RedBanner Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 its like the empty can bag...... but in a building.... and with that crazy paper monies. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Quote Link to comment
yello620 Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 its like the empty can bag...... but in a building.... and with that crazy paper monies. Paper monies??? been a while since i seen any of that stuff. :( Quote Link to comment
KC Phirus Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Turbo, efi, maybe a longer stroke. Shave the heads then weld them to the block. 20lbs of boost pushing racing fuel and some serious cooling power. Take it to the moon. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Sorry not a build thread but i almost have a friend convinced to swap an l20 into his car instead of a 4age 20v but he wants to see what he will need for around 200whp n/a could someone point me to a build thread or just a parts list of their car making about this power thanks You may be able to do this but for what purpose? It will be undriveable below 6K and only alive out on the track at full throttle. Quote Link to comment
KC Phirus Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 You may be able to do this but for what purpose? To say you have an L20 with 200+ hp I personally wouldn't want to drive a datsun with over 200hp. Unless everything else is replaced so you can drive it, and stop it, with 200 hp. Quote Link to comment
datsundan Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 Troy ermish built a 2.3 liter big bore l20 that dynoed 198hp and 198tqs http://www.ermish-racing.com/home.cfm . Not 200 hp but damn near close and runs off 91 octane Quote Link to comment
Bart's 510 Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 It is posible,but very expensive,and has to rev to 10k,no power under 6k,14t:1 compression 110 octane gas,it is pretty common in racing world to see this kind of numbers.100hp per liter.Engine would be completely not drivable on the street.My race L16 bored .40 over with closed chamber head,hi lift cam lots of head work makes about 150 at the crank.Cost to build over $6000 plus intake and carbs.Better and cheaper way is to stick SR20DET and call it a day.Still 2liter engine:) Those guys can do it. http://www.rebelloracing.com/ Quote Link to comment
domn8tr Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Troy ermish built a 2.3 liter big bore l20 that dynoed 198hp and 198tqs http://www.ermish-racing.com/home.cfm . Not 200 hp but damn near close and runs off 91 octane Looks like this shows that 200HP is completely reasonable out of a stroker L4. Quite impressive numbers for 91 octane, and in my opinion 181tq and 140hp by 4000 rpm sounds completely streetable! Quote Link to comment
Ratty260z Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 Anything is possible just depends on how much you want to pay. Big bore stroker l4 with a lot of headwork, big cam, EFI, with TWM itb's good gas avalibilty running a Edis like setup for ignition and living at a good altitude for optimum timing advance I bet you could do it. Quote Link to comment
datto510 Posted December 27, 2011 Report Share Posted December 27, 2011 $2600 for 200 bolted in HP.... not too shabby. http://www.ermish-racing.com/onlinestore.cfm Quote Link to comment
bonvo Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 yes but for 2600 bucks you could go vg or ka with a few bolt ons and get more power and at a much more usable rpm with cheaper fuel Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 Exactly. You could get 200 hp from a 1200 if you try hard enough but it would be like putting a motorcycle engine in your car. No usable torque for take offs and driving around town. Terrible idle, very poor running when warming up, $7 aviation gas, accelerated strain and wear on all parts. OR 5 liter SBC... same power all day, rock steady idle in all conditions, cheap economy gas, low maintenance. Will effortlessly rip the tires off the rims. A mildly 'built' KA would work. Quote Link to comment
DottiBlue Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 And $2600 bucks is just for the long block. Still got to buy all the parts to put it together and make it run. Quote Link to comment
bonvo Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 exactly for the amount it would take to buy the ermish motor and make it run your already 5k in the hole for that you can get and build a bad ass sr ka or vg and still have a basic set up to build on and make even more power 200hp is basicly the peak of an l20b but is a rather good starting point for the other platforms mentioned Quote Link to comment
srljunkie38 Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 I guess it also depends what you want to see when you open the hood. Personally a vg is a waste of time. Heavy, not cheap to install and lets face it, bolt on's. What bolt on's. Headers, intake, a Holley. The heads are junk too. V6 torque is all you get. SR swap....geting closer. KA swap, even better. The bottom line is 200 hp from any combo isn't going to be cheap. I've dyno'd alot of combo's. The stock ka24de is the most power, (NA), for the dollar on the dyno. I'm talking about a used engine with ??? miles. Now if you want to level the playing field and rebuild that KA, cams, include a header, wiring harness work, fuel pump, x-member flip,and all the other little extra's needed to rock a good looking and running ka is going to be ALL of $5000. Same as a new 200hp 2.3 and all the bolt on's and its a nice and easy install! Which brings me back to the first comment. "It depends on what you want to see when you open the hood." I love the L-series and I think the L-series belongs in a 510. The fj20 is a pretty cool swap but hard to get parts for. The ka24de with carbs looks good too. I don't think there is easy answer to the age old question..."How to make power and not spend very much $$$". Just my opinion...Troy Ermish Quote Link to comment
bonvo Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 troy i agree that an l series looks right in a 510 engine bay all im saying is that if you want power cheap it would be less expensive to go with a newer swap vs dumping thousands into the l series Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Nissan 1.6 makes more power than 4AGE 20-valve(175 hp Nissan SR16VE to 160HP 4-AGE.20). The SR16VE-n with factory Autech parts makes 200hp -- stock! I see no reasons whatsoever for fitting 4AGE to any Nissan vehicle. Well maybe if someone gives it to you ... Whatever mods you can do to 4AGE, you can do to a Nissan engine. So what's the point? Quote Link to comment
Jayden71 Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 So I guess the OP got his answer huh :lol: Quote Link to comment
Z-train Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Hope he has 10,000 - 20,000 $$$$ to spend Can be done but your talkin' 14:1 compression and a Metric shit ton of machine work and race "only" parts NOT streetable at all power band be in the 4500-8500 range,Try a SR20 n/a ALOT cheeper and easier to get in the 200hp range ...X2 Quote Link to comment
banzai510(hainz) Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Didnt know Ratsun had alot of High Rollers$$$$$$$ Go to "the 510 Realm" Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 14:1 is streetable if you build it streetable. It doesn't require extra high-RPM or long-duration camshafts, but only takes a high-octane fuel... which probably isn't street-legal. So use E85? The octane isn't that high, but guys are reporting it allows high CRs even so. OP probably didn't get his answer. He hasn't been back ... Quote Link to comment
Guest kamakazi620 Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Didnt know Ratsun had alot of High Rollers$$$$$$$ Go to "the 510 Realm" ^^^^^^hahahahahahahahahahahahhaaha :lol: :lol: :o :o :lol: :lol: You Said it!!!!!!!! hahahahahahaa So True!!!! Quote Link to comment
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