datsunfreak Posted August 6, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 1 hour ago, dimlight65 said: Today on "No Context Theater"... After looking around at different high temp engine paints, well.... My oil pressure sender did not fit in the space provided, but I found a cool brass adapter that allows you to mount it at a 45 or a 90 degree angle from stock (no, it's not painted)... Valve covers, intake, and timing cover on... Hoping to get crank pulley back on next time, and maybe swap oil pan and install dizzy. 👍 4 Quote Link to comment
EDM620 Posted August 6, 2022 Report Share Posted August 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, datsunfreak said: After looking around at different high temp engine paints, well.... I like, but I might be biased Engine gonna look sharp! 2 Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted August 8, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2022 On 8/6/2022 at 6:32 PM, EDM620 said: I like, but I might be biased Engine gonna look sharp! Is this a KA with a steel valve cover?!? Quote Link to comment
Duncan Posted August 8, 2022 Report Share Posted August 8, 2022 I'm liking the gold! Is this painted or anodized? Looks like anodized in the photo... Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted August 8, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2022 (edited) 21 hours ago, Duncan said: I'm liking the gold! Is this painted or anodized? Looks like anodized in the photo... Actually, neither. 😁 The oil pan is gold cad plated. It may get painted, not sure yet. Original plan was to keep it as is to compliment a blue block. But the block most likely isn't gonna be blue now, so... 😋 Edited August 9, 2022 by datsunfreak 1 Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted August 11, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2022 On 8/8/2022 at 10:47 AM, datsunfreak said: The oil pan is gold cad plated. It may get painted, not sure yet. Original plan was to keep it as is And decided to leave it as is. 😁 Also installed the harmonic balancer and timing pointer from my 302 to make life easier down the road... While swapping the pan, I noticed the inside of the crankcase also looked brand new, you can even see the crosshatch on the cylinders was freshly done. I am 99% sure this engine was recently rebuilt. While the pan was off, I also removed the rear sump pickup tube and installed one for a front sump (forgot to take a pic)... Tried to install the distributer, but that failed epically. I had ordered a new one, but it doesn't not fit into the block very well (too tight at the base, like it was machined a few thousands too large)... Plus it came out of the box with the vacuum canister damaged... Gonna see if I can find a reman factory dizzy, or may just go with something aftermarket... 3 Quote Link to comment
Duncan Posted August 11, 2022 Report Share Posted August 11, 2022 2 hours ago, datsunfreak said: Gonna see if I can find a reman factory dizzy, or may just go with something aftermarket... Not that I have ever really priced dizzys, but that seems incredibly inexpensive. 1 1 Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted August 11, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2022 3 hours ago, Duncan said: Not that I have ever really priced dizzys, but that seems incredibly inexpensive. Like a lot of things, they only come in two prices, either just under $100, or just over $300... 😄 And it seems to be down to whose name is on it. They are all made in China nowadays... 🙄 After doing some digging, I was able to find a company that offers a "matchbox" type distributor for it, at a reasonable price. Tim keeps suggesting using the GM style HEI, but they are so big and ugly that I just can't do it. Obviously the HEI is nice because the coil and spark box are internal, which beats the OEM style I wanted to use (both external). This matchbox dizzy splits the difference with internal spark box and external coil... 2 Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted August 11, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2022 Point the second is... I am 99% sure I am going to buy the Edelbrock AVS2 carb for now, just to keep it simple. Then some day down the road, after I put a few miles on it, I will convert to the Holley Sniper EFI and use the Sniper dizzy so I have fuel and spark control in one unit. 2 Quote Link to comment
Duncan Posted August 11, 2022 Report Share Posted August 11, 2022 49 minutes ago, datsunfreak said: Tim keeps suggesting using the GM style HEI, but they are so big and ugly that I just can't do it. And the Ford dizzy is right at the forefront for God and everyone else to see.... 2 Quote Link to comment
Duncan Posted August 11, 2022 Report Share Posted August 11, 2022 49 minutes ago, datsunfreak said: I am 99% sure I am going to buy the Edelbrock AVS2 carb for now, just to keep it simple. You need to put an enabler warning on this for me 🙂 I need to take a good photo of my current carb and intake (both Edelbrock) and see if they can tell me what I currently have. I'm not sure if I can get away with the smaller cfm unit, or if I might need the 650. My Ford runs really good, but somehow I think the AVS should make it even better... 1 1 Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted August 11, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2022 19 minutes ago, Duncan said: And the Ford dizzy is right at the forefront for God and everyone else to see.... This. I don't mind them on a Chevy or a Dodge... 😄 1 Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted August 11, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Duncan said: I need to take a good photo of my current carb and intake (both Edelbrock) and see if they can tell me what I currently have. I'm not sure if I can get away with the smaller cfm unit, or if I might need the 650. My Ford runs really good, but somehow I think the AVS should make it even better... Is yours a 350 or 305? If it's a 305, and you really prefer torque to top end, you could get away with the 500cfm instead. Slightly better throttle response and bottom end. I spoke to them and they told me a 351 is right on the edge of the 500 being too small, and if I wanted to have any mid-range I would need the 650. Ideal sizing for my engine size/cam is around 550-600cfm, so... Edited August 11, 2022 by datsunfreak 1 Quote Link to comment
EDM620 Posted August 11, 2022 Report Share Posted August 11, 2022 On 8/8/2022 at 6:35 AM, datsunfreak said: Is this a KA with a steel valve cover?!? Nope, is Nap-Z with steel valve cover 1 Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted August 12, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, EDM620 said: Nope, is Nap-Z with steel valve cover Guess it's been too long since I've seen the steel one. Didn't remember those KA-looking humps on the side. 😁 1 Quote Link to comment
Duncan Posted August 12, 2022 Report Share Posted August 12, 2022 3 hours ago, datsunfreak said: I spoke to them and they told me a 351 is right on the edge of the 500 being too small, and if I wanted to have any mid-range I would need the 650. Ideal sizing for my engine size/cam is around 550-600cfm, so... I'm pretty sure it's a 350. Has a slightly lumpy cam and aluminum heads. I don't go romping the accelerator much these days, but that Ford is fairly heavy and it scoots pretty well. I'm guessing here, but I'd say it's in the 275-300-ish horsepower range. My wife had a 305 Camaro way back when, and it was quite the dog. With the front mount kit on it to fit in everything into the Ford, the front i.d. boss on the block is totally covered. That front boss will tell you everything you need to know about the motor, and even what kind of car/truck it originally came in. I'm sure you know that, and not even sure why I'm repeating this..... 🤪 1 Quote Link to comment
EDM620 Posted August 12, 2022 Report Share Posted August 12, 2022 Well if budget wasn't a concern, I think this be real nice... 3 1 Quote Link to comment
dimlight65 Posted August 12, 2022 Report Share Posted August 12, 2022 5 hours ago, EDM620 said: Well if budget wasn't a concern, I think this be real nice... That's what I want if I build a 302 powered Jaguar... which may or may not be in the works.😉 2 Quote Link to comment
dimlight65 Posted August 12, 2022 Report Share Posted August 12, 2022 On 8/11/2022 at 1:13 PM, datsunfreak said: Tim keeps suggesting using the GM style HEI Because I'm lazy and the "all in one" aspect almost beats out the mud-fence, flat tire, butt-ugly aspect for me. 1 Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted August 15, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 On 8/12/2022 at 5:18 PM, dimlight65 said: Because I'm lazy and the "all in one" aspect almost beats out the mud-fence, flat tire, butt-ugly aspect for me. Doesn't look like it would clear your down-draft carbs though... 😁 1 Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted August 15, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 (edited) So got the (second) new distributor on, coil mounted (sort of, needs shorter bolt), water pump on (missing one bolt I need to buy), dipstick in, thermostat and housing installed, and motor mounts installed. We also took a look at, and formulated a plan for, the alternator mountings. And of course we need some more/different bolts to make that work because nothing can be simple... 😋 Also wanting to find a water pump pulley for it before we install it in the car, but I think we need to put the alternator and crank pulley on first to see which one we need. Just trying to do all the little things that are ten times easier on the stand than they are in the car... Edited August 15, 2022 by datsunfreak 2 Quote Link to comment
Duncan Posted August 15, 2022 Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 32 minutes ago, datsunfreak said: Also wanting to find a water pump pulley for it before we install it in the car, but I think we need to put the alternator and crank pulley on first to see which one we need. Just trying to do all the little things that are ten times easier on the stand than they are in the car... I'm not so sure about 351 motors, but the guys in San Diego were always hassling with different lengths of water pumps / alternators , etc, etc or their 289's or 302 motors. Hopefully, the 351 motors are better about that. Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted August 15, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Duncan said: I'm not so sure about 351 motors, but the guys in San Diego were always hassling with different lengths of water pumps / alternators , etc, etc or their 289's or 302 motors. Hopefully, the 351 motors are better about that. Well, my water pump and crank pulley are both spec'ed for a mid-70s car 351W, so that should be what water pump pulley I need, but it's tough to find listings for them that list what they are specifically made to fit. Heck, it's tough to find them even with their depth listed. It looks like as far as OEM goes, there are only 2-3 options so I'll get there eventually... 😁 Alternator is going to need (mostly) custom brackets anyway, so I'm just going to make it line up with the cranky pulley and go from there. 👍 1 Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted August 15, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, Duncan said: My wife had a 305 Camaro way back when, and it was quite the dog. Like 80s Mustangs, they were severely hampered by gearing. Put some 3.73s in it and do some strategic de-smogging, and they can be pretty peppy. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted August 15, 2022 Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 '80s 'Stangs were also heavy. On 8/11/2022 at 11:13 AM, datsunfreak said: Tim keeps suggesting using the GM style HEI, but they are so big and ugly that I just can't do it. Obviously the HEI is nice because the coil and spark box are internal, which beats the OEM style I wanted to use (both external). This matchbox dizzy splits the difference with internal spark box and external coil... Bigger will reduce arcing across plug towers and carbon tracking. Quote Link to comment
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