banzai510(hainz) Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 olddatsun.com has everthing you need to know. goin buy the top photo it looks to far adv with the timming light try the 8mm bolt thats upside down loosen it to readjust the timming plate fully the other way, then adjust the 10mm holddown bolt while using a timming light, The one with the funky ground tab you got on there. olddatsuns.com has my timming chain vid has how to install a distributor slash oil pump Quote Link to comment
flatcat19 Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 olddatsun.com has everthing you need to know. olddatsuns.com has my timming chain vid has how to install a distributor slash oil pump Best videos on the internet to watch without taking your pants off. Quote Link to comment
Odinie Posted September 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 olddatsun.com has everthing you need to know. goin buy the top photo it looks to far adv with the timming light try the 8mm bolt thats upside down loosen it to readjust the timming plate fully the other way, then adjust the 10mm holddown bolt while using a timming light, The one with the funky ground tab you got on there. olddatsuns.com has my timming chain vid has how to install a distributor slash oil pump Best videos on the internet to watch without taking your pants off. Thanks for the site, but I can't find the videos. It looks like the site's been moved around a bit in the past few years. Some of the links got dropped. Are they on YouTube? Thanks! Quote Link to comment
Odinie Posted September 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 olddatsun.com has everthing you need to know. goin buy the top photo it looks to far adv with the timming light try the 8mm bolt thats upside down loosen it to readjust the timming plate fully the other way, then adjust the 10mm holddown bolt while using a timming light, The one with the funky ground tab you got on there. olddatsuns.com has my timming chain vid has how to install a distributor slash oil pump I think part of the problem is the way it's set is retarding it as much as possible, but it's still not enough. I had everything pushed over as far as possible. It's like the distributor was installed in an improper orientation or something. Quote Link to comment
flatcat19 Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 This will get you started. The others are on the tube. Double-click video, and it will take you to the rest. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WCSh_6GA0k Quote Link to comment
banzai510(hainz) Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 like said loosen that 8mm bolt and that 10mm that holds it down and see if you can get it to RETARD. I might be looking at it wrong but his is EZ to check. set motor at TDC Zero on crank then takk the dizzy off and ck the spindal angle and see if 11.28. If not then it was installed wrong. the olddatsun.com in the tech section its there to the You Tube link. Still works fine. PS thats a nice truck hopefully you got a garage or a car port for it. Quote Link to comment
mrbigtanker Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Your truck looks really good. Quote Link to comment
Odinie Posted September 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 like said loosen that 8mm bolt and that 10mm that holds it down and see if you can get it to RETARD. I might be looking at it wrong but his is EZ to check. set motor at TDC Zero on crank then takk the dizzy off and ck the spindal angle and see if 11.28. If not then it was installed wrong. the olddatsun.com in the tech section its there to the You Tube link. Still works fine. PS thats a nice truck hopefully you got a garage or a car port for it. I know what you're saying. I initially tried that, but when I started turning the distributor the other way (with both the 8mm and 10mm bolts loosened) the timing got even further away from the marks shown in the picture. Tomorrow, I'm going to set up motor at TDC like your vid shows, and verify the position of the spindle angle. PS. Thanks for being patient. I've worked some on bikes, but these engines are different for me, and a little intimidating. I truly appreciate the help you guys! Quote Link to comment
banzai510(hainz) Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 dude these motors are EZ esp the early L16s as there is not much for emissions on them 3 main things 1)mechanical timming,also valave lash 2 electrical timming, coil ignition ect.... 3 fuel, carb It will fire!!!!! best up grade is to get a electric distributor(matchbox or a pertronix conversion) I think you go directly to chapter 5 it might cover the Distributor part in short. watch the fist part of chapter 1 and go to 5 I think it will cover it enough Damn thats a nice truck for a new Cracker to have!!!!!!!take care of it. Quote Link to comment
Odinie Posted September 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Damn thats a nice truck for a new Cracker to have!!!!!!!take care of it. Haha, don't worry, I will. I always take care of my stuff. That's why I'm on here! Quote Link to comment
Odinie Posted September 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Ok, so I watched the videos last night, and rewatched them a bit this morning before jumping in. I set the engine to TDC, and when I pulled the distributor, I saw that the distributor drive is a few degrees off the other way of the mounting holes. I watched the vids, but I didn't see where I could go about fixing the drive back to it's proper place. TDC just to confirm: Tweaked distributor drive. Angled to the left of the top hole, rather than just to the right like in the video. Quote Link to comment
banzai510(hainz) Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 OK if you watched the full vid it shows me installing the oil pump. Youll need a new gasket but dont let all the oil go out of the pump when you drop it down Line up the dimple on distributor spindal to the pin oil hole on pump and re insert pump. if correct it will come out in the 11.28 position. It might take a couple tries but youll get it and reset the dizzy and start up again. Keep crank in the Zero Position. So the privious owner has been driving this around with timming off??????? Only sometimes they do this if another Dizzy was installeds and it had the wrong distributor mount. Example there were 2 types of matchbox dizzys and they pull one and put on another mount. that where I see they should move it a tooth. But standard is 11.28 and use the dizzy with the smae mount it came with. otherwise they will work on any L motor. Quote Link to comment
Odinie Posted September 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 OK if you watched the full vid it shows me installing the oil pump. Youll need a new gasket but dont let all the oil go out of the pump when you drop it down Line up the dimple on distributor spindal to the pin oil hole on pump and re insert pump. if correct it will come out in the 11.28 position. It might take a couple tries but youll get it and reset the dizzy and start up again. Keep crank in the Zero Position. So the privious owner has been driving this around with timming off??????? Only sometimes they do this if another Dizzy was installeds and it had the wrong distributor mount. Example there were 2 types of matchbox dizzys and they pull one and put on another mount. that where I see they should move it a tooth. But standard is 11.28 and use the dizzy with the smae mount it came with. otherwise they will work on any L motor. Ok, awesome. It looks pretty straightforward. I think I may have fast forwarded last night because I didn't realize that the oil pump is involved with the timing. I was starting to get tired watching the videos around 2:00am last night. No fault of yours though. :) I'm going to tackle this tomorrow. Hopefully when this is all buttoned up, I'll have a smoother engine with a more power, and less pinging! Thanks a million for all the help! Actually, I may not be able to tackle this tomorrow. Those gaskets are special order, huh? As far as the PO is concerned, he seemed to take care of the small stuff himself like oil changes, etc, and then he had a guy do the tuneups. I can only imagine how much better this will run tomorrow. Quote Link to comment
flatcat19 Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Those gaskets are special order, huh? One comes in the Fel-Pro full gasket kit. Normally 1 day out at any parts house. I paid $20 bucks for mine. It's nice to have extra gaskets around. You'll use them. Quote Link to comment
banzai510(hainz) Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 20 min job with gasket Quote Link to comment
Odinie Posted September 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 This is a really dumb question, but do you have to drain the oil first? Or does the pump sit above the sump oil level? Quote Link to comment
banzai510(hainz) Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 just pull the pump down.Oil will spill out but it should stop unless its overfull. PS Buy the gaskets sets. Youll use them one day and have them when you need them. Quote Link to comment
Odinie Posted September 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Ouch. Just checked my local Napa, and their kit (which they can't even get) runs $75! Anywhere online that might have something? Quote Link to comment
Odinie Posted September 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 I found this kit for less. Still seems excessive though since I'm only using an oil pump seal. http://compare.ebay.com/like/330605658832?var=lv<yp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar As it stands, I keep waffling on the KA24DE or the L20B, so I'm not sure I want the whole kit when I may be getting a different motor anyway. Decisions, decisions.... Quote Link to comment
Z chopper Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 PS Buy the gaskets sets. Youll use them one day and have them when you need them. what he said, you may not need the whole set now but you will eventually Quote Link to comment
banzai510(hainz) Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 YOu have a O rileys near by???????? go to the o rileys website then enter your model rig example 71 datsun 521. once entered you can go to the blank box and enter Felpro. then a list of gaskets will come up oil pump will be one of them or a front cover set ect. it will show iteam and a photo and a UPC # you can print this or order on line or show your local O Rileys to order. Napa should sell the oil pump gaskets separate also(I think). I think they sell Victor Renz. But this is a EZ gasket to get. Like I said ealier get the Gasketset at a later date but get them as you will use them later. 75 dollars sounds like a for a full set but is not needed right now. Most likelly a front cover set would be good to have right now. But its up to you. Valve cover also. Fel-Pro - Engine Conversion Gasket Set Part # CS21178-3 23$ KA motor? Your kidding right? Theres one in seattle for sale not running. Same color not running buy that and finnish it. bet you get it cheap Quote Link to comment
Odinie Posted September 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 YOu have a O rileys near by???????? go to the o rileys website then enter your model rig example 71 datsun 521. once entered you can go to the blank box and enter Felpro. then a list of gaskets will come up oil pump will be one of them or a front cover set ect. it will show iteam and a photo and a UPC # you can print this or order on line or show your local O Rileys to order. Napa should sell the oil pump gaskets separate also(I think). I think they sell Victor Renz. But this is a EZ gasket to get. Like I said ealier get the Gasketset at a later date but get them as you will use them later. 75 dollars sounds like a for a full set but is not needed right now. Most likelly a front cover set would be good to have right now. But its up to you. Valve cover also. Fel-Pro - Engine Conversion Gasket Set Part # CS21178-3 23$ KA motor? Your kidding right? Theres one in seattle for sale not running. Same color not running buy that and finnish it. bet you get it cheap I saw that one a while back. I used to live in Seattle, but now I'm in Chico. Otherwise I would have gone to check it out. I'm not 100% on KA, but I am thinking about it. 12 hours with a trailer both directions doesn't sound like a lot of fun to me. I'll check those other retailers for the gaskets. Thanks! Quote Link to comment
flatcat19 Posted September 14, 2011 Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 Forget about the KA or the 20 for right now. You're seriously 20 minutes, and 20 bucks away from having a good running L16. Quote Link to comment
Odinie Posted September 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 Forget about the KA or the 20 for right now. You're seriously 20 minutes, and 20 bucks away from having a good running L16. Agreed. The KA would have been the long term plan. I should have been more clear. Long term meaning, maybe in a year or two once I learn more and find the right engine to use. The 20 would be more near in the future if I decided to go that way since I'm pretty confident that I could do that swap. The L16 leaks oil right now from what appears to be the rear main, but like somebody already said, I still need to do my due diligence to make sure that's actually the source. If I love the L16 and can get it ship shape, I may just rock that for a while. The only thing I'm not sure about is the fading compression on my current block. 120 seems on the low side. I think I saw somewhere that they should have 150-170. Quote Link to comment
flatcat19 Posted September 14, 2011 Report Share Posted September 14, 2011 Considering age, 120psi isn't bad. If they're all within 10% of each other, don't stress on it. Get the gasket kit, and rock it til the wheels fall off. You are so close to being ear to ear shit-eating happy. L16's are a blast. Wrap that shit to 6,000 rpm's. Get some. FelPro conversion kit Quote Link to comment
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