SHADY280 Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 so this year the big project around the house is the tear down of my 1950's 1 car garage and put up a 20x24 shop, 2 bay with hoist. its only in the project datto section because it holds my dattos i work on! so heres some starting pix, i will update as progress moves along, it should be under 2 months providing inpections go well and the city is happy (i already have the permit, with engineered drawings.) Quote Link to comment
Bandit240 Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 I need to to get my shop done also. Ive got a 12x20 side shed off my granddads big shop, but i dont have a front or back wall right now. Oh yea, rocks for a floor suck. Quote Link to comment
datto510 Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 so this year the big project around the house is the tear down of my 1950's 1 car garage and put up a 20x24 shop, 2 bay with hoist. its only in the project datto section because it holds my dattos i work on! so heres some starting pix, i will update as progress moves along, it should be under 2 months providing inpections go well and the city is happy (i already have the permit, with engineered drawings.) Why tear it down? Were you feeling a breeze in the old shop?:blink: Quote Link to comment
SHADY280 Posted February 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 my old shop is 10km away, so getting anything done sucks, and no heat/water, so that means no bathrooms. also no cell reception there, so if i get hurt, im gonna die. plus now i wont have rent, saving me 220 a month, plus now in gonna have the hoist, so i can bang out side jobs ridiculously fast. plus with a kid on the way i can be at home more. kinda win,win,win. etc... Quote Link to comment
datto510 Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 my old shop is 10km away, so getting anything done sucks, and no heat/water, so that means no bathrooms. also no cell reception there, so if i get hurt, im gonna die. plus now i wont have rent, saving me 220 a month, plus now in gonna have the hoist, so i can bang out side jobs ridiculously fast. plus with a kid on the way i can be at home more. kinda win,win,win. etc... That does sound like a win, win. Best of luck to you. The hoist makes me insanely jelous.:mad: Quote Link to comment
Bleach Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 very nice! I bet its so exciting to have a bigger garage right at home. :D Quote Link to comment
hughdogz Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 1950's? That looks like wood scavenged from Noah's Ark :D Quote Link to comment
]2eDeYe Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 Hoist = me jealous Quote Link to comment
72240z Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 1950's? That looks like wood scavenged from Noah's Ark :D lmao :lol: Quote Link to comment
SHADY280 Posted February 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 yeah the hoist is nice, cost 1000 plus 400-600 install. not new, but itll lift 8000 lbs! i seriously dont know how that garage held up the snow we just had, there were roofs colapsing everywhere around, and it stayed up, and the 620 was inside. in really gonna like walking 15 ft to my shop, better than driving to a cold dark shop. although my current shop is 38x45, but i share it with my brother and his gf. plus it has a spray booth and my brothers $4000 tig machine. he says he will still share. Quote Link to comment
Skib Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 1950's? That looks like wood scavenged from Noah's Ark :D lol that is Noah's Ark, thats why they never found it :D and Noah told God "screw the animals, Im taking the Datto" Quote Link to comment
ppeters914 Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 If you lived closer, I'd help christen your new epoxy floor. :D I'm hoping to build something bigger in 2010, but it won't be (can't be) that large. Quote Link to comment
SHADY280 Posted February 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 well today my brother came over and we tore the rest of the old garage down, took 3 more hours. the first load to the dump was 2200 lbs!! and the second 750 lbs. good thing he has a dodge 3500 dually turbo diesel. the dang truck didnt even squat. heres some pix Quote Link to comment
bonvo Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 sweet project man i want a lift :( Quote Link to comment
Bleach Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 I took a load of 2400 pounds to the dump in my 620 before... once though. I even drove 55 on the freeway with that load. :D here's your new avitar Quote Link to comment
drummingpariah Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Love that avatar. I need to strike more poses like that. Quote Link to comment
SHADY280 Posted March 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 theres a big hole in my backyard, big enought to fit a b210 in it. they are gonna fill it with gravel for uneeded drainage, just in case. its the cities rules. Quote Link to comment
72240z Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Hey now moving right along there. Can't wait to see it finished so I can be jealous lol. Quote Link to comment
SHADY280 Posted March 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 (edited) holy crap what a day today, ive had lots of work done here in the past coupla weeks, they got the whole foudation forms up and the city came out to inspect the setup before we pour concrete. the dumb idiot inspector tried to tell us we had it in the wrong spot and it all had to move 3 feet over away from the property line. i was soooo mad. in the end after some legal threatnings and meetings and discusion, they desided to let it stay where it is. they had not caught that i was extending a grandfather claused building and were trying to say it was my fault they didnt catch what i was trying to blindfold them to. in the end it worked tho. so by the end of the week there shall be concrete. btw, im up to 8000 in labour and hole digging with another 2000 for concrete, 7200 for materails, 3500 to put up and finish the building and a little more for the floor and then some for electrical. its blown my 15,000 budget outta the water by some, but at least ill have a shop. Edited March 17, 2009 by SHADY280 Quote Link to comment
Bob3 Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Glad you worked out the problems with the inspectors. Get that concrete down and get some pics up!:thumbsup: Quote Link to comment
SHADY280 Posted March 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 well they just went back on their word, now i have to pull it all up and move the building 26" away from the property line, or make it narrower by that much, so no hoist for me, ill be laying on a cold concrete floor as i cant afford insulation or drywall now. this project is a mess, no wonder why ppl dont get permits to build stuff in their houses. Quote Link to comment
ezcruiser Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Interesting, time to contact the court house and do some research! There are always loop holes! Look at AIG! Quote Link to comment
Bleach Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 maybe in the US there are loopholes. I know a guy locally who got a permit to build a slab in his front yard. Then later on he put a small garage on that slab and is fighting the city about it. He sounds confident that all you have to do is keep fighting... but then again, his project is done and he can play the waiting game. Maybe a lawyer is a good idea... more money! Quote Link to comment
Figbuck Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 I don't know how stuff works where you are but if a project goes through plan check and you get an approved "Red Stamped" set of plans, unless there are serious safety issues, you can build it. It doesn't seem like you tried to lie to them or present fraudulent info in order to skirt the planning, zoning codes. You applied and got an approved set of plans right? I would not eat this if the existing set backs were clearly drawn and dimensioned on the submitted plans. Who did the plans? It looks like you had to have at least some rudimentary engineering details done. Hind sight is always 20/20 but many times I have had an on site pre inspection before I submitted something. This seems like a pretty straight forward project. I have had issues just like yours where existing structures were in non compliance, but I tried to get them "grandfathered". The only way that might work is if you are remodeling and not replacing. Still there is a 60/40% rule where if you alter the non conforming structure more than 60%, then it has to comply with current current codes. Many times it was the inspector that became the bad cop and said you touched it now it must comply. Especially where electrical, plumbing or safety issues are in play. I don't really have enough info here to make a good call. If it were me, I would take a deep breath and drop back and punt. I would hassle the fock outta the chief building inspector and file for a variance, hassle the city or county council until they hated the sight of me. Do some networking. There has to be somebody else that has gone down this road before you, some owner builder or contractor. they grant variances every single cooncil meeting. If time is and issue, then I would think seriously about pulling the forms and moving it all over so that when you get done you still get what you want. It seems like a waste of time and money to go through this whole exercise and not get get what you want. Easy for me to say, because I have been here done that and have the tee-shirt, the hat, the ticket stub and a tattoo from going through this kind of bullshit before. I would bite the bullet, yank the forms and move them. It is never easy to do that. I have 26 stitches in my leg from a skillsaw to remind me. In time you will forget about all this crap. Well maybe a really long time, because it sounds like you be reminded ever month when you write some kind of check right? But still, it will be better than thinking this place should have been 26" wider ever time you walk into it for years. I got construction horror stories to tell for days, I don't want to hijack your thread. One time an inspector made me move a mechanical room with a trick gas forced air furnace, hotwater heater with re-circ pumps and electrical sub panel. Everything went through plan check, rough plumbing, electrical, mechanical inspections, drywall inspections and the jerk wouldn't final it. It cost me $16K and major time and heart ache to finish the job. About 1990 I decided to start writing these storied down and so I started a book called Expensive Lessons. Chapter one is Expensive lessons, chapter two is More Expensive Lessons, Chapter three is Even More Expensive Lessons... as in MORE expensive not like additional lessons. Chapter four is I can't Belive I'm Learning the Lessons in chapter one all over again. This crap is one reason why remodeling is so expensive. One time an inspector came to final a job and had some very lame issues with an expensive designer kitchen sink that was not UPC "listed". It is a long complicated story. The short versions is that I needed to get my last ten percent of the job paid, about $26K upon final inspection. They dragged their feet and wouldn't tell me exactly what I needed to do to be in compliance. Finally, I had it and went down to talk to the chief building inspector. He was such a dick that I lost it and went ballistic. This was on a Friday afternoon just before closing. I waited in line for 45 minutes and there were a half dozen contractors, a couple homeowners and a commercial architect with three associates schlepping bundles of plans and specs the size of phone books in the line behind me. As I got more frustrated, the conversation got louder so everybody heard it. This guy was not going to help me out and finally said some shit like, well you are a contractor, you should know this stuff. I lost it and said, if you can't tell me how to comply then how am I supposed to know what you want me to do. You fat fuck, you are going to get a pay check today whether you are good at your job or the incompetent fool you seem to be. My income is tied to the quality of my work and my performance, If I sucked like you I would't get paid. Now because you want to have some kind of pissing contest with me, I'm not able to get paid, I'm going to the city council! :fu: The whole line of people behind me erupted in cheers and clapping. He yelled at me to get out, grabbed the phone and called the police department and the Chief of Police came down the hall to escort me out of the City Hall. He told me to calm down and go back and apologize to the inspector. I wouldn't do it and scheduled inspections every day until they finally took a call from the manufacturer of the sink and sorted everything out. People wonder why it cost so much to build or remodel. It ain't easy sometimes. Put on your gorilla suit and start up the chain of command to find somebody who realizes that you are the boss. You are the taxpayer. It is their job to work with and for you. Good luck on writing a chapter in the book of Expensive Lessons. 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