ka24e or ka24de?

[bonvo]

the more i think about it the more i think a ka will be my future powerplant but which one the ka24e or ka24de? which one has more power potential ive read that the E seems to be batter if i wanna do an na build and if i wanna go turbo the de is better is this the case what do you guys think

[ppeters914]

Fewer valves to bend in the E (12) vs the DE (16), right? :lol:

 

Okay, I've had my laugh. Now to be useful. Check the links on this thread:

 

http://www.nissanforums.com/763950-post3.html

[nismopu]

neither one is better for your questions you asked. However the E is far easier to get parts for and its WAY easier to work on, its basically a grown up L-engine. Theres way more KA24DE high HP builds out there due to simply the popularity of the engine, just like SR kinda thing. The thing is the KA24E can be capable of just as much HP, there's a couple of 650hp KA24e's over at KA-t and many over on the east coast built by some puerto rican transplants. For the average guy though, I would just stick with the KA24e. peace.

[bonvo]

im looking for a good starting point for mods i want to have a strong motor that is also streetable shooting for maybe 300 hp

[Cuts metal like mad]

why 300? just sounds good?

[bonvo]

300 is triple the stock horsepower ans isnt overkill im not looking for super car here but somthing that will stay on my dads infinity i30's tail :P hes putting down 250 in a car that weighs almost double what mine weighs

[datzenmike]

More valves means better breathing, which means more power. The DE should outperform the E (all things equal). Side by side they are almost equal, what 10hp different? Not enough to matter really.

 

Two motors more or less equal but one has 10 more hp... which one will most people pick?... the one with more HP, even if it only 3-4 more. This is not always a good indicator of how well a motor will perform.

 

Triple the KAE hp would be around 400HP. If his car weighs twice yours a stock KA would probably smoke him in a tiny 610!

[bonvo]

i mean 300 horse is double what the l20b is putting out stock i like the simplicity of the single cam and if the difference is a whole 10 hores ill take the cheaper motor and use it

[dat521gatherer]

the l20b stock is rated at 112 hp @ 5600 rpm

the l18 stock is rated at 100 hp @ 5600 rpm

the l16 stock is rated at 96 hp @5600 rpm

 

the stock ka24e is rated at ?

the stock ka24de is rated at ?

 

the stock sr20/det is rated at ?

 

anyone care to fill the hp in please do so

[Jason]

From the Wiki:

 

KA24e 140hp @ 5600

KA24de 155hp @ 5200

 

I will be using the KA24e myself, I got mine cheap and complete, heck, I got the complete 240sx's for $300 each. I want the FI and the torque myself from the bigger engine.

 

From the Wiki:

 

KA24e 152lb/ft @ 4400

KA24de 160lb/ft @ 4200

 

Both are good engines and you can make good power out of either if you feel the need to.

[0.C.]

I wanted to go for the single cam for the simplitity but this blown DE was given to me for free. Once I figure out the cut harness and get money to rebuild the block I'll start a build progress thread.

[datzenmike]

Z24 about 100 hp.... wow what a difference 3 valves and EFI makes.

[Icehouse]

The dual cam feels like it has more top end from my experience, which are from mostly stock engines. I like the low end of my single cam though, with the low gears in my truck its like a tractor :D

[Jason]

Well the numbers bear you out Jeff, the de should breath better at the top end because of the extra valve. I think I'll like the e just fine though, c'mon, I'm moving up from and L!

[zerow]

Is there a way to get some carbs on the KA24E? I am keeping my L20B until I kill it, and I want to try for the same thing, a KA powered 610. But, I want carbs; Hell, I'd love to try out some 44mm carbs off of a 240Z, just to see if it can be done. My 2 cents. Sorry to threadjack, bonvo.

[Jason]

Check Duke's thread for a carbed KA.

[bonvo]

lol william bro dont worry about thread jacking :P yeah duke is doing a carbed ka but hes also doing a ka24de not a ka24e i know the manifolds for both exhaust and intake (thanks to ratsun :D) are different so it would be a little different still making a custom intake at the very least the E is sounding like the winner here im looking to make good power for a daily driver but when i romp on it from time to time i got some balls and since most daily driving is in the lower end and the E can still rev to what 7000? and there cheap cause everyone is yanking them out of the s13 sounds like we got a winner johnny

[lynchfourtwenty]

i know you've seen this but maybe zerow hasnt..

 

http://forum.ratsun.net/showthread.php?t=5832

[b210in]

i have also contemplated this de vs e battle for a possible swap for my bee.

 

i have looked at dropping in a de since out here at least they are plentiful at pick a part. also, expect the price of the de's to drop even more since they are getting older. in fact, there are two e's and three de's at pick a part this very moment and yes there in 240's. i also want to get at least 300 ponies by going turbo. but,

 

it would be cheaper in the long run to just start off with an sr or ca. it would be more money up front but a lot cheaper in the long run. if 300 ponies is your goal, i would overlook the ka's and just hold off a little longer for an sr or ca. if you go turbo ka, just getting quality exhaust turbo manifold (i'm not talking cheap ebay turbo manifold), turbo, ecu, injectors, to name a few things, will put you way over what the initial investment of a ca. just my 2 cents.

[djlotus]

if you go turbo ka, just getting quality exhaust turbo manifold (i'm not talking cheap ebay turbo manifold), turbo, ecu, injectors, to name a few things, will put you way over what the initial investment of a ca. just my 2 cents.

OTOH, KA's are extremely plentiful. They are everywhere. If you happen to blow one or need some parts for it, you can head to the junkyard or your local parts store/dealership and get the parts you need right away. And if you go junkyarding or search on craigslist you can get things for real cheap.

 

That reason right there is why I don't want an SR. It's also the reason I'm having a hard time with buying a CA, even thought I would buy a CA, the lack of available parts makes it a tough decision.

[jrbd10]

i say DE!

[bonvo]

a photoshop pic of dukes carbed de in my car

[Jason]

I'm with b210in, if you want big hp and a turbo, buy a modern turbo motor and go to town. At least there's support in the aftermarket for the stuff. On the other hand if a daily driver engine with some oomph, a e or de is fine. I'm going the e route because a 152lb/ft of torque in a 510 is more than enough for me. I'm betting I could get L16 milage numbers out of it too on 87 octane gas and given the price at the pump these days, those 2 arguements weigh pretty heavily with me.

[bonvo]

like i said earlier thats all im really looking for is a dd motor with some ummph im thinking ka24e with a cam tuned ecu a headder performance intake bigger injectorsthat should give me what im looking for and if need be bump up the compression by milling the head or somthing like i said im not after huge hp here just somthing fun to drive that can occationally kick a little civics ass :D

[zerow]

i know you've seen this but maybe zerow hasnt..

 

http://forum.ratsun.net/showthread.php?t=5832

 

Thanks, lynchfourtwenty. No I did not see this one. I like the look, really.

 

I would want to try it out and feel the difference from the driver's seat. But that would be like me asking to screw someones girl, just to see if it was allright.:D