Burabuda Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 In its new report, “The Road to Clean Air,” the Lung Association asserts that the switch “next generation” vehicles across the state would have a transformational effect on the health of citizens and on the costs related to hospitalization, lost work and school days and premature deaths. The Lung Association envisions a state in which conventional cars are mostly weeded out between 2017 and 2025 and replaced with vehicles powers by powerful batteries, electric plug-ins or fuel cells. http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/may/10/lung-association-backs-tough-rules-vehicle-polluti/ Quote Link to comment
Dirk Diggler Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 Of course they do because they are probably major share holders in components needed for electric vehicles. Gas powered engines have been around for over 100 years and they just now say that we are all going to suddenly get ill? Quote Link to comment
Stupid_fast Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 Aaand most electricity is produced by burning coal... does anyone have an efficient way to produce hydrogen yet? Quote Link to comment
MicroMachinery Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 Phasing out the majority of gas powered vehicles in 5-13 years? LOL Quote Link to comment
Dirk Diggler Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 There is no "clean" energy. The carbon print left by the production of "green" cars is higher than keeping a gas powered car on the road. The only way to eliminate emissions is to eliminate all carbon producing transportation completely. I wouldn't mind riding a horse everywhere... Quote Link to comment
HRH Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 But riding a horse won't do it! In fact, if we replaced all cars with horses, we'd be worse off due to the methane emitted and the need for feeding an inefficient animal. Horses waste a shitload of their food, literally. Just look at how much it costs to raise and keep a horse, now figure you're going to ride 10-20 miles each day. That cost just went up, and it's probably a lot more than the cost of gas! There are multiple studies on methane gas production, it's also very horribly damaging as a greenhouse gas. Quote Link to comment
Rob W. Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 Oh sorry horses are bad too. They exhale CO2 and prodoce methane as a by product of digestion. Not to mention how much carbon is expended in the production and transport of hay and other feed. There is no green vehicle these people would be happiest if we all just died I think. Quote Link to comment
DanielC Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 Hydrogen can be made by two methods. Out of natural (methane) gas, then you have to figure out what to do with the carbon that is in methane, or using electrolysis to break up water. With electrolysis, you are back to burning something to make electricity, or nuclear generation. Quote Link to comment
Dirk Diggler Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 I highly doubt a horse can produce more harmful gases than a vehicle. The cost of a horse would be way less than a car, think about it. A horse is cheap to buy, no fluid changes, no parts failing and needing replaced, no speeding tickets haha, you have to shoe them and feed them, that's all. A bail of feeding hay is $10, that lasts about a week for one horse ridden daily (my family owns horses, I know). And that is if you pay to feed them, they can always graze on land. You city folk crack me up with your "horses cost as much as a car" rhetoric lol Quote Link to comment
]2eDeYe Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 I highly doubt a horse can produce more harmful gases than a vehicle. The cost of a horse would be way less than a car, think about it. A horse is cheap to buy, no fluid changes, no parts failing and needing replaced, no speeding tickets haha, you have to shoe them and feed them, that's all. A bail of feeding hay is $10, that lasts about a week for one horse ridden daily (my family owns horses, I know). And that is if you pay to feed them, they can always graze on land. You city folk crack me up with your "horses cost as much as a car" rhetoric lol Don't forget storage and maintainence. Can't park your horse at the condo man...and what's all that horseshit in the street :lol: Quote Link to comment
Dirk Diggler Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 Storage isn't a problem. If cars are eliminated, build a small stall around where you park your car, throw some dirt on the ground, and there you go, a horse parking spot haha. It would only be feasible to replace a car with a horse if all cars were disposed of and you live in the country, other wise bicycles are your best bet Quote Link to comment
Rhapakatui Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 I am definitely NOT a city person, and have owned horses. They are expensive as hell. You're forgetting the land note for that pasture, and drought years, when hay goes through the roof. Then there's fences, and barn up keep. All of the various shit they break while trying to kill themselves (horses are naturally suicidal I've decided), vet bills when they hurt themselves or just get stupid sicknesses. They suck. My wife loves them. I hope I never have to deal with another one. My datsun doesn't cost a damned thing when I'm not using it, and I can't go to jail or get fined for shooting my datsun if it breaks down. And you can't part out a 30 y/o horse anymore thanks to Willy Nelson and his buddies who didn't like horses getting butchered. 1 Quote Link to comment
Dirk Diggler Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 If you have a ranch and a herd of horses, it will obviously be more expensive than a single car, but not a fleet of cars. I'm not saying they don't have costs, just not as much as producing and owning cars. I agree about horses being suicidal. Have you ever had one eat lavender? It's like lsd to a horse, its funny as hell but they can die from it Quote Link to comment
bananahamuck Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 We live next door to and across street from three families of barrel racers and penners and i think you`ve forgotten about daily stall cleaning and getting ride of waste. My oldest son makes enough cleaning stalls every night to buy anything he wants ANYTHING..I can leave cars parked for six - nine months with absolutely no ill effects or money output at all..Try that with a horse. That`s just my opinion but i hate horses, accept maybe made into hamburger. Quote Link to comment
Dirk Diggler Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 That's assuming you are too lazy to do the work yourself. Your son does the work and it doesn't cost him a thing, just as it wouldn't cost the owner a thing if they did it themselves. Waste can be made into compost, fertilizer, and fuel, there are uses for everything. People did it for hundreds of years, why is it suddenly impossible to do now? Quote Link to comment
Dirk Diggler Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 Not to mention, you can breed and sell horses. You can't breed cars Quote Link to comment
Skib Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 horses smell like shit. and the lung association and suck it! take your inhalers and GTFO before i purposely dry out my valve stem seals so I can burn clouds of oil smoke Quote Link to comment
Rob W. Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 When horses were the main form of transportation the population of the earth was a fraction of what it is currently. I have lots of experience with horses and it seems that everyone I know who has them complains about how much they cost. Sure hay is $10 a bail now see what it costs when the demand for it increases exponentially. Horses do break down and you can't get parts for them you just get a new one. Whether or not they are as wasteful as a car is immaterial. They will complain about them too. The PETA will get all peep pee harded that they are being exploited and on and on. There is no way to make these people happy there is nno solution accept it. Quote Link to comment
Dirk Diggler Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 True ^. I don't think they will be happy until all pollution is ceased and everyone has to walk. They will probably done you for farting though... Quote Link to comment
Skib Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 screw PETA too, and the green peace douchbags that stand on street corners trying to get you to donate :angry: Im by far not a redneck, right winger, or whatnot.......... and I think the engineering of electric cars is cool but I keeping my damn real cars, and Im keeping my damn guns suck it hippies. 4 Quote Link to comment
Rhapakatui Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 With no oil industry, I guess I'd have plenty of time to shovel shit. Atleast 90% of my work comes from refineries. Most of the rest is from drilling companies. Quote Link to comment
Rob W. Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 Hippies are the problem for sure we should figure out a way to rid this planet of them Quote Link to comment
HRH Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 Actually, if we just killed half the people on the planet, we'd be fine. I'm waiting for another bubonic plague situation. Who gets to die though? There was an episode of sliders like this. They had a "lottery." Quote Link to comment
Z-train Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 Hippies are the problem for sure we should figure out a way to rid this planet of them These horses are cheaper Quote Link to comment
]2eDeYe Posted May 11, 2011 Report Share Posted May 11, 2011 There was an episode of sliders like this. ." Going back there a bit :D Quote Link to comment
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