wayno Posted March 13, 2019 Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 That the slave piston popped out is like one of two things, either the rod is not adjusted properly, or you have the wrong clutch collar in there. Unless you put a different transmission in there nothing should have changed, I see this is a different transmission, what clutch arm/collar did you use with this transmission? 2 Quote Link to comment
Crashtd420 Posted March 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 hours ago, wayno said: That the slave piston popped out is like one of two things, either the rod is not adjusted properly, or you have the wrong clutch collar in there. Unless you put a different transmission in there nothing should have changed, I see this is a different transmission, what clutch arm/collar did you use with this transmission? I'm sure the clutch collar and arm are correct, same set I've always ran with my clutch..... It does engage and release proper, I just put too much foot to the pedal.... 2 Quote Link to comment
Crashtd420 Posted March 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 hours ago, datzenmike said: It'll be the hole or the carpet you wait and see. Crossing my fingers that's the case..... 2 Quote Link to comment
Crashtd420 Posted March 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 Well it was not the hole..... there is inches of clearance all around.... Looks like I have no choice but to pull the transmission out..... So disappointing...... I figure I'll have a look under the front cover and a couple other external things, but I'll bet I have to split the case again to really see what's up.... that's gonna suck if that's true.... oh well done for today.... 1 Quote Link to comment
Crashtd420 Posted March 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 Ok well I couldn't leave things alone.. I had a thought and sure enough I found the problem.... Whatever is under here..... Once I removed the plug and the spring I was able to get it into 5th and reverse no problem.... I think there is something in the hole, a plunger of some sort, but I never removed it.... i did remove the plug and spring during disassembly and cleaned inside, but never removed whatever was in there... when it was on the bench I saw it moving out when I messed with the shifter and I could push it in but i couldn't remove it.... I figured since it was moving in and out that it was good.... I didnt get to put the spring back in and test the shifter, once I knew what was wrong I was satisfied.... I'll finish things up another day... So what going on? Why did it get stuck? And it did work before, because I do remember now testing to see if the brake light switch worked.... 1 Quote Link to comment
Crashtd420 Posted March 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2019 And no I did have to remove the transmission, I was lucky enough to have enough room to remove the plug... 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 Attached to the striking rod is a longitudinal groove that this plug fits into. It aligns along the 3 neutral 4 gate. When you move it left in neutral into the 1-2 gate or right into the 5th-R gate the striking rod rotates and that plug is forced out of that groove but being spring loaded it wants back in. You will note that if you are in the neutral gate and pull the shifter to the left and let go of it, it automatically moves back into the 3-4 gate. Same if you move to the right between 5th and Rev.... if you let go it self centers in the 3-4 gate. 1 Quote Link to comment
Crashtd420 Posted March 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 1 hour ago, datzenmike said: Attached to the striking rod is a longitudinal groove that this plug fits into. It aligns along the 3 neutral 4 gate. When you move it left in neutral into the 1-2 gate or right into the 5th-R gate the striking rod rotates and that plug is forced out of that groove but being spring loaded it wants back in. You will note that if you are in the neutral gate and pull the shifter to the left and let go of it, it automatically moves back into the 3-4 gate. Same if you move to the right between 5th and Rev.... if you let go it self centers in the 3-4 gate. This is good to know because mine does not self center.... So that might be something... Sounds like I should have tried to free that piece up..... So would it be that area in the upper right.... I guess I did remove it.... Does the arm its suppose touch look correct? I mean like length and that end.... Could that little end cap get miss aligned? 1 Quote Link to comment
Crashtd420 Posted March 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) Is that even the right spot or is it located further up in the tail sectiont from this view.... Edited March 14, 2019 by Crashtd420 1 Quote Link to comment
Crashtd420 Posted March 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 Oh I know what that spot is.... that's where that little item that prevents shifting from 5th directly to reverse.... 1 Quote Link to comment
Crashtd420 Posted March 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 Ok so back to the problem, what should I do? Does that little plug at the end of the spring need to come out? Could it have gotten misaligned? 1 Quote Link to comment
mainer311 Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) It sounds like yours was never aligned if it doesn't return to center. That leads me to believe that it could have bound up and prevented the striking rod from rotating in that direction. If you remove the spring from the plug, is there any discernible feature on the inside of the plug that you can use to rotate it properly while pushing it all the way in? Then just drop the spring in and put the cap back on. In your image above, you can't see where that plug goes because it's way down above the bushing for the companion flange. Plus, the only sign of it is the small drilled thru-hole that intersects with the striking rod hole, so it would be more visible from the back. Edited March 14, 2019 by mainer311 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 If it, or the striking rod were never removed it would stay together in alignment. If removing the tail it and the reverse check sleeve don't need to be removed. A broken spring would maybe cause non centering. It's very subtle. 2 Quote Link to comment
Crashtd420 Posted March 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 1 hour ago, mainer311 said: It sounds like yours was never aligned if it doesn't return to center. That leads me to believe that it could have bound up and prevented the striking rod from rotating in that direction. If you remove the spring from the plug, is there any discernible feature on the inside of the plug that you can use to rotate it properly while pushing it all the way in? Then just drop the spring in and put the cap back on. Not really sure , that's my next step. I personally think it was stuck out and not working correct for years... And I freed it up... and I can only assume it got stuck again.... there must be some corrosion in the hole.... By Mike's picture there is a hole that might be the indicator.... I have a small mirror, I'm gonna try to take a look and see where it is and if I can get it out with a magnet.... And to this part of your comment you lost me..... "In your image above, you can't see where that plug goes because it's way down above the bushing for the companion flange. Plus, the only sign of it is the small drilled thru-hole that intersects with the striking rod hole, so it would be more visible from the back." I definitely posted the wrong image, In my pic I thing that rod with the stuff attached has to be disassembled from the inside first... I dont know any of the names of things so it's hard for me to describe.... I get what's going just need to figure the fix without having to remove or disassemble the transmission ..... 1 Quote Link to comment
Crashtd420 Posted March 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 1 hour ago, datzenmike said: If it, or the striking rod were never removed it would stay together in alignment. If removing the tail it and the reverse check sleeve don't need to be removed. A broken spring would maybe cause non centering. It's very subtle. Mike Is there another spring other that the one you showed in the pic ? The spring I removed with the cap seemed good.... not broken that I could tell.... but there was rust on the end of the spring. .... And the part on the end that accepts the shifter .... Kind of a bad pic, but I never removed... 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 The 'finger sticking down is part f the striking rod that selects the gears. The other thing pointing more to the right is blocked by the reverse check sleeve from traveling forward into reverse if you are behind it in 5th. If the striking rod comes in from the neutral gate it will shove the check sleeve out of the way first. Yes it is bolted on with a cotter pin like an old bike crankshaft sprocket. There's no way to remove the striking rod out the back without removing this.... and no need to really if it's never been messed with. I tried once and gave up. You just can't drive that cotter pin out. Easily 1 1 Quote Link to comment
Crashtd420 Posted March 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 The pic is just before I realized you have to rotate the tail housing some to get it off.... so it looks a little wierd.... 1 Quote Link to comment
Crashtd420 Posted March 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 1 minute ago, datzenmike said: The 'finger sticking down is part f the striking rod that selects the gears. The other thing pointing more to the right is blocked by the reverse check sleeve from traveling forward into reverse if you are behind it in 5th. If the striking rod comes in from the neutral gate it will shove the check sleeve out of the way first. Yes it is bolted on with a cotter pin like an old bike crankshaft sprocket. There's no way to remove the striking rod out the back without removing this.... and no need to really if it's never been messed with. I tried once and gave up. You just can't drive that cotter pin out. Easily Yes that's why I left it alone too.... 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 14, 2019 Report Share Posted March 14, 2019 Funny you mention that spring... the one in that picture was a single but some when in the past I pulled one apart and there were two springs a smaller shorter one in the middle. May have been a 510 or B210 ??? Long time ago. I'll have a look through my reference books tonight. Two would have been firmer inward pressure out to the extreme left and right but easy in the 3/4 gate. 2 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 15, 2019 Report Share Posted March 15, 2019 Re: above comment. Looks like most have the 2 springs. The late 620 71B 5 speed and my '79 zx 5 speed have a single spring.... so I don't know what to say. 32852-24901 smaller inside spring 32856-24901 larger outer spring 2 Quote Link to comment
Crashtd420 Posted March 15, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2019 Well I figure since I'm already back up on jack stands I might add the resonator to the exhaust and my start redoing the rest.... well I bought this ..... Had 2" pipes and a slightly larger resonator.... What a piece of shit..... I was trying to do the one stop shop, nope that's not gonna work.... that promptly got returned...... I'm just gonna by some mandrel bent tubes and a separate resonator and do it right.... Quote Link to comment
Stoffregen Motorsports Posted March 16, 2019 Report Share Posted March 16, 2019 I am surprised they still make piles of crap like that. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted March 16, 2019 Report Share Posted March 16, 2019 It's 'good enough'. 1 Quote Link to comment
Crashtd420 Posted March 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2019 So hopefully I can make a better system with this stuff.... Plus a couple of these... I hate the ones that just crush the pipe so I'll see how these do... I'll weld most of it up but the resonator and cutout are stainless so I'll use these at those joints... Quote Link to comment
Crashtd420 Posted March 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, datzenmike said: It's 'good enough'. Not for me..... Quote Link to comment
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