datzenmike Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 Well, 720s were Datsun right? Priced some rings for my Z24, get this.... $179.00 (choke) What in the ..... Can this be right???????? I said they come on pistons, right? Apparently for 45 friggin' dollars I get three rings for one piston. Fuck, I've put rings, rods, mains and gaskets in an L20B for a hundred bucks, in the day. Christ on crutches!! And this after $155 for a gasket set got me steamed last week. Please, somebody, laugh at me and then send me to the right place. Quote Link to comment
crabbyone Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 http://www.rockauto.com... Quote Link to comment
Jason Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 Umm, Mike, I looked into the prices on Rockauto and it's about the same there.... I looked up the L20b re ring set and it was like $140.... Quote Link to comment
kiznook Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 you could try KA rings/pistons. they'll fit. Shouldn't be hard to find a shortblock, don't know about up north though Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted June 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 OK... reality check for mike. Thanks Jason, there was a good running Z24 came in to the wreckers here. They wanted $300 for it (crunched front end) I laughed. Well, another $100 for the mains and another $70 for the rods... over $500 total, just have to keep saying it untill .... A KA also came in but would cost as much plus they've been done before. Have my heart set on building a Z24E. The KA pistons would give 9.2 c/r Quote Link to comment
kiznook Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 you could use a KA block with the z head. KA24DE pistons would make it uber low CR if i remember correctly. BOOST!! Quote Link to comment
Jason Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 OK... reality check for mike. Thanks Jason, there was a good running Z24 came in to the wreckers here. They wanted $300 for it (crunched front end) I laughed. Well, another $100 for the mains and another $70 for the rods... over $500 total, just have to keep saying it untill .... A KA also came in but would cost as much plus they've been done before. Have my heart set on building a Z24E. The KA pistons would give 9.2 c/r It's kinda of disheartening Mike, but, prices have been increasing pretty much across the board the last few years. The days of dirt cheap NOS parts seems to be pretty much over. I was pricing out the bits for an engine rebuild too, looks to be costing me about $300 for rings, gaskets and stuff, and perhaps another $200 for the new cam and bits needed there. This is with no machine work yet either. Oh well, have to wait a bit on it I think, winter project coming I think! Quote Link to comment
datsunaholic Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 The rockauto price for a ring set (not gaskets, just rings) was under $70. don't know where you were looking. Still, quite a bit more than the $30 L16 ring set I bought (15 years ago). Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted June 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 Rings looked up at NAPA, definitely looking else ware. The KA and Z24 have basically the same B&S. The Z24 has a 15cc piston dish and the KA has a 2.8cc So the Z head on a KA block and pistons is still 9.5 to one. Unless I'm not understanding you. Quote Link to comment
nismopu Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 DE pistons have a dish to them where as E pistons are mostly flat top. Nissan frontier pistons have an even greater dish supposedly how they got the lower compression but i have never confirmed this. peace. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted June 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 DE pistons aren't a drop in, to the Z24. The piston pin hole has to be enlarged in the KA24DE piston, to take the Z24 piston pin or have a bushing put in. If a floating pin, a small oil hole will have to be drilled in the piston. However the DE rod journal is the same as the Z24, so if the DE pistons AND rods were used they may fit in the Z24. The E and the DE rod journals are different size, the crank mains are the same but don't match the Z24. Quote Link to comment
Icehouse Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 A KA also came in but would cost as much plus they've been done before. c/r HEY :mad::mad: :D Rings looked up at NAPA, definitely looking else ware. The KA and Z24 have basically the same B&S. The Z24 has a 15cc piston dish and the KA has a 2.8cc So the Z head on a KA block and pistons is still 9.5 to one. Unless I'm not understanding you. DE pistons have a dish to them where as E pistons are mostly flat top. Nissan frontier pistons have an even greater dish supposedly how they got the lower compression but i have never confirmed this. peace. DE pistons aren't a drop in, to the Z24. The piston pin hole has to be enlarged in the KA24DE piston, to take the Z24 piston pin or have a bushing put in. If a floating pin, a small oil hole will have to be drilled in the piston. However the DE rod journal is the same as the Z24, so if the DE pistons AND rods were used they may fit in the Z24. The E and the DE rod journals are different size, the crank mains are the same but don't match the Z24. So you guys keep jumping back and forth on the DE, E, and Z blocks.... So I personally want to run the DE block because it has the oil squirters. Does the Z have squirters? It would be easier to run because it has a rear sump.... But then I would need to find out the compression ratio with the KA24E head on it. Some oil squirters matched with a good set of forged pistons would make for a great bottom end. I'm not in to big a hurry to get a motor built but mine leaks oil like a SOB so I would like to get the wheels turning at least :D Frank had some forged flat tops in his KA-E block My question (a little of topic....) If you had KA24DE bottom end would the compression be super low? I know that if you put single cam pistons in a dual cam block its like 11 to 1 or something crazy..... I suck at the engine build side of datto projects. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted June 3, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 Going to stick with the Z24 with EFI. Keep it a solid build with tweaks here and there. Hoping to prove that the Z24 has been overlooked and has potential, well some potential at least. If it's a failure, well it will still be a strong torquer and just what I want in my truck. Plus it's been fun learning about them, not too much info out there about them. Hey, later I can put a KA head on it and be called a KAZmanian Devil. Ar ar ar My 340 had a small groove cut in the face of the rod cap from the bearing past the bolt and out on the cam side of the V8. This would throw oil on the cylinder wall. Is this what these squirter do? Or is it to keep the underside of the piston cool? Quote Link to comment
Icehouse Posted June 3, 2007 Report Share Posted June 3, 2007 Well from my understanding (we will leave it at.. most the time I'm correct :D ) It keeps the piston cool under boost. Basically its one of the ka24de's guys points when they say the ka24de was meant to be turboed... All the other dual cam turbo engines have them. I figured if I was going to do a ground up build I should use all the best components. I would like to keep my truck single cam though. I need to do some research and see what I will need to keep my ka relatively low compression and use "cheap" forged pistons. I wouldn't mind having it 9 to 1 compression with a small amount of boost. For a little added top end power :D Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted June 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2007 These oil squirters, are they just small holes drilled into the upper shoulder of the rod and down to the bearing oil supply? If so you could do that to a single cam motor yourself. The DE rods won't fit the E, but the DE crank AND rod/pistons might fit the E block (I think), the mains are the same size. Quote Link to comment
kiznook Posted June 4, 2007 Report Share Posted June 4, 2007 why do the E pistons fit the DE but not the other way around? Quote Link to comment
Icehouse Posted June 4, 2007 Report Share Posted June 4, 2007 These oil squirters, are they just small holes drilled into the upper shoulder of the rod and down to the bearing oil supply? If so you could do that to a single cam motor yourself. The DE rods won't fit the E, but the DE crank AND rod/pistons might fit the E block (I think), the mains are the same size. They screw into the block, they kinda look like the water squirters for your windshield. To remove the pistons you have to remove the oil squirters. They only came in the DE though.... So will the E piston rods and crank fit he DE block? Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted June 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2007 DE and E crank swap? A good question, I only know the crank mains are the sqme size.... who knows. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted June 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Ice, just found out the SD22 (and probably the SD25) also have oil squirters for their pistons. The LD28 might too. Quote Link to comment
Icehouse Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 I wonder if the L28et has them? It has an oil cooler so I would guess.... Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted June 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 That would really heat up the oil! Someone on the Realm was asking about Z oil coolers... Do all turbo cars have a cooler or just the automatic. Or is is just an Option?? Quote Link to comment
Icehouse Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 The sr doesn't have a cooler. Quote Link to comment
naz Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 http://www.jjautosupply.com/ Really good customer service, small shop, and good prices in my experience. Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted June 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 Was to the local Datto Dealer: Z24 rings..........................$170 main bearing set......... $110 rod bearing $8? each)....$70 before tax!!! All this on top of the $165 for a gasket set!! Just for fun a Z24 crank from Japan... $936 A local Yard has a good running Z24 so going up t-morrow and see. Quote Link to comment
Jason Posted June 16, 2007 Report Share Posted June 16, 2007 Well Mike, I just went to Canadian Tire and picked up the "Maxuum" 46 piece tap and die set $68 with tax.... I need to work on my exhaust manifold tomorrow so I need it though.... Sigh, needful things.... Quote Link to comment
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