datzenmike Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Well idk what's really wrong with the truck it self I'm trying to figure out why it don't start after I changed the plugs and wires it didn't want to start no more I changed the distributor rotor the cap seems good I'm trying to narrow it down to why it doesn't want to start You have an EI distributor AKA as a matchbox. There are no points to mess with. If you only changed the cap, wires, plugs and rotor then the wires are mixed up... easy fix. If you had the distributor out then the timing is maybe out. 2 Quote Link to comment
djwarp Posted February 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 So how do I set the time right I'm Google it it kind of confuse me with retarding it I don't see a notch on the pulley it self 1 Quote Link to comment
Draker Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Its there.. look hard. could be clogged with shit. Quote Link to comment
wayno Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 See the notch, sometimes it's hard to find. 2 Quote Link to comment
djwarp Posted February 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 So should it be on the 0 when I rotate it ? 1 Quote Link to comment
wayno Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 OK, that notch will pass by the pointer twice for every one revolution the cam makes, so if you don't know what you are doing, it's kinda hard to explain unless you pull the valve cover off. This is what it is supposed to look like. Crank at TDC(0) The lobes on #1 cylinder should be pointed at 10 and 2 like in the photo below. Then you remove the distributor cap and see if the rotor is pointed directly at the post on the cap going to #1 spark plug, if it is pointed somewhere else, then you have it wrong, either the dist. was moved, or the post it is pointed at is going to one of the other spark plug wires(2, 3, or 4), if everything is looking like the photos I have posted, whatever post the rotor is pointed at is the #1 wire, and the firing order is 1, 3 , 4, 2, counter clockwise. 3 Quote Link to comment
djwarp Posted February 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 I have the cam looking like that but the distributor rotor is pointing the opposite way could I just move the order and start one where the rotor is pointing ? 1 Quote Link to comment
wayno Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Yes, what ever post the rotor is pointing at is number one plug wire, then go around the cap counter clockwise 1 3 4 2. Is the notch on the crank at the "0" ? I have the cam looking like that but the distributor rotor is pointing the opposite way could I just move the order and start one where the rotor is pointing ? 1 Quote Link to comment
djwarp Posted February 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Yes the notch is at zero and the wires are set up that way thanks for your help appreciate it I have the battery charging now I will check it tommorow and let you know if it works 2 Quote Link to comment
mrbigtanker Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 hope you get it running. Wayno you are the man. :thumbup: 1 Quote Link to comment
banzai510(hainz) Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 i think there would be more gas in that filter. olddatsuns.com tech section if you replaced one wire at a time this should not have gotton 180deg out. Were missing something here ps you dont have to open the vavlve cover to know your comming up on TDC. just look at the lobe under the oil cap close to 9 o clock comming ip to 10 and then look dial craNK to zero where rotor points is where your #1 starts at 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 i think there would be more gas in that filter. Look at the glass on the front of the carb. Got GAS??? 2 Quote Link to comment
banzai510(hainz) Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Mike carb is a weber dgv but a simple cycle of the linkage should show with aircleaner off if gas is squiring in main barrel. If not then carb needle stuck or fuel pump went bad all of a sudden during a cap change? but if not running for 2 weeks that filter may be ok and the gas just drained out 1 Quote Link to comment
djwarp Posted February 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 So I put the battery in and it didn't start I bought some starter fluid and it's still didn't turn on there's no fuel in the filter I'm guessing the fuel pump went bad 1 Quote Link to comment
djwarp Posted February 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Look at the glass on the front of the carb. Got GAS??? Therrs no glass on the carb. 1 Quote Link to comment
Charlie69 Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Be careful using starting fluid, good way to wash out the rings of oil! 1 Quote Link to comment
mrbigtanker Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 So were are you at no glass check what else is it running or not and what is it doing. Does it need Nitrous Oxide talk to us. Quote Link to comment
djwarp Posted February 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 It's not running yet I'm going to check the fuel pump to see if it works Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Well idk what's really wrong with the truck it self I'm trying to figure out why it don't start after I changed the plugs and wires it didn't want to start no more I changed the distributor rotor the cap seems good I'm trying to narrow it down to why it doesn't want to start Was this running perfect before the plug and wire change? I would guess not if you felt the need for new ones and then a new carb. IF it was running fine before, changing the plugs and wires wouldn't make it not start unless you messed with something else. Now you want to mess with the timing? If the distributor wasn't touched it shouldn't need it. You need two things for an engine to run... Spark and Fuel. The wires have current going thru I shocked my self when Some one else turned it on I have replaced the distributor rotor the cap looks fine idk if it might be timing or not when I try to turn the truck on it sounds like it wants to start but it won't I recently checked the fuel filter and looks like it's dry on it I'm not sure if it's because I haven't had it running for like 2 weeks Check for spark First check order. 1 3 4 2 counter clockwise direction... that's the same direction your toilette flushes. Pull a plug wire off and stick one of the old plugs in, lay on the grounded valve cover, crank over and look. Does it have a nice fat spark??????? Make sure! Yes... go to fuel below. No.... check both wires on matchbox module are on securely. Put old rotor and plugs back on Check for fuel... Lift air filter off and look down while pumping gas pedal. You should see a strong squirt of fuel into the primary barrel. That's the one closest to the valve cover. Got fuel?????? NO FUEL... Check gas tank gauge, got fuel in it? Pull outlet hose off fuel pump and direct into a container. Crank over engine with coil wire off so it doesn't start. Fuel should strongly pulse into container. Got fuel???? Yes... carb needle valve or float stuck not letting fuel in No..... fuel not getting to pump. Get small container of fuel and a hose. Connect up to the fuel pump inlet. Crank engine to fill carb... should start. 1 Quote Link to comment
Charlie69 Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 Just curious did you install a new distributor cap? Quote Link to comment
djwarp Posted February 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 I did not install a new cap I can't find it any where and the guy at napa said that one still looks good 1 Quote Link to comment
banzai510(hainz) Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 OK this isn't hard. the fire order looks correctt on the photo. now do the things we suggested. I said to pump the gas and you should see gas squirt in the main barrel. this will almost eliminate the fuel pump ck as it shows gas in the bowl. ck for spark were on page 3 now for a basic 3rd world ck a bushman an do in Africa in 5 mins. pull the putput fuel line and point in safe direction. if no gas come out .fill gas tank with gas. If gas in tank then swap a another fuel pump. they sell 30$ cheapies at O rileys. then one you got gas then ck the carb squirting gas. 1 Quote Link to comment
djwarp Posted February 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 So the truck is alive I put some fuel in the carb and she started up as soon as I pumped the gas I had to go buy some fuel there wasent fuel coming out of the line itself thanks everyone for the help this made my week 1 Quote Link to comment
djwarp Posted February 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 The pump started working after the car stood on for like 5 min 2 Quote Link to comment
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