Automatic transmission

[Sapoo]

I’m looking to convert my manual 411 to an automatic, per my wife’s request. (As they say, “happy wife, happy life”.) has anyone done this before? Any issues I should know about? Seems like it’s pretty straight forward. Also, is sourcing a 411 auto trans even possible? I know about the classifieds, but only the scanners ever send me messages. Any help or insight would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. 

[datzenmike]

I think the 411 did come with automatics. Probably a Borg Warner 35 like the early 510. You'll need the bell bolt pattern for the R16? engine. I think Steve (]2eDeYe on here) has a 411 SSS that's automatic.

[Sapoo]

Right! I believe it is the Borg Warner. I’ve seen MikeRL411 mention in a few different threads how bullet proof they are. I’ve never seen an automatic ever come up for sale. 

[MikeRL411]

And just in case you find a basket case, complete rebuild parts sets are still available. 

[MikeRL411]

Arizona hit man has a rebuilt one, contact him!

[Sapoo]

I found one that came off a 74 Volvo 145. Any possible issue with using this one? I’m planning to bolt it on to the j13 engine. 

[datzenmike]

Well then I guess the 411 has a J series engine then and only the SSS got the R16.

 

The bolt pattern between J and Volvo is almost certainly different. The transmission bodies are probably all the same but the bell housings are different.

[Sapoo]

That’s what I thought, regarding the bell housing. I’ll have to see if I can source the bell housing or try to figure out a way to fabricate. 
 

Regarding the engine, I’m only aware of the J13 being used for the standard 411 and the R16 for the SSS. I think the E1 engine was also used on the 410, but I can’t remember. 

[datzenmike]

I learned something today. J13 and R16 in the 411.

[Greaser2]

May need to convert to E1 engine or go to R16.  

[MikeRL411]

On 5/16/2023 at 8:28 AM, Sapoo said:

I found one that came off a 74 Volvo 145. Any possible issue with using this one? I’m planning to bolt it on to the j13 engine. 

 

I honestly doubt that the J engine has the balls to operate the BW M series automatic transmission.  The BW M transmission is still used in Europe so availability of transmission and parts is there but just where there is is a question, I did manage to find a complete BW M35 rebuild kit [less the front and rear bands] so have that as a backup, Search transmission listings for discussion and part numbers.

[MikeRL411]

Just now, MikeRL411 said:

 

I honestly doubt that the J engine has the balls to operate the BW M series automatic transmission.  The BW M transmission is still used in Europe so availability of transmission and parts is there but just where there is is a question, I did manage to find a complete BW M35 rebuild kit [less the front and rear bands] so have that as a backup, Search transmission listings for discussion and part numbers.

Being used on late model European cars Metric rather than SAE fasteners MAY be substituted. Hopefully not BTS!

[Sapoo]

Did a little more research after it was mentioned that the j13 might not have the power to operate the BW. Looked into an R16 swap, but seems like that might be a bit more complicated than I was hoping for if pulled from a roadster. Was looking for a relatively simple solution so my wife could drive it in the short term. Long term plan is for an EV swap, but that’s a story for another thread. 

[datzenmike]

The J13 is about 68 hp. The A13 used in the B-210 was only 6 hp more and they were automatic. A J13 will easily work an automatic. It's not that interesting with a 4 speed just worse if an automatic. 

[Sapoo]

Does anyone know if the column shifter on the 410 was only used for auto trans? Or was there also a manual column shift? 

Edited June 1, 2023 by Sapoo

[banzai510(hainz)]

Does it drive NOW??? Call it good and use it as a weekend car that you drive together Menaing you drive and she Shotgun

 

by the time you go thru all this pain and suffering  your wife will say I dont want to even drive it after she drives it a few times

 

I drive 2 Toyotas now 91 and 92 pickups as daily and driving my 521 I say WTF was i thinking driving this contraption. I regulate it now to weekends and local.

thats what your wife will think also if she used to modern vehicles.

Edited June 1, 2023 by banzai510(hainz)

[KELMO]

4 hours ago, Sapoo said:

Does anyone know if the column shifter on the 410 was only used for auto trans? Or was there also a manual column shift? 

I stored a 1965 410 2 Dr Sedan (RHD) for a friend of mine a while back and that particular vehicle had a 3 on the tree shifter.

 

If that helps any.

[graveltrapp]

I have an R16 long block with a torque convertor attached. I bought it for the. head, it came from a 410/411 guy in Seattle. 

If interested PM me.