Cuz Merica

[datzenmike]

Yes. But when the government forces me to have it, that's a different story. The risk is mine, the choice should be mine. I dislike the government constantly trying to protect me from myself.

But you are 'forced' to have car insurance? No one legally drives on public roads without it. How is it different, other than the government says so, so I'm against it?

 

Actually, that's exactly what socialism is.   :rofl:

 

But families band together under one roof for economic reasons.  Nothing wrong with this and an advantage. Time for America to realize socialism isn't a bad word. There are advantages to it that are unavailable to the individual.

 

 

Currently my distaste for the government healthcare program has nothing to do with actual healthcare. My government insists that I have insurance, to the point that they will fine/tax me if I don't. That is RIDICULOUS.

 

Nothing wrong with health care or everyone having protection. My point is that it's much more economical if everyone bands together to afford it.

[tr8er]

Nobody fed me any fear.Do you really think its that simple ? wow,i'm surprised it hasn't been taken care of yet.Maybe Trump should hire you on to help him repeal Obama care.

That is an argument,especially if your somebody that had his rates go up and coverage go down since this Obama care went into effect.Ive been paying for my own insurance for years with no issues.I guess its only fair that a responsible person gets fucked so some lazy ass can get himself insured.If you think Obama care has made sure all Americans are insured,your'e wrong.A lot of people can't afford it and would rather pay the penalty when tax time comes around.

I too am surprised it hasn't been taken care of yet. It seem all too often that we are in the footpath of others, while we march dressed as leaders. All people are covered in the sense that an ER won't refuse to treat. I really like that aspect of our hospitals. It gives this glimmer of care and responsibility by society. I'd certainly support a private insurance side by side with single payer. And I think a tax credit, and deduction based on your insurance could be appropriate. But the funding would reasonably come from a shared pool. That would be similar to opting out, but with some level of assurance that individuals are not a burden on ER's.

[datzenmike]

I and millions of people where better covered, in fact....i have none now thanks to Obama....I'm not paying $600/mo with a $7,500.00 deductible, fuck no!, i used to pay $160/mo. How am i better covered now????

 

Well you are only one person, who had coverage, many don't and didn't. (In comparison I have no health insurance 'bill'. My 'coverage' is afforded by the government who pays the hospital and doctors from taxes collected. One way or another I and all Canadians pay, but I don't have to worry about coming up with the payment every month. Same as you get to drive on highways but you don't 'pay' a fee every month)

 

Who said you were better covered after Obamacare? The discussion was why the rates went up and it's failure. I said probably not enough people to cover the costs and like car insurance, where everyone pays in to cover those who do have accidents.  Obviously you need more paying in through fees to cover those drawing out. 

[KoHeartsGPA]

Mike, health and auto insurance are apples and oranges....common dude lol

[datzenmike]

 I'd certainly support a private insurance side by side with single payer. And I think a tax credit, and deduction based on your insurance could be appropriate. But the funding would reasonably come from a shared pool. That would be similar to opting out, but with some level of assurance that individuals are not a burden on ER's.

 

Lets say you were very affluent. You would still pay into the health care system BUT you could have an extra layer according to your means. Now lets say you have some surgery not totally covered by the health car system. They may still be able to contribute say 20% to it and your extra layer pays the other 80%.

 

Why should you get a credit for being able to afford more coverage?????  Everyone pays.

[datzenmike]

Mike, health and auto insurance are apples and oranges....common dude lol

 

Now you're just trollin.

 

 

Both are insurances you pay for.  Both cover you for accident or illness that you couldn't pay for yourself, with the premiums of those that don't. In both cases you pay for protection, hoping you will never need it.

[tr8er]

Well. Kings story is very common. The ACA is despised by insurers and I'm only partially understanding it. The pharmaceuticals are hurting, and that is linked, so perhaps that is why. But insurance companies are getting creative with profits, giving raises to staff and creating new, high budget programs. They are making bank so wtf?

 

But fuck it, they are the ones fucking up the insurance market, so I hope they destroy it to a point where single payer finally earns the vote. But that will take some senato®s taking a pass on some serious lobby money, and Limbaugh and his clones would need to stop lobbying on air. Unlikely.

[Dolomite]

It would be one thing if collusion, racketeering, and price fixing laws were enforced against insurance companies...but they aren't. My premiums just doubled, they have every year since president jihad got his ego driven "legacy" implemented. In my opinion, a quick way to start to effectively lower premiums is to deny emergency room care of a non life threatening nature to illegal aliens. I've been in emergency with a staph infection in my knee, having to wait forever because some border jumping cocksucker had a stuffy nose. The notion that America has to be the world police/savior needs to end...I have no problem paying my buck oh five to be free of that shit.

[KoHeartsGPA]

Government can't even manage the VA healthcare properly, why would you want them to manage everyone's healthcare?

[KoHeartsGPA]

Now you're just trollin.

 

 

Both are insurances you pay for.  Both cover you for accident or illness that you couldn't pay for yourself, with the premiums of those that don't. In both cases you pay for protection, hoping you will never need it.

Ill prove you wrong....

 

Auto insurance policy applies to car owners.

 

No car = no obligation to buy insurance.

[Dolomite]

^Oh, chasquido

[john510]

Mike, health and auto insurance are apples and oranges....common dude lol

Correct

Now you're just trollin.

 

 

Both are insurances you pay for.  Both cover you for accident or illness that you couldn't pay for yourself, with the premiums of those that don't. In both cases you pay for protection, hoping you will never need it.

There is NO comparing auto insurance to health insurance.Not at this point in time.Years ago maybe.

[john510]

Ill prove you wrong....

 

Auto insurance policy applies to car owners.

 

No car = no obligation to buy insurance.

Cant wait to hear the argument on this one  :thumbup:

[tr8er]

Government can't even manage the VA healthcare properly, why would you want them to manage everyone's healthcare?

If we stopped doing things because we failed previously, that would satisfy you? The VA health care system and the general public system are very different. Apples and Oranges perhaps? No. Apples and Granny Smith anomalies. VA health care is like general insurance where a huge percentage of the covered need so much from the system. I'd image it (VA) is much more challenging.

[tr8er]

Cant wait to hear the argument on this one :thumbup:

No health (dead), no obligation to buy insurance.

[KoHeartsGPA]

Well. Kings story is very common. The ACA is despised by insurers and I'm only partially understanding it. The pharmaceuticals are hurting, and that is linked, so perhaps that is why. But insurance companies are getting creative with profits, giving raises to staff and creating new, high budget programs. They are making bank so wtf?

But fuck it, they are the ones fucking up the insurance market, so I hope they destroy it to a point where single payer finally earns the vote. But that will take some senato®s taking a pass on some serious lobby money, and Limbaugh and his clones would need to stop lobbying on air. Unlikely.

Big pharma is raping everyone, thats one of the reasons insurance is high.

[datzenmike]

Government can't even manage the VA healthcare properly, why would you want them to manage everyone's healthcare?

Yeah this isn't original, not a valid excuse and was covered on the last page.....

 

No thanks to Government controlled healthcare.They cant run a country efficiently,why would anybody think they could handle health care ? Look at what's happened to our veterans that have health care through our government.

 

 

 

 

 

Ill prove you wrong....

 

Auto insurance policy applies to car owners.

 

No car = no obligation to buy insurance.

TF you on? That's your proof??? By this above I guess..... "no body, no obligation to by health insurance"????

 

 

Starting to sound like many Americans whining about health insurance but not willing to fix it... if only to look at how others do it. So continue to shoot down opinions and ideas and take it up the ass.

[KoHeartsGPA]

If we stopped doing things because we failed previously, that would satisfy you? The VA health care system and the general public system are very different. Apples and Oranges perhaps? No. Apples and Granny Smith anomalies. VA health care is like general insurance where a huge percentage of the covered need so much from the system. I'd image it (VA) is much more challenging.

 

Absolutely not stop, but fix it, how long ago did the VA scandal get exposed????, yes a while.....what have they done to fix it?, absolutely nothing, who got fired? Nobody, there's 0 accountability for government employees, THAT IS THE ROOT OF FAILURE my friend.

[KoHeartsGPA]

Yeah this isn't original, not a valid excuse and was covered on the last page.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

TF you on? That's your proof??? By this above I guess..... "no body, no obligation to by health insurance"????

Starting to sound like many Americans whining about health insurance but not willing to fix it... if only to look at how others do it. So continue to shoot down opinions and ideas and take it up the ass.

Oh...oh....i pissed off the cannuck :rofl:

 

 

 

If i don't have insurance and get sick i still get treatment, it just cost more and pay out of pocket, if i can't afford it then the provider will work with me on payment arrangements.....see?

[datzenmike]

Thought of another socialism... farmers joining together to harvest, store, transport and market their corn, wheat, eggs. Economic advantage of joining together to cut out the middle men for economic interests that separately they could not do.

 

 

So, all pay into a government funded  non profit and guaranteed universal health care. Hell why not have it taken out of your income taxes so you don't even miss the money? No insurance companies to pay profit to, they're out. Government pays doctors and hospitals directly for billing. Economic benefits for all, cheaper rates, everyone covered.

 

But NO,..... " fuck the government, fuck insurance companies, fuck my rates and fuck all the losers I won't pay for, fuck everyone I will never give up the right to fucking bitch about it"  .............. Yeah,that will help.

[240zness]

If I can suggest the fix of removing rules that restrict competition , HSA programs even for obamacare. In order to stop the flow of power to the gov through the companies that work with them. Incentive to chose ethical companies at your price? Should build a real system in the long run.

 

Wasn't the Unaffordable Health Care Act just an executive order in the end , house didn't pass? Then amended by exc. order, then delayed by exc. order, etc.

[240zness]

Executive orders easily reversed.

 

yes we have socialism and it served a purpose , but can't bottle up the genie of freedom . Don't think people realize that it needs to be kept in check more and more, if we want real advancement for everybody

Executive orders easily reversed.

 

Wes we have socialism and it served a purpose , but can't bottle up the genie of freedom . Don't think people realize that it needs to be kept in check more and more, if we want real advancement for everybody

[240zness]

Not replying to my own , lol

[KoHeartsGPA]

If government was just a tad bit responsible and caring for us, we wouldn't be $20 Trillion in the hole.

 

 

Why should i trust them to make decisions on my healthcare?, there's not one single reason, so ya....fuck government.

[datzenmike]

Oh...oh....i pissed off the cannuck :rofl:

 

 

 

If i don't have insurance and get sick i still get treatment, it just cost more and pay out of pocket, if i can't afford it then the provider will work with me on payment arrangements.....see?

 

No, I have good 'free' coverage.

 

 

Lets say you don't have coverage. Your kid gets sick, pretty sure just a sore throat, but she's crying and the wife is upset, but its close to Christmas too and money is tight.... just for a second, you had to weigh a financial decision against your daughters well being. So $3 bottle of Tynanol or $80 trip to the ER????? Payment arrangements... makes it so much better.