datsunfreak Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Im going after some fuel economy from this car over brute power, if I wasnt after some economy, i would just stick a 350 in it. Best economy is going to come from a fresh A14, hands down. MPG won't go down much with an L16. Will go down a lot with a Z24. Unless you also swap the Z20E/Z22E EFI onto it. B) I havent even looked at the oil pan yet, so IDK yet, but if I can lay down oiltight welds on a rearend housing I think I can do it on an oil pan too. I hope maybe it just needs an attitude adjustment from a hammer though. Hammer, no. Cut and paste. Totally. A hammer has no chance here. :rofl: You basically need to section out about 4" of the rearmost part of the pan to clear the steering center link. Quote Link to comment
Kramer1981 Posted September 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Ok, my concept of ECONOMY is clearly different from yours. Im getting 25 now, I could live with 20. Keep in mind I was driving a hugeass hearse with an 8.2 in it. Four inches huh? that is a bit much to heat&beat... Quote Link to comment
Dat Lurka Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 25?? either that engine runs like crap or you're dogging the hell out of that. L20b get's 25. Quote Link to comment
king bee66 Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 a14 auto run motors arent so hot on mpgs Quote Link to comment
Kramer1981 Posted September 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 25?? either that engine runs like crap or you're dogging the hell out of that. L20b get's 25. Affirmative on both, not gentle with the gas pedal, and the weber on it is a piece of pooh, seriously, Im pretty good with Holleys and Carters/Edelbrocks, but that Weber sucks ass. Quote Link to comment
Dat Lurka Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Oh I didn't know it ws an auto. L16 and a 5 speed will give you more power and mpgs. Quote Link to comment
Kramer1981 Posted September 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Oh I didn't know it ws an auto. L16 and a 5 speed will give you more power and mpgs. Its a four speed, dont know where the auto assumption came from...seriously though, this car moves at half the speed of smell Quote Link to comment
Dat Lurka Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Someone needs to come in here and tell us if the trans and flywheel will swap to an L16. Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Someone needs to come in here and tell us if the trans and flywheel will swap to an L16. They won't. And it's not even close. Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Its a four speed, dont know where the auto assumption came from...seriously though, this car moves at half the speed of smell I'd say maybe you have bigger problems then? A healthy and well tuned A14 should be at least "fun" to drive, if not "fast". MPGs should be 25ish city and 30+ on the highway at least. Weber carbs make the car more fun, but can easily kill MPGs. Chances are that engine is just reeeeally tired. FWIW, Swapping in a fresh A14/A15 will take you a day, and be an improvement from the sound of things. But more power is always tempting... Quote Link to comment
flatcat19 Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Someone needs to come in here and tell us if the trans and flywheel will swap to an L16. They won't. And it's not even close. Anything is possible with time, money, and a welder. 1 Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Anything is possible with time, money, and a welder. To even attempt to put an A-series 4-speed on an L16 you'd need all of those, plus a dash of insanity. :rofl: Quote Link to comment
king bee66 Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Its a four speed, dont know where the auto assumption came from...seriously though, this car moves at half the speed of smell the assumption was made because of your shitty mpg's. sorry about that.... Quote Link to comment
I'm BLUE Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Anything is possible with time, money, and a welder. :rofl: bahahahaha ( I spit up some soda reading this ) Quote Link to comment
Kramer1981 Posted September 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 Ok heres the deal...either Im gonna drive this thing as is OR stick the z24 in it. Im actually sick of mechanical things for today...and that A14 could be really tired but I think at 146k it shouldnt be that bad Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 Ok heres the deal...either Im gonna drive this thing as is OR stick the z24 in it. Okay. B) Modified pan (to clear steering center link), 510 crossmember, and a 720 truck/200SX trans should be all you need to get it in there then. :thumbup: and that A14 could be really tired but I think at 146k it shouldnt be that bad I've seen it. A14s with 225k that are strong as an ox, and A14s with 120k that were worn out. While they are pretty indestructible, you can prematurely wear out the rings if they aren't well maintained. and/or the valves could be not sealing very well. Heck, you may just need to invest in some tuning/jets for the Weber. :thumbup: Quote Link to comment
flatcat19 Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 Valve adjust? Tune-up? Is the engine worn or does it need some maintenance? Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 Valve adjust? Good call. Valves way out of adjustment makes it very weak too. :thumbup: Quote Link to comment
Kramer1981 Posted September 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Okay. B) Modified pan (to clear steering center link), 510 crossmember, and a 720 truck/200SX trans should be all you need to get it in there then. :thumbup: I've seen it. A14s with 225k that are strong as an ox, and A14s with 120k that were worn out. While they are pretty indestructible, you can prematurely wear out the rings if they aren't well maintained. and/or the valves could be not sealing very well. Heck, you may just need to invest in some tuning/jets for the Weber. :thumbup: Whats the deal with the 510 x member? Not that I cant get one, I know where a 510 fourdoor is getting parted out, but why change? Quote Link to comment
flatcat19 Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 The change will make it a closer to bolt in affair. Something not mentioned-you have a cable clutch. Anything you want to swap in will be hydraulic. Something to think about. EDIT: I am incorrect with that one. I would seriously invest some maintenance into your A motor before anything else. Make sure it truly is as tired as you say. If you can't tune it up, how ya gonna pull a swap off? No offense. Quote Link to comment
Dguy210 Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Something not mentioned-you have a cable clutch. Anything you want to swap in will be hydraulic. Something to think about. B210's are hydraulic clutch also. Quote Link to comment
flatcat19 Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Are they? Why did the B310 step backwards then? Odd. Quote Link to comment
Kramer1981 Posted September 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 The change will make it a closer to bolt in affair. Something not mentioned-you have a cable clutch. Anything you want to swap in will be hydraulic. Something to think about. EDIT: I am incorrect with that one. I would seriously invest some maintenance into your A motor before anything else. Make sure it truly is as tired as you say. If you can't tune it up, how ya gonna pull a swap off? No offense. I was 99% sure I had a hydraulic clutch, but its the middle of the night and Im not going out to look. Ok maybe I should upload a bunch of pics, I have built alot of musclecars, alot, and done numerous motor swaps that werent supposed to fit, cars and heavy equipment. 302 and a toploader 4 speed in a 70 mustang 6 auto car, 400 pontiac in a 60 Cadyy, 500 Cad in a 60 Caddy, 4.3 auto in a 4banger 5 speed S10, 3tc toyota in a 69 VW bus, with a hydraulic clutch conversion, 350 into a 74 C60 Chevy truck that has a six, tiny three cylinder diesel into an old Wisconsin powered Bobcat, every MoPar swap you can think of, slant six-la-b/rb in every direction thinkable. MoPars are a pain because of the tranny kickdown rod, that can be some difficult shit to get it to work correctly. That isnt even counting 4x2 to 4x4 conversions, rearend swaps, brake upgrades, 24 inch truck lifts,IFS to D60 conversions, airbag setups, body drops, and everything else thats a royal pain. The reason I am interested in a swap is because of power and parts availability. Power goes without saying why, Im sure idiots in Hondas sporting fart can mufflers annoy everyone else as much as they annoy me. Parts availability I have noticed on the A14 is nonexistant used and very slim from parts stores, at least here anyway. But everywere seems to have alternators, belts, clutches, and such for 720 pickups...partially why I am running a 720 alternator on my B210. Ya know, for my uncle being employed by Nissan/Peugeot dealership when I was a kid, I should know more. But I dont know Datsuns specifics at all. I know good and well a 280Z engine swap would be a bad idea and I have the motor and auto trans. Most people here dont even know what a Datsun is... Point is, Im competent but a bit lazy, i think time is better spent on an upgrade than trying to rejuvenate Old Smoky. Ddid I mention that? It smokes pretty good when i fire it up. Quote Link to comment
Alex Datsun Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 http://teamfeintheart.com/2012/08/24/engines-of-td-pro-am/ heres a couple motors lulz Quote Link to comment
Dguy210 Posted September 30, 2012 Report Share Posted September 30, 2012 Are they? Why did the B310 step backwards then? Odd. Uh... B310 (210) is also hydraulic clutch....I believe only some non-US 1200's had the cable clutch for the A series stuff. Quote Link to comment
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