Asking for an honest opinion…please.

[datzenmike]

Caveat emptor.

 

Angela you are under no obligation to do his job for him. It is nice of you to post a picture of the objects for sale, a description and a caution to look them over and ask any questions. I see no attempt at a ruse or misrepresenting what you were selling. The buyer, for reasons known only to him, chose not to, or neglected to, and bought them. This is a classic case of sour grapes. Get a good night's sleep, tomorrow is another day.

[flatcat19]

Buyer's remorse. 

 

 

He should be searching the tool section...for other like minds. 

[BigBopper805]

Angela I have those sliders , I wouldn't worry  about his feedback cuz you didn't do anything wrong.  If he was a fellow member I would give him a deal but , for being shady he get's special price.

[Angela]

This is what I'm dealing with now...

 

 

Urgh….

[thisismatt]

Fight it with ebay.

[thisismatt]

Again, it's akin to buying tires and then saying he can't mount them to his car without wheels.  No crap...what a moron.

[thisismatt]

Hmm, did they not come with the hardware to connect the seatbacks to bottoms either?  I missed that myself...pictures don't show them.  I could see that being a valid complaint - I was thinking he was complaining about rails.

[q-tip]

They sure look like seats to me, but also seat parts.

[67_1600]

eBay will more often than not side with the buyer and I can see why they might in this case - you had the opportunity to say in the description that the brackets and rails weren't included but you didn't. Yes, you said that what was pictured was exactly what they'd receive, but it wasn't clearly spelled out. I'm not trying to be an ass, just saying it the way I see it. The pictures, at least some of them, make it appear that the seats are complete - someone could construe them to be misleading. Again, I'm not trying to be an ass or say the buyer is right in this case, but with eBay's habit of siding with the buyer I can see him 'winning' his case.

 

I sell a bit of stuff on eBay and go out of my way - often to a fault - to point out any defects. If parts are missing, I clearly spell that out in my listing. If there are scratches or dings or whatever, I do my best to include a picture of those defects. My hope is always that my buyer will be pleasantly surprised as opposed to the opposite, which seems to have happened with your listing.

[datzenmike]

Also says...

Please ask questions before placing your bid & I will try my best to answer them.

 

Doesn't say you can ask questions, says please ask questions before bidding.

[67_1600]

I generally put that in all my listings as well but it's not a substitute to being extremely clear as to what may or may not be included. Again, I'm not saying the buyer is totally in the right here, but the listing and photos could have spelled things out more clearly.

 

All that being said, I've bought things that were not complete or not totally as described but I've never filed a case against someone. After receiving my items, I realized I could have been more thorough with asking questions or paying closer attention but I figure that was on me. Unfortunately, this buyer doesn't see it the way I do.

[qwik510]

I have a seat of the rails for cheap. You can buy them from me and I can ship to the guy who bought the seats for you. Let me know. PM me if interested. I can get you pics.

[420n620]

the buyer is trying to rip you off. It states right here what he's receiving.  Nothing mentioned about seat tracks included. 

 

Condition: Used Seller Notes: “Normal signs of wear & tear for this item's age & purpose. No large holes, stains or splitting seams. These seats are in pretty great condition for 40+ year old seats! This auction is for 2 Datsun headrests, 2 seat backs, & 2 bottom cushions. Please see pictures as this is exactly what you'll receive.”

 

 

 And tell Ebay to go fuck off, they are not needed.  Stick to your guns, you've done nothing wrong. 

[ktm]

Do not worry about a negative feedback.  Seriously.  You have a 500 feedback score.  You are being held hostage by Ebay and this POS buyer.  He can only leave you negative feedback once.  Write the most scathing, expletive ridden email you can.  Bring in his mother, his upbringing, and just nuke his ass.  Fight it with Ebay.  Again, it's one sour review.  Chalk it up as lesson learned.  Don't let him win on principle.  You don't know the condition of the seats when you will get them back.   He could piss on them, slice them up, etc. and then you'd be stuck.

[qwik510]

Do not worry about a negative feedback.  Seriously.  You have a 500 feedback score.  You are being held hostage by Ebay and this POS buyer.  He can only leave you negative feedback once.  Write the most scathing, expletive ridden email you can.  Bring in his mother, his upbringing, and just nuke his ass.  Fight it with Ebay.  Again, it's one sour review.  Chalk it up as lesson learned.  Don't let him win on principle.  You don't know the condition of the seats when you will get them back.   He could piss on them, slice them up, etc. and then you'd be stuck.

I agree. If you stick to your guns the worst you get is a negative. I remember my first negative feedback on eBay. Sold a used escort radar detector. It worked fine. Buyer said it didn't work and he got a speeding ticket. He wanted me to pay his ticket and refund his money. I told him to F&@k off and learn how to read the owner's manual.

 

 

One negative feedback will not hurt you.

[q-tip]

This seems kind of like one if those "I got cancer from smoking knowing the risks for my entire life and I'm sewing the cigarette company" kind of things. You are not in the wrong and this guy is a tool. You soecifcly stated what is included.

[Laecaon]

My problem with the ad. You mention seats many times. And in the pictures portray seats as well. But without the hinges, they are just seat parts, and no longer seats, and that was never portrayed clearly. 

[dat521gatherer]

The photos say a thousand words. They speak for themselves even without a description.

[67_1600]

The photos say a thousand words. They speak for themselves even without a description.

 

Agreed...

 

 

The image above does suggest that the brackets/hinges/whatever are there since the seat backs are upright. Yes, they are propped up but at first glance someone who isn't very observant would never know. I had a friend look at the ad as well and he agreed with the majority here thinking the pictures clearly show that the rails/sliders are not included. When I told him the brackets/hinges weren't included either, he came around and agreed that the buyer probably has a legitimate beef. He's still a tool, but I have very little doubt that eBay will side with him.

[datzenmike]

My problem with the ad. You mention seats many times. And in the pictures portray seats as well. But without the hinges, they are just seat parts, and no longer seats, and that was never portrayed clearly. 

 

The ad says.... This auction is for 2 Datsun headrests, 2 seat backs, & 2 bottom cushions. Please see pictures as this is exactly what you'll receive.”

 

Can't be any clearer what you are getting, and the picture bears this out. You can't show something that isn't included. So if it says seats, and if your definition of a car 'seat' also includes the rails, (and why stop there? why not include the brackets that bolt to the floor?) but the picture and description is of head rests, seat backs and bottom cushions, then asking a question about them is indicated. The seller even says... Please ask questions before placing your bid & I will try my best to answer them. . which I'm sure you would have but he didn't. So we're back to Caveat Emptor. The buyer cannot possibly know exactly what the seller is selling even if they wrote a book for a for sale ad. Some nit picker can always find something wrong or missing. It's up to the buyer to find out and know what he's getting or if it's what he wants. This is sour grapes by a novice buyer who presumably will keep doing this until he learns otherwise. I'm sure Angela will also have learned something about human nature too.

[67_1600]

The ad says.... This auction is for 2 Datsun headrests, 2 seat backs, & 2 bottom cushions. Please see pictures as this is exactly what you'll receive.”

 

 

The sellers notes (AKA the fine print) say this, not the item description. Details like imperfections, missing parts, etc. should be clearly stated in the item description and not part of some fine print. If the buyer was using the eBay mobile app it's even worse - he can't even see the sellers notes (all of them anyway) without expanding the field.

 

[datzenmike]

Again it's not the sellers fault if the buyer is using a mobile app. and can't see everything posted by the seller.

 

 

These seats don't look right...

[67_1600]

Again it's not the sellers fault if the buyer is using a mobile app. and can't see everything posted by the seller.

 

 

These seats don't look right...

 

 

But is it the buyer's fault that the eBay app doesn't display everything?

 

And you're right, the seats don't look right. But to an untrained eye at first glance they would look perfectly normal with hinges, as they did to my buddy.

 

Anyway, Angela was looking for honest opinions and she's gotten plenty. It's unfortunate, but I think she's going to lose her case with eBay. I definitely don't think there was any intent to hide anything on her part.

[q-tip]

I still think she out everything in the ad that was for sale. What she did not do was say was not there, which I don't think was required because IF YOU READ THE DAMN AD IT TELLS YOU WHAT YOURE GETTING. I don't understand halow someone can just not read the description of an item before buying it.

[Laecaon]

So, now lets take a step back, and realize there is in fact confusion, and because of this it can be argued either way. And this right here makes it so that Ebay will side with the buyer. Done deal.