bonvo Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 any particular reason for the different harness? just want a cleaner one or is yours not happy Quote Link to comment
WagDatto Posted September 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 any particular reason for the different harness? just want a cleaner one or is yours not happy I wanted to do a huge wire tuck. Under my dash, the wires are pretty crazy, wrapped around eachother and zip tied up out of the way. Most of the wires, I have absolutely no use for. The plan is to take a page out of the Honda mod books and pretty up the engine bay... These are running cars... Can you spot the wiring? It's hard to cut, shorten, rearrange, test, strip, and clean a wiring harness... when it's installed in the car. So I said screw it. For around $100, you can buy a used KA harness and do whatever your heart desires. My heart desires less wiring and messiness. Plus, if I get more room under the dash, the A/C unit with fan can go in... and get wired up, too! I'll only use it for fan (for now, at least) to get some air moving during the winter or in traffic. Quote Link to comment
bonvo Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 gotcha good plan im considering somthing like that for the 610 in the future the beauty with that is there is very little wiring to hide Quote Link to comment
WagDatto Posted September 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Yeah, obviously a carb'd car will have less wires. I just want things to be clean. The corner of my engine bay where the harness comes through is a clusterfuck, as is my underdash, and the front of my motor. If things were routed differently and deleted alltogether, things could look mightly snazzy! Quote Link to comment
71ka510 Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 you should hide and tuck everything..... even the sprak plug wires.. ha ha j/k Quote Link to comment
Jesse C. Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 This is Dougboy's Dime with the wiring cleaned up. Really does make a difference. Quote Link to comment
fo0manchu Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 you going to run the wires down the back of the motor across the x-member and under the frame rail? Quote Link to comment
WagDatto Posted September 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 The wires will (for the most part) make their way into the frame rails near the fenders. The harness exits into the engine bay from the passenger corner. Some of the wires will loop straight across the back of the motor toward the exhaust. The plan is to bring them across the driver's side of the valve cover toward the distributor. The rest of the wiring will come from the entry point, loop under the intake manifold (as it is currently), and loop up to the injectors. A very small amount of them will exit the front of the intake manifold to reach the MAF and ATS. I think the Throttle Body will be mounted right next to the intake elbow on the blower, so TPS will be there as well. I don't want wires in front of my motor like they are right now to reach the distributor. UGLY! Quote Link to comment
WagDatto Posted September 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 So last night, I headed to Phils to snag the intake manifold so I can get a quote for thermal coating it and the blower housing. While I was there, I decided that the oil pan needed to be installed. Used a brand new cork gasket and plenty of RTV, and the motor looks more like a motor now! I'm really excited to see what this all looks like when it's IN THE CAR, but it's still fun to see it evolve in the garage... Sorry for the small update, I'll try to keep progress moving steadily along! Quote Link to comment
goatee Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Yeah tucks are nice unless you leave all the crazy holes and odd angled engine bay alone then they are GAY. :D You could just do it like a modern motor and put a huge square of plastic all over everything! :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment
WagDatto Posted September 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Yeah tucks are nice unless you leave all the crazy holes and odd angled engine bay alone then they are GAY. :DYou could just do it like a modern motor and put a huge square of plastic all over everything! :rolleyes: Yeah, I'll be filling/Grommeting all the holes in the bay and repainting it when the motor comes out. Shouldn't be too hard. Still not looking to make it a show car, so it won't be perfect! I don't care, but it'll get done. The majority of the wiring harness is done as of today. It still needs to get de-pinned tomorrow, and when the motor is mocked up again, I'll be able to see where things need to be shortened/lengthened as needed. At that point, I'll buy all the braided wire wrap and shrink wrap and whatnot to get things looking pretty, too! I'll also be using new heat shielding for the O2 sensor and some of the other wires. Phil and I also talked about a couple of pretty trick ideas to help clean things up inside and out. Because the 1995 KA uses an F3 plug, the 510 taps into it instead of rooting around in the main harness (http://dimequarterly.tierranet.com/tech/projectKA/95-KA-wiring.pdf). SCORE!! I'm going to try to pick up the female end of the F3 plug from online and then be able to use THAT to tap into the 510, and just have the whole harness plug in and out as needed. That, combined with the grounds getting separated on a Grounding Block, the ECU being mounted with the relays properly, and the Emanage (hopefully Ultimate!) all buttoned up and out of the way should make the underside of my dash MUCH cleaner! But then it's time to go through the body harness... I hate this hobby sometimes... But I guess the only way to LEARN wiring is to DO wiring. And I know Phil doesn't want to do it!! Here's the Vlog for yous guys. I just realized tonight that all my videos start with "Alright, so..." And it bugs me. I need to work on that. Another day... Quote Link to comment
bonvo Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 well hopfully ill be able to make it up to sac soon and see this for myself to bad you wont do it again i was hoping if i do a vg swap you could deal with my harness :P Quote Link to comment
WagDatto Posted September 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 I know nothing about VG's so you're fucked. I'm very well-versed on the KA harness now, so long as we're talking about a 1995 S14 OBDI setup. Otherwise, you're fucked too. And unless you're paying me like $50 an hour, consider yourself thrice fucked tonight, because I'm not going to bother doing this again. I have a feeling tonight will be nothing compared to tomorrow's depinning escapades... But time will tell! Quote Link to comment
bonvo Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 lol ill be watchin and i wanna see this tuck job ill be taking notes :P Quote Link to comment
WagDatto Posted September 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 I need to buy a soldering gun and a roll of solder. There will be lots of cutting, repositioning, soldering, lengthening, soldering and soldering in the near future for me! Quote Link to comment
bonvo Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 (edited) i have found that a small propane torch works better and faster for soldering then a soldering iron and cheaper then a good unit little easier to use to cause you can set it down and use both hands to hold the wires and the solder if you need a hand give me a call i have no real life atm and i could swing by Edited September 29, 2009 by bonvo Quote Link to comment
WagDatto Posted September 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Maybe so for things like this, but I plan on using it for other things too (small circuit boards, general repairs, etc) so the torch can only do so much for me. Good investment to have. Quote Link to comment
bonvo Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 yeah doing tiny detaild shit an iron is better but for wires a torch is the way to go and there somthing like $10 at ace hardware Quote Link to comment
72240z Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 A torch for soldering harness wires, or really any automotive wiring short of battery cable to me is like banging out a fender dent with a sledge hammer. :blink: Quote Link to comment
WagDatto Posted September 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 A torch for soldering harness wires, or really any automotive wiring short of battery cable to me is like banging out a fender dent with a sledge hammer. :blink: Never tried it... don't plan to. Plus, soldering irons are cheap. I've been meaning to get one to keep around for ages... what better time?! Quote Link to comment
bonvo Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 A torch for soldering harness wires, or really any automotive wiring short of battery cable to me is like banging out a fender dent with a sledge hammer. :blink: lol your just have to practice i also have a pencil tip torch which makes it a little easier edit: sean i have a cheap iron you can have though it would cost more in gas to get it there then it would for you to go buy the same iron at radioshack Quote Link to comment
71ka510 Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 screw that sean, do it like chris did with the harness i bought formhim... just twist it together and tape it :( needless to say i pulled it all about and soldered it..... boo chris boo lol Quote Link to comment
NorCalDime Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 screw that sean, do it like chris did with the harness i bought formhim... just twist it together and tape it :( needless to say i pulled it all about and soldered it..... boo chris boo lol haha my soldering iron was broken. If my single cam lasted more than a week i would have redid it lol. (and no the twisty connections wernt the cause :P):fu: Quote Link to comment
WagDatto Posted September 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 LOL, nah, I'm not about to make this thing ghetto... Anyway, here's today's progress. Quote Link to comment
fisch Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 A torch for soldering harness wires, or really any automotive wiring short of battery cable to me is like banging out a fender dent with a sledge hammer. :blink: I bought one of those butane cigarette lighters and it worked great for soldering. A nice precise point. Eventually the plastic got heated enough that the head got too loose to use. I also tried the radioshack butane solder iron that has a choice between and iron or a torch. It worked great at first, but died eventually and I could never get the iron tip off to try the torch one. It was as if it fused on there. What sucked ass was the 'cold fusion' solder iron. Those electrode tips break way to easy. and it was a pain to get a green light connection. More hassle than it was worth. Quote Link to comment
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