denis.drc Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 I haven't posted much to this point, but I have some time now and want to share.. I did this converison about a month ago, works great so far! I ended up welding on the brackets due to the crazy amount of offset needed to make things fit. This could have been avoided by using a different offset rotor, but I had these laying around and replacement parts are VERY available.. The reason for the unusual caliper position is due to my desired e-brake cable routing. The original hard lines weren't long enough (or good looking enough) to work, so I bent up some new ones. No pics of them, but you guys get what I'm saying. I'll add e-brake cables and an s13/14 brake handle in the next few months. Stay tuned! Keep in mind I intended to use these with rear coilovers (See below) and S13 e-brake cables. That's the whole reason for the 1 o'clock caliper position. I have the templated for these. I'm willing to sell these brackets if I get enough interest to make a production run. Ill leave more info on part availability once I have the e-brake cables installed and confirm proper e-brake operation. First things first..gotta lose the stock stuff.. The S13 goods: The inner hub diameter of the s13 rotors is a hair smaller than the 510 hubs. On the lathe they go for a re-size.. Time to measure up a bracket: Brackets made, time to test fit: Fitment = GOOD. Time to weld these bad boys on..: (Sorry pics are blury, but trust me the welds are solid. Penetration is niiiiice.. Now time to bolt it all together: 1 Quote Link to comment
Icehouse Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 At full suspension compression (with no bump stop) is there any interference? Looks bad ass! Quote Link to comment
denis.drc Posted March 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 At full suspension compression (with no bump stop) is there any interference? Looks bad ass! NONE! I'm running Tein S13 rear coilovers. Not slammed, but lowish..(see below) I can go lower without interference, but I don't like all that camber. Quote Link to comment
Rustina 510 Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Will this work on a wagon as well? Quote Link to comment
denis.drc Posted March 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 Will this work on a wagon as well? I don't think so since you have a live axle back there. The dimensions would be significantly different. I can make you brackets to make it work on a live axle. I would just need a donor car, or at least an axle assembly. Theoretically, it would be an easier job (less fab and welding) on a live axle.. Quote Link to comment
paradoxx Posted March 29, 2012 Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 love them!! would you sell a pair? :D Quote Link to comment
denis.drc Posted March 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2012 love them!! would you sell a pair? :D Sure, I have the templates. Just need enough interest to make a production run.. I'll take more pics of them when I have the e-brake cables installed. That way you guys can all see how things are routed and know exactly what you're dealing with. Quote Link to comment
Tristin Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 I would be interested in a set depending on price. Ive been thinking about rear disks but havent got a full plan of action yet. This might steer me in the S13 direction. Seems like everyone is doing brake How-Tos lately. Quote Link to comment
FiveTenzo Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 id probly be interested in a pair, i see your in davis so i can probly pick em up. BUT cant you make some bolt on ones?? Quote Link to comment
dattoboy70 Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 id be interested in the brackets Quote Link to comment
denis.drc Posted March 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 I would be interested in a set depending on price. Ive been thinking about rear disks but havent got a full plan of action yet. This might steer me in the S13 direction. Seems like everyone is doing brake How-Tos lately. I'll keep you posted. Price would likely be around $100, depending on how many I have made. Quote Link to comment
denis.drc Posted March 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 id probly be interested in a pair, i see your in davis so i can probly pick em up. BUT cant you make some bolt on ones?? I was considering making a bolt on unit, but the offset of the rotor & caliper bracket is a bit extreme for a simple bracket. If there is enough interest, I'll make one. Anyone have a spare rear control arm they no longer need? Quote Link to comment
Uber Deaf One Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 How is the braking with these rear brakes? What are you running up front? I'm not too familiar with 240SX brakes... but I understand 510s use brake sizes as brake proportioning (instead of a proportioning valve) so if you have rear brakes that are better than front brakes, your brake bias will be pretty biased towards the rear which can be a bad thing. I'm getting ready to go to rear disc brakes.. just trying to figure out WHAT I want to go with... I need something that works well with the 280ZX brakes up front lol Quote Link to comment
denis.drc Posted March 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 How is the braking with these rear brakes? What are you running up front? I'm not too familiar with 240SX brakes... but I understand 510s use brake sizes as brake proportioning (instead of a proportioning valve) so if you have rear brakes that are better than front brakes, your brake bias will be pretty biased towards the rear which can be a bad thing. I'm getting ready to go to rear disc brakes.. just trying to figure out WHAT I want to go with... I need something that works well with the 280ZX brakes up front lol Running front Wilwood Dynalite 4-piston calipers on 280zx rotors (on stock 510 struts/spindles, more on that later..) with street compound pads in the rear and somewhat aggressive "street/track" pads in the front.. Bias feels pretty solid. No nosense coming from the rear.. Quote Link to comment
TheMission Posted March 30, 2012 Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 id probly be interested in a pair, i see your in davis so i can probly pick em up. BUT cant you make some bolt on ones?? There are a ton of different bracket setups for the rear of the Z's... and some of their offsets are pretty large, especially with the s13 calipers. The kit I'm using to adapt to 2 caliper rears uses maxima calipers and a 300zx rotor and the offset is much less, so a bolt on would be easier. I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard if you found the right combination. With almost any disc swap, a proportioning valve added is a good idea, as they aren't crazy expensive and you can tune bias really quickly and easily. Finding good pad compounds is a bit more work. Quote Link to comment
denis.drc Posted March 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2012 There are a ton of different bracket setups for the rear of the Z's... and some of their offsets are pretty large, especially with the s13 calipers. The kit I'm using to adapt to 2 caliper rears uses maxima calipers and a 300zx rotor and the offset is much less, so a bolt on would be easier. I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard if you found the right combination. With almost any disc swap, a proportioning valve added is a good idea, as they aren't crazy expensive and you can tune bias really quickly and easily. Finding good pad compounds is a bit more work. Indeed sir... I'm going to do some research to see what rotors are readily available, have a different offset and most inportantly "easy on the wallet". Once I find a good rotor, I'll work on a bolt-on bracket. The cost may increase since they will more than likely be CNC aluminum unit over waterjet steel. Stay tuned! Quote Link to comment
metalmonkey47 Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Cool setup! Keep it coming Quote Link to comment
DatsunMod Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 hay, how much would you sell a pair of those brackets for ? im really interested in getting a set from you. Quote Link to comment
FiveTenzo Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 why not make brackets that use 280zx rotors or something that wont have to be modified to work? the only thing that makes me hesitate on getting these is having to modify the rotors. Quote Link to comment
denis.drc Posted April 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 why not make brackets that use 280zx rotors or something that wont have to be modified to work? the only thing that makes me hesitate on getting these is having to modify the rotors. I made mine that way because I had the parts laying around. I'm already in the process of designing a bolt-on bracket to use S13 calipers with a different rotor. Stay tuned! Here is a sneak peek at the bracket. (Note: it will look quite a bit different when done..this was one my first ideas, it has since evolved a few times, but I don't want to show off the final idea quite yet.. :ninja: This pic is just to let you guys know I haven't forgotten about the project.. ) Quote Link to comment
denis.drc Posted April 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 Btw...I can make a batch of weld on brackets you see up top.. They should be cheaper to make than the bolt-on unit.. I still need to get a quote on having these made. I'll keep you guys posted. Quote Link to comment
datsunfreak Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 I understand 510s use brake sizes as brake proportioning (instead of a proportioning valve) so if you have rear brakes that are better than front brakes, your brake bias will be pretty biased towards the rear which can be a bad thing. FWIW, they are heavily rear-biased from the factory. That's one of the reason 280ZX brakes make the car much more fun to drive, helps balance it out. I'm getting ready to go to rear disc brakes.. just trying to figure out WHAT I want to go with... I need something that works well with the 280ZX brakes up front lol Why not 280ZX rears? ;) Sorry for the minor threadjack. ^_^ Quote Link to comment
denis.drc Posted April 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 Why not 280ZX rears? ;) I think the issue is mostly with part availability.. Also, S13/14 calipers allow for a neat parking brake conversion. Plus, S13/14 parts look shiny and new (well...newER)! Quote Link to comment
Rustina 510 Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 Yeah I'm really interested in this as well. S13 parts are cheap and easy to find at any parts store, just waiting for the wagon edition to the brackets and I'm in Quote Link to comment
denis.drc Posted April 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 Yeah I'm really interested in this as well. S13 parts are cheap and easy to find at any parts store, just waiting for the wagon edition to the brackets and I'm in I don't have measurements for a wagon yet. Anyone want to volunteer their wagon for prototyping? I'm in Sac area.. I really just need an axle assembly not the whole car.. Quote Link to comment
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