Datsundude123 Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 Pretty stupid question but i was wonder what torsion bars actually do and if you hold anything In place. I wanted to lower my truck so I just took the bots out that hold that rear key thing up but sense they aren't really being used I was wondering if I can just take them out or if I can flip that key thing upside down so I don't scrape on it. Thanks in advance. 2 Quote Link to comment
datsunaholic Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 You just removed your springs. Now you have none. Tried driving it like that? Unless this is a trailer queen that gets driven on and off a trailer at shows and nowhere else this is a very, very bad idea unless you've replaced them with different springs (coilovers or air bags, for example) Without them the frame sits on the A-arms. Well, not long, since the remains of the suspension will fail from metal to metal slamming repeatedly into each other from every tiny bump. 2 Quote Link to comment
Datsundude123 Posted March 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 You just removed your springs. Now you have none. Tried driving it like that? Unless this is a trailer queen that gets driven on and off a trailer at shows and nowhere else this is a very, very bad idea unless you've replaced them with different springs (coilovers or air bags, for example) Without them the frame sits on the A-arms. Well, not long, since the remains of the suspension will fail from metal to metal slamming repeatedly into each other from every tiny bump. Shit!! Well what do I do cause I want my truck as low as I can get it. 2 Quote Link to comment
Datsundude123 Posted March 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 I'm just seeing if I can upload a picture from my phone so just ignore this!! 1 Quote Link to comment
datsunaholic Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 You reindex the torsions. Search here- it's been covered. But it screws up the alignment unless you get custom A-arms when you go that low. 2 Quote Link to comment
Datsundude123 Posted March 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 You reindex the torsions. Search here- it's been covered. But it screws up the alignment unless you get custom A-arms when you go that low. But then I can't go as low haha! Can I fix the alignment? Or is that not possible. Quote Link to comment
datsunaholic Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 You can reindex it all the way to the frame if you wanted to. Or you can take the wheels off and it'll be lower. And just about as practical as having the A-arms hitting the frame. You need some suspension travel or you'll just break things. Hell, I backed the adjusters not even all the way off and it was almost undriveable except on smooth pavement. Not much of that here in Washington. Constantly bottoming out the suspension. I went half as much on the next one. You want lower, you'll have to do custom fabrication, airbags, and completely different front suspension. As for fixing the alignment, I already said- custom A-arms. They're longer to compensate for the negative camber caused by lowering the torsion lever. Someone here used to make them. 1 Quote Link to comment
mhub91 Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 I drive my almost everyday here in WA... Reindexed torsion bars 3 notches and completely cranked down torsion bars. Also have 720 4x4 leafsprings and 3" blocks. I'm about a pack of cigarettes thickness from off the ground.... frame to ground, that is. body has plenty of clearance YES i high center on everything YES it rides like shit YES i fucking love it. NO I can't go over speed bumps NO it's not practical NO I can't haul anything with it. 1 Quote Link to comment
Datsundude123 Posted March 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 I drive my almost everyday here in WA... Reindexed torsion bars 3 notches and completely cranked down torsion bars. Also have 720 4x4 leafsprings and 3" blocks. I'm about a pack of cigarettes thickness from off the ground.... frame to ground, that is. body has plenty of clearance YES i high center on everything YES it rides like shit YES i fucking love it. NO I can't go over speed bumps NO it's not practical NO I can't haul anything with it. Haha I think I might just keep it frame on frame for now! I don't give 2 shits about the ride quality Quote Link to comment
mhub91 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 No torsion bars is a really bad idea. Ever seen what happens when a ball joint blows out? Quote Link to comment
mhub91 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Oh, BTW.. I took my t bars out when u was reindexing them and placed on the ground to see how low it was... It's not drivable with 14" wheels and 185/65 tires. The tires wedge and it doesn't roll..... So.....yeah. ...good luck Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Form (looks) should follow function (use). A truck looks like a truck because it was designed to do truck things. When you have function following form (because you 'think' it looks cool) you get a non truck. Shitty ride, dangerous handling, can't go just anywhere, can't carry a load anymore, uncomfortable, tires worn on the insides and rubbing the fenders on the outsides, noisy because the muffler is always getting ripped off. Quote Link to comment
Draker Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Gonna be so cool when the ball joints explode and you kill a family of 5. 1 Quote Link to comment
datsunaholic Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 It's a kingpin truck so no ball joints. Failure point would be somewhere else, likely the lower A arm, but it could rip the kingpin off the lower connection point. But it's unlikely as it wouldn't be driveable anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment
Datsundude123 Posted March 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Form (looks) should follow function (use). A truck looks like a truck because it was designed to do truck things. When you have function following form (because you 'think' it looks cool) you get a non truck. Shitty ride, dangerous handling, can't go just anywhere, can't carry a load anymore, uncomfortable, tires worn on the insides and rubbing the fenders on the outsides, noisy because the muffler is always getting ripped off. What do you suggest?? I don't care about the ride and its not going to be used as a truck I want it to be a super low but I also don't want to break any suspension parts. Should I just lift it up enough that I can put the bumpstops on it so I'm riding on bumpstops instead of frame??? Thanks. Quote Link to comment
distributorguy Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 To get it that low, there is a lot of engineering that needs to take place. For example, turn the front wheels lock to lock and see how much clearance you need to make. There's a LOT of metal work required. Then you have to get the suspension geometry reconfigured so it goes straight down the road without shredding your tires every 1000 miles, as you'd be buying new ones twice for every oil change. You can always convert to coil-over shocks, but again, to sit that low will require some serious effort. Quote Link to comment
mhub91 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Gonna be so cool when the ball joints explode and you kill a family of 5. Exactly my point. Quote Link to comment
Lockleaf Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Mhub gave you instructions on getting as low as he is. You can just follow what he said. To get any lower, and not be a complete ridiculous danger to everyone else on the road, will take fabrication. After a certain point, every inch of drop exponentially increases the amount of work you need to do. Another option would be drop it some and then do a body drop over the frame. Quote Link to comment
mhub91 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Trust me, I am as low as you can go being relatively SAFE, and having relative comfort WITHOUT fabricating or going airbags. It's plenty low.... Even other dudes in lowered 620s go "Holy fuck that thing is low!". Quote Link to comment
Datsundude123 Posted March 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Trust me, I am as low as you can go being relatively SAFE, and having relative comfort WITHOUT fabricating or going airbags. It's plenty low.... Even other dudes in lowered 620s go "Holy fuck that thing is low!". Pictures please? Quote Link to comment
mhub91 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Pics are above. Tan truck with roof rack. It might not look low in pics, because in that pic I raised it up about 1" to clear the torsion hangers to go to the local garbage dump... It's about 1" lower that in that pic 1 Quote Link to comment
red13 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 U can always get beebani,coil over kit 1 Quote Link to comment
mhub91 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 If hes asking these questions, i Doubt he can weld.... I'm a dick, I know. 1 Quote Link to comment
2wheel-lee Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 First step is to ditch those stock sized tires and put some 185/60-14 tires onto the stock rims. That'll drop it for you. Though if you have a 4-speed, I just hope you don't have to drive a lot of freeway miles, because the smaller tires will be spinnin' like crazy. But that will lower the truck and it will help prevent the tires from rubbing the fenderwells. 2 Quote Link to comment
mhub91 Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 First step is to ditch those stock sized tires and put some 185/60-14 tires onto the stock rims. That'll drop it for you. Though if you have a 4-speed, I just hope you don't have to drive a lot of freeway miles, because the smaller tires will be spinnin' like crazy. But that will lower the truck and it will help prevent the tires from rubbing the fenderwells. +1 1 Quote Link to comment
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