Emilio's79620 Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 So I just bought a new starter and spark plug for my 79 620 and it isn't turning over at all any thoughts all lights come on and all electrical work ?? 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 Hope you kept your old starter because you've probably just spent $60 on a piece of shit starter from China to prove this, and yours has another 100,000 miles left in it. Solve the problem, replace only what's needed. Place in neutral with the e brake on. Pull the small Black/Yellow wire off the solenoid. Use an old wrench and touch it across the positive battery cable where it is bolted to the starter lug and touch the small terminal where the Black/Yellow wire was connected. Expect the starter to crank the engine and a few sparks. Do NOT allow the wrench to touch any other part of the vehicle. Engine cranks???? Yes? there is no or very weak start signal from the ignition switch. 1 Quote Link to comment
Emilio's79620 Posted September 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 Well before I changed the starter and plugs it wouldn't turn over just like now but even before that she was having really bad hesitation issues while driving so I screwed with the carb and then she just wouldn't turn over anymore also why is there no fuel in the fuel filter near the carb I'm lost ratsun and I'm very depressed because I feel like I'm not a good enough owner for my babies 1 Quote Link to comment
paradime Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 If there's fuel in the tank and you're still not getting fuel to the filter, my money is on the pump. That being said, I'm thinking an electrical issue with the ignition switch could be the root cause of all this. 1 Quote Link to comment
datsunaholic Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 Well, if it's not turning over then there won't be any fuel in the filter because it has to actually turn over to make the fuel pump pump (unless it's an electric pump, that is). Screwing with the carb won't make it not turn over. Unless you dumped so much fuel in the intake it hydrolocked. But pulling the plugs would have certainly found that. Unless you're confusing "turning over" with "starting". But I assume it's not turning over (cranking) if you changed the starter. Are you sure you didn't just drain the battery trying to start it after fiddling with the carb (when the problem sounds more like it was originally just a clogged fuel filter)? 2 Quote Link to comment
banzai510(hainz) Posted September 17, 2015 Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 wiggle the connector under the key switch. test starter at O rileys. then tell us. simple fix you even measure voltage at the connector?????? 1 Quote Link to comment
Emilio's79620 Posted September 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 I bought the starter from autozone but all lights and noises work fine it's just not wanting to start also I have 620 chiltons tune guide book and I followed their directions to a t I still have the old starter as well 1 Quote Link to comment
Emilio's79620 Posted September 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 I feel as if somehow I did the install on the plugs and starter wrong though and thank you guys for the feedback 1 Quote Link to comment
Emilio's79620 Posted September 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2015 I have no voltage reader 1 Quote Link to comment
banzai510(hainz) Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 was this running fine before then later just didnt start? 1 Quote Link to comment
Emilio's79620 Posted September 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 Yeh it never gave me issues except for slight hesitation on acceleration but that was a carb adjustment 1 Quote Link to comment
banzai510(hainz) Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 have starter checked out. this is a simple fix. battery cables good and tight, not cracked 2 Quote Link to comment
Doctor510 Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Please verify for us, you may have already, are you confusing turning over with NOT starting? If it is NOT turning over with the key, try, as Mike suggested, either a screw driver from the big lug on the solenoid to the small spade connector, or get yourself a remote starter with a trigger or button. If the starter will spin the motor but will not start, be sure you have voltage at the (+) side of the coil and a wire that goes from the (-) side of the coil to the distributor. If the starter will not spin the motor with the key, find yourself and "hot shot" relay and wire it in. I had 2 602's and had to use the relay on both. 1 Quote Link to comment
Emilio's79620 Posted September 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Yeh turning over/starting I figured they were the same sorry but yeh I'm getting nothing just a click when I turn the key the battery cables are fine evrything to do with the battery is clean bare metal 1 Quote Link to comment
Emilio's79620 Posted September 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Also the starter is new just bought it 1 Quote Link to comment
Doctor510 Posted September 19, 2015 Report Share Posted September 19, 2015 Get a relay! 1 Quote Link to comment
datsunaholic Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Sadly the starter isn't "new" unless you bought it from Nissan. If it came from a chain store, particularly if it came with a "lifetime warranty" it's basically an old wore out starter that's been cleaned and painted and had badly installed new brushes put in by some 25c/hr sweatshop worker in a 3rd world country. Really, rebuilt/remanufactured starters and alternators from any chain shop are usually crap, and always a crapshoot. I've had so many DOA ones it's not even remotely humorous. I've had better luck with ones I pulled out of the mud at a wrecking yard. 2 Quote Link to comment
Emilio's79620 Posted September 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 I can hear the starter turn or move when I try to start the truck but it's not starting Again all power works it's just not starting Also I'm crap with electrical sitch 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Yeh turning over/starting I figured they were the same sorry but yeh I'm getting nothing just a click when I turn the key the battery cables are fine evrything to do with the battery is clean bare metal Does the engine turn with the starter??? Yes.... the starter is working No..... the starter is not working The click sound is the starter solenoid. It's an electrical switch turned on and off by the turn of the ignition switch in the cab. It should connect the battery to the starter windings. If only clicking there ate two possibilities... 1/ The battery has run down from repeated starting tries 2/ The starter solenoid is bad.... Hope you kept your old starter because you've probably just spent $60 on a piece of shit starter from China to prove this, and yours has another 100,000 miles left in it. Solve the problem, replace only what's needed. 1 Quote Link to comment
Emilio's79620 Posted September 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 I hear nothing and get nothing from the motor but wouldn't the battery be fine if all electrical is working and I had this same problem before the 'new' starter was installed a friend said it may have something to do with the dizzy or the little cable that is right above the positive on the starter 1 Quote Link to comment
Emilio's79620 Posted September 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Again thank you guys for the feed back I'm looking into the chiltons as I type thanks again 1 Quote Link to comment
datzenmike Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 Electric starter motors draw hundreds of amps and the dash lights hardly any. If the battery is low or cables in poor shape there will be plenty for the lights but not enough for the starter to do it's job. Thought you said there was clicking sound??? 1/ Check battery is charged. A dead battery will give the same results. 2/ Check the battery cables at the battery posts. Clean and tighten them, don't forget the ground where it bolts to the head behind the fuel pump. Clean and tight. Bad connections can give these same results. Check 1/ and 2/ first. Or we're wasting time with the starter. 2 Quote Link to comment
banzai510(hainz) Posted September 20, 2015 Report Share Posted September 20, 2015 timming would not change by just changing the starter. Im confused also is the starter turning over the motor or not. ? 2 Quote Link to comment
Emilio's79620 Posted September 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 Banzai I'm getting nothing from the motor and datzenmike wouldnt that mean my alternator is bad 1 Quote Link to comment
Emilio's79620 Posted September 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 I forgot to add that I can hear the starter move/roll while I turn the key a friend said that its improperly installed and it isn't fully touching the flywheel but I made damn sure I did it properly 1 Quote Link to comment
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