How bad is this rust?

[INDY510]

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Almost 400 years ago:

 

In October 1652, Oliver Cromwell's spy: master John Thurloe, received a report that a Frenchman in Rotterdam, referred to as 'a subtle mathematician', was having a ship built to his design "which is to go with certain instruments without sail, with incredible strength and swiftness, either with or against the wind."

 

 

By the mid 1700's steam-boats and locamotives were showing the world a new form of transportation

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

By 1885 some of the first steam engined cars and motorcycles were being driven ...... Carl Diamlers wooden bike 1885:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In 1891, Daniel I. Lybe designed a vehicle powered by a wind up spring... .. Both arm and foot power assisted the winding, and 30 mph was claimed.

 

It entered the first auto-race ever held in the U.S., in 1895, but it's not known if it finished:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The 4cyl 1903 Pakard Model K,,, set the speed record for a 5 mile sand course at Daytona Beach Florida in 1903

 

The car had 24 horsepower, a two-speed transmission, pressed-steel frame, and 34x3.5" tires. and only weighed 1,310 pounds:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The same year, 1903, Glenn Curtiss set the Motorcycle land speed record of 64mph on his 1000cc Bicycle

 

in 1907 he was back with a 4000cc V8 powered Bicycle... going 136mph ...... and the record held for the next 20 years:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From 1912-1914 some of the first DOHC 4cyl. engines were being used in race cars for Fiat, Alfa Romeo, and Peugot.

 

This is a 1914 Peugot gP8 racing engine .... 3 liter DOHC 4cyl, 16 valves, with exposed valve springs:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Datsun's first winning race car was the 1936 Datsun Midget powered by a 747cc side valve 4 cyl:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Germany was hardly modest about their advanced technology in 1936:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From 1930-1937 Ernst Jakob Henne set the Motorcycle land speed record six times, at the German Autobahn, 6 different years

 

 

His final record was set at 173mph on a 1937 BMW WR 500 (493cc)...... after using a 736cc bike for the first 4 records over 10mph slower

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The 1937 Mercedes V12 795hp Rekordwagen went 265mph,,, not a world record .... . so Hitler started building his own Bonniville salt flats

 

.... for this 1939 Mercedes:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Mercedes never raced, and the track wasn't finished ...... Germany invaded Poland in 1939, and the next 10 years of auto-manufacturing was minimal

 

Italy, Germany, and Japan were in ruins after WW2 ,,, but their cars from 1950-1970 were some of the most fuel efficient production cars ever made.

 

 

 

 

The 1954 Alfa Romeo Guilitta Sprint got a 1290cc, 4cyl. aluminum block, DOHC 16 valve head, and made 65hp at an almost unheard of 6000 rpm (for a production street car). While the 1954 Porsche 356 still came with a standard 1100cc pushrod engine making 46 hp at 4000 rpm.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Alfa Romeo had over 40 years of racing history with these 16 valve DOHC 4cyl motors. In the 1920's they tried a DOHC V6, but it was unsucessfull

 

 

Datsun had been building light weight cars since the 1930's:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's something about the 1950's and 60's ...... that makes me wish we never got past the simplicity and efficency we once had:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[metalmonkey47]

Damn Indy... thats pretty nasty.

[INDY510]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[poor-mans-720]

sure there wasnt a salt water aquarium in there?? whoa... Patch panels... and a lot of them...

[Skib]

Damn Indy... thats pretty nasty.

 

 

^^ note thats from a non left coaster lol where datsuns have all but rusted off into the wind :rofl:

[Guest 510kamikazifreak]

Hows the control arm spring pod?

I have seen the blow out the spring through the bottom :lol:

Is the K-Member area real bad to? Seen one where the K-Member pushed the back seat up :blink:

[Laecaon]

Time for a new floor?

[INDY510]

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[Guest 510kamikazifreak]

So you're saying I should just leave it??? ...... . imagine how low it would be then ... .. :lol:

 

 

 

 

I have rear coilovers .... .. :cool: ..... . . . the whole car looks clean underneath ... .. but I can't tell until I pull the rear X-member and differential

 

 

Uber low then Indy. :cool: :lol:

Rear control arms get pretty weak,when filled with mud and muck for 40 years ,always clean them out if in a wet geographical area.

Peal away the undercoat around the rear K-Member mount under the seat,see what its like(this is where the car I said pushed up the rear seat :blink: :lol: )

[Rustina 510]

Hard wire wheel everything to determine what will saty and what needs to be replaced.

 

If it's a 510 sedan, go cut out a 1990 Nissan sentra floor pan an use that to patch with, they are close to the same floor pan and sentra's are pretty common and cheap junk yard finds

 

Seem seal everything and por-15. Then your done.

 

That's pretty bad, but I've seen and delt with worse

[jrock4224]

look ingto pray metal... i got a customer that does it and i have seen it actually work.... but find the guy that has the set up dont buy the aeresol shit its nothing like it ... i got customers that we powdercoat over the spray metal on stuff thats rusted and irreplaceable....

 

and as a preventive answer to the inevitable?... no they cant spray metal a 510 from scratch but if they could i would already have one done

[merlin]

that is just the beginning to the rust you will uncover.. my nice car had less surface rust than that and we replaced both rockers inside and out, rear lower quarters and the entire floorpan you're looking at over 100 hours of work easy and you'll need to weld in tons of bracing before you even start cutting out the old metal.

 

After what i paid/went through, i'd consider another car first... would save you big bucks in the long run to start with a better shell.

[KC Phirus]

Hit it all with a wire wheel so you can see what really needs replacement.

[510T]

If I was in your situation I would try to raise the rear floor section and inch or 2 while you are fixing the rust. Get it real low with good geometry.

[yellowdatsun]

That's not bad, but it needs to be fixed. Just cut out a donor section and weld it in. I actually recently cut up a car, and this was one of the few decent sections left. You could pick it up if you're ever in the Phoenix area.

[merlin]

was the car parked on some weird angle and its onul the under seat area thas that rusty from water pooling? if so then fix it... but i thought this was a sample ofthe whole floor front to back.

[INDY510]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[the510keeper]

I have a factory red brace from a 4 door I parted out if you want it? bring it to the swap meet

[Ranman72]

I have the floor piece with the x brace out of a cut up 4 door it is red yours if you want it you just have to pick it up let me know Randy

[INDY510]

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[the510keeper]

I have that complete area rust free $100, let me know I can bring it