not captured with catch phrases. We might find some points of common ground, but I am absolute on this issue. Given the constant overreach of governmental factions e.g. CA, NY, I will use my insignificant are mostly ceremonial political capital to endorse fully and without reservation any legislation, regulation, political official or candidature backed by the NRA. Ending with some mostly meaningless rhetoric. From my cold dead hands...  

[thisismatt]

7 hours ago, paradime said:

BTW, has anyone heard from Bottomwatch? He spends half of his life there, so I'm sure this tragedy is far more real for him.

 

Last visited 4 hours ago 🤷‍♂️

[paradime]

1 hour ago, thisismatt said:

 

Last visited 4 hours ago 🤷‍♂️

Yeah, I PMed him and he's doing fine. Up to his neck in boat parts working on his like a kid on a candy binge.

[paradime]

1 hour ago, frankendat said:

It could be the details have not been sorted, because you do not care enough about this issue, to sort them, but "Common Sense Gun Control"(CSGC) is meaningless rhetoric. It is  political smokescreen deployed when facts are too messy, too convoluted, to make a meme worthy point. 

An example: -Mandate for safe storage-Have you given any thought on how that would be applied? enforced? First, to see if your firearms and ammunition are safely stored, the inspector would need to have a current list of all the firearms and ammunition in your possession. Would there be annual checks? Random checks? The progression, as demonstrated throughout history, is registration begets confiscation. 

 

I am with you-

"In the Land of The Brave we've been brainwashed to be dependent on the system for our safety, and to believe that unrestrained plutocracy is the same as free market capitalism. And so I believe it's complacency that created this mess, and we have the feckless corporate dependent government we deserve."

 

The more firearms are restricted in society, the more, you are dependent on society. The knee jerk response to this is "The Government is not trying to take your guns." Except the sitting President has stated that the Government will come and take your guns. A direct attack on gun owners is possible but would be stupid. In the past I would yield that door to door gun confiscation should not be a legitimate concern, but with the current political climate, it seems a viable. 

 

But gun rights are embedded in the fabric of America and it seems highly unlikely a politician would seek a direct war. It should be remembered that firearms are not illegal to own in Great Britain,  the back ground checks, training, certifications, taxes, fees, etc. etc. etc. make owning a firearm only possible for the rich. Which is a viable argument, more crime is committed with firearms (and without) by the poor and lower class. If firearms are regulated to the point where only the affluent can afford them, then there will be less firearm crime. Of course, in addition to the wealthy, criminals will retain firearms and use them to victimize the poor/lower/middle class, but those scared of guns don't care about that.

 

Perhaps you have noticed the increase of "new" trigger locks, gun locks and gun safes on the market; the proliferation of gun training centers? The aforementioned businesses are looking to become very profitable if or when "Certified" training or "Approved" gun safes become "mandated". As you pointed out, follow the money. 

To be effective for home defense, a firearm must be part of a system, but within that system it must be dependable, quickly and easily accessible, and fully functional. Some might be comfortable  placing the safety of their families in the hands of the safe manufacturer or gun trigger lock and I respect their right to take that risk. I do not wish to risk mine. Firearms are stored in my house, as they were stored in my father's house, as they were stored in his father's house (100+ years of storage without incident)- cleaned, lubricated, concealed but accessible and loaded. A firearm for emergencies that cannot be quickly and easily accessed in emergencies is useless. An unloaded firearm is a poor club (despite Hollywood depictions). Finally, the NRA safe storage guidelines were suggestions and if the number 1 rule is followed-"Treat every gun as if it were loaded at all times" where and how the firearm is stored isn't significant. (Father NRA instructor)

 

Returning to CSGC: Guns laws are complex and nuanced and are not captured with catch phrases. We might find some points of common ground, but I am absolute on this issue. Given the constant overreach of governmental factions e.g. CA, NY, I will use my insignificant are mostly ceremonial political capital to endorse fully and without reservation any legislation, regulation, political official or candidature backed by the NRA. Ending with some mostly meaningless rhetoric. From my cold dead hands...  

 

I care enough about this issue not to buy either sides chicken little propaganda. Unlike spoon fed media sheeple, I follow the money, fact check the political rhetoric, and research multiple sources of data.  I live in an urban environment in one of the "faction" states and a place the puppet show media tells you is a crime infested shit whole. I don't live in fear of my neighbors or my government. In fact, I keep my guns locked up for my families safety, because that's what my father and the NRA taught me to do 50 years ago. On the advice of my Tx cousin who works for Homeland Security, I now have a Louisville Slugger next to my bed.

 

At it's highest point the NRA made $379 mill and the firearms industry made $51.3 billion. Today, most people can see we have a problem that needs to be addressed, and still the NRA and gun lobby's rhetoric is "CSGC puts us in danger, but more guns will make us safer." Ask yourself, who profits from this logic?

 

Speaking of overreach of governmental factions, here are the number of gun related deaths per 100K state residents in 2021:

California, 9

New York 5.4

Idaho, 16.5

 

Now ask yourself, who has CSGCs?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-deaths-per-capita-by-state

[thisismatt]

4 hours ago, paradime said:

 

I care enough about this issue not to buy either sides chicken little propaganda. Unlike spoon fed media sheeple, I follow the money, fact check the political rhetoric, and research multiple sources of data.  I live in an urban environment in one of the "faction" states and a place the puppet show media tells you is a crime infested shit whole. I don't live in fear of my neighbors or my government. In fact, I keep my guns locked up for my families safety, because that's what my father and the NRA taught me to do 50 years ago. On the advice of my Tx cousin who works for Homeland Security, I now have a Louisville Slugger next to my bed.

 

At it's highest point the NRA made $379 mill and the firearms industry made $51.3 billion. Today, most people can see we have a problem that needs to be addressed, and still the NRA and gun lobby's rhetoric is "CSGC puts us in danger, but more guns will make us safer." Ask yourself, who profits from this logic?

 

Speaking of overreach of governmental factions, here are the number of gun related deaths per 100K state residents in 2021:

California, 9

New York 5.4

Idaho, 16.5

 

Now ask yourself, who has CSGCs?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-deaths-per-capita-by-state

 

But have you considered that California and NY would be better off if more criminals were put down in the act? Maybe Idaho just has a better straight-to-their-maker percentage...

[john510]

1 hour ago, thisismatt said:

 

But have you considered that California and NY would be better off if more criminals were put down in the act? Maybe Idaho just has a better straight-to-their-maker percentage...

Some would never consider that.We had a news report here in San Diego claiming crime numbers are down in the city.Bullshit.What we have is less people reporting crime because they know it's a waste of time and we have less prosecutions to make the stats look better.Less arrests and prosecution will obviously make the numbers look better.

[john510]

[paradime]

54 minutes ago, john510 said:

So we're supposed to believe that removing these 5 cities would lower the entire US 186 positions for highest murder rate in the word? Have you considered this might be cherry picking data to support some BS political rhetoric? 

 

Murder Rates (per 100k citizens) vs total count

 

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/murder-rate-by-country

 

Country	Homicide Rate	Homicide Count	Year
El Salvador	52.02	3,340	2018
Jamaica	43.85	1,287	2018
Lesotho	43.56	897	2015
Honduras	38.93	3,732	2018
Belize	37.79	142	2017
Venezuela	36.69	10,598	2018
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines	36.54	40	2016
South Africa	36.40	21,036	2018
Saint Kitts and Nevis	36.09	18	2012
Nigeria	34.52	64,201	2016
Bahamas	31.96	122	2017
Trinidad and Tobago	30.65	420	2015
Mexico	29.07	36,685	2018
Anguilla	28.34	4	2014
Saint Martin	27.73	10	2016
Brazil	27.38	57,358	2018
Dominica	26.59	19	2017
Colombia	25.34	12,586	2018
Guatemala	22.50	3,881	2018
Saint Lucia	21.44	39	2018
Puerto Rico	21.09	641	2018
Montserrat	20.28	1	2012
Central African Republic	20.12	913	2016
Curacao	19.04	26	2007
Tuvalu	18.62	2	2012
Namibia	17.68	388	2012
Saint Pierre and Miquelon	15.77	1	2009
Botswana	15.25	303	2010
South Sudan	14.87	1,504	2012
Guyana	14.25	111	2018
French Guiana	13.18	30	2009
Seychelles	12.54	12	2016
Uruguay	12.06	416	2018
Eswatini	11.56	130	2017
Costa Rica	11.26	563	2018
Palau	11.17	2	2018
Antigua and Barbuda	11.06	10	2012
Grenada	10.82	12	2017
Uganda	10.52	4,497	2018
Iraq	10.07	3,339	2013
Dominican Republic	10.05	1,068	2018
Barbados	9.77	28	2018
Papua New Guinea	9.75	713	2010
Panama	9.39	392	2018
Ethiopia	8.79	8,153	2012
British Virgin Islands	8.33	2	2006
Cayman Islands	8.22	5	2014
Russia	8.21	11,964	2018
Bermuda	8.14	5	2017
Peru	7.91	2,487	2017
Kiribati	7.52	8	2012
Zimbabwe	7.48	981	2012
Nicaragua	7.19	453	2016
Paraguay	7.14	497	2018
Yemen	6.77	1,703	2013
Haiti	6.68	743	2018
Afghanistan	6.66	2,474	2018
Tanzania	6.48	3,439	2016
Philippines	6.46	6,895	2018
Bolivia	6.22	686	2016
Ukraine	6.18	2,751	2017
Mongolia	6.18	196	2018
Burundi	6.05	635	2016
Mayotte	5.93	12	2009
Ecuador	5.80	991	2018
Guadeloupe	5.75	23	2016
Turks and Caicos Islands	5.65	2	2014
Suriname	5.43	31	2017
American Samoa	5.38	3	2016
Zambia	5.37	853	2015
Argentina	5.32	2,362	2018
Greenland	5.32	3	2016
Sudan	5.15	1,702	2008
Kazakhstan	5.06	915	2017
Cuba	5.05	572	2016
*United States*	4.96	16,214	2018
Kenya	4.93	2,533	2018
Angola	4.85	1,217	2012
Lithuania	4.57	128	2018
Niger	4.43	788	2012
Chile	4.40	825	2018
Latvia	4.36	84	2018
Turkmenistan	4.22	203	2006
Moldova	4.10	166	2018
Timor Leste	4.10	49	2015
Marshall Islands	3.98	2	1994
Pakistan	3.88	8,241	2018
Solomon Islands	3.77	19	2008
Mozambique	3.51	849	2011
Cook Islands	3.49	1	2012
Liberia	3.26	135	2012
Sao Tome and Principe	3.25	6	2011
New Caledonia	3.20	8	2009
Samoa	3.15	6	2013
India	3.08	41,651	2018
Tunisia	3.06	332	2012
Gibraltar	2.98	1	2010
Mauritius	2.92	37	2018
Martinique	2.77	11	2009
Liechtenstein	2.64	1	2018
Turkey	2.59	2,133	2018
Thailand	2.58	1,787	2017
Rwanda	2.58	293	2015
Egypt	2.55	2,207	2012
Guam	2.50	4	2011
Iran	2.50	1,936	2014
Lebanon	2.49	171	2018
Hungary	2.49	242	2017
Sri Lanka	2.42	514	2018
Belarus	2.39	226	2018
Bangladesh	2.37	3,830	2018
Fiji	2.31	20	2014
Nepal	2.30	627	2016
Albania	2.29	66	2018
Myanmar	2.26	1,198	2016
Montenegro	2.23	14	2018
Georgia	2.22	89	2018
Azerbaijan	2.20	219	2018
Kyrgyzstan	2.19	138	2018
Malaysia	2.13	627	2013
Estonia	2.12	28	2018
Ghana	2.09	609	2017
Aruba	1.93	2	2014
Cambodia	1.84	268	2011
Kuwait	1.82	61	2012
Reunion	1.82	15	2009
Malawi	1.81	279	2012
Canada	1.76	651	2018
Sierra Leone	1.73	124	2015
Armenia	1.69	50	2018
Belgium	1.69	193	2017
Tajikistan	1.64	126	2011
Finland	1.63	90	2018
Malta	1.59	7	2018
Vietnam	1.53	1,358	2011
Israel	1.49	123	2017
Morocco	1.42	510	2018
Cameroon	1.39	341	2017
Algeria	1.36	542	2015
Jordan	1.36	133	2017
Bulgaria	1.30	92	2018
Romania	1.28	250	2018
Saudi Arabia	1.27	419	2017
Cyprus	1.26	15	2018
Burkina Faso	1.25	240	2017
Serbia	1.23	108	2018
United Kingdom	1.20	809	2018
North Macedonia	1.20	25	2018
France	1.20	779	2018
Bhutan	1.19	9	2018
Bosnia and Herzegovina	1.17	39	2018
Guinea Bissau	1.15	21	2017
Slovakia	1.14	62	2018
Uzbekistan	1.14	363	2017
Benin	1.13	126	2017
Sweden	1.08	108	2018
Denmark	1.01	58	2018
Tonga	0.97	1	2012
Austria	0.97	86	2018
Germany	0.95	788	2018
Greece	0.94	99	2018
Australia	0.89	222	2018
Iceland	0.89	3	2018
Syria	0.88	149	2018
Ireland	0.87	42	2018
Taiwan	0.82	192	2015
Portugal	0.79	81	2018
New Zealand	0.74	35	2017
Poland	0.73	277	2018
Maldives	0.72	3	2013
Hong Kong	0.65	48	2018
Spain	0.62	290	2018
South Korea	0.60	309	2018
Switzerland	0.59	50	2018
Netherlands	0.59	100	2018
Croatia	0.58	24	2018
Italy	0.57	345	2018
China	0.53	7,525	2018
Bahrain	0.52	7	2014
Brunei	0.49	2	2013
Palestine	0.49	24	2018
Slovenia	0.48	10	2018
Norway	0.47	25	2018
United Arab Emirates	0.46	44	2017
Indonesia	0.43	1,150	2017
French Polynesia	0.38	1	2009
Qatar	0.37	9	2014
Luxembourg	0.34	2	2017
Oman	0.27	13	2018
Senegal	0.27	39	2015
Japan	0.26	334	2018
Singapore	0.16	9	2018
Isle of Man			2016
Andorra			2015
Monaco			2015
San Marino			2011

 

 

 

Peru

[paradime]

4 hours ago, thisismatt said:

 

But have you considered that California and NY would be better off if more criminals were put down in the act? Maybe Idaho just has a better straight-to-their-maker percentage...

Some would never consider that these are murder rates and not justifiable self defense.