raggmann Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 So I don't know what you guys are dealing with but I can't get any paint here except waterborn. Has anyone mixed up Tremclad, Rustoleum, or ?? in the 940 green? I know Home Depot has that machine that you stick in a sample piece of whatever and it givesyou the mix formula but the base colors would/could be different in house paint. Any other thoughts? Althought the body on my 521 isn't too bad, I'm not much of a body guy and there's no way I can take it to a body shop so I'm trying to do it on the cheap. Quote Link to comment
Dirk Diggler Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 House paint? Rustoleum makes auto paint, I'm actually using it on my z, i like it. It comes in rattle cans and quarts Quote Link to comment
raggmann Posted January 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 No, I don't want to use house paint. I was just thinking to get the formula of colors maybe I'd have to get the machine @ Home Depot to give me how much of what colors then hope I could find them in Rustoleum. Quote Link to comment
KyushaKai Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 We have an automotive place here called Redline which is kind of like a Napa/O'Reilley's. They have a machine that scans the paint and they can custom mix it and put it into a spray can. Quote Link to comment
merlin Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 He's in Canada. Oil based paints are being phased out here as of last summer. rustoleum in the can is now waterborne , but you seem to be able to get it in spray bombs as oil borne. it's a big pain in the butt. Quote Link to comment
raggmann Posted January 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Yeah, that's the issue. I want to do a patina paint job on my truck and if I used Rustoleum or Tremclad as the base, the top coat would have to be water borne and it won't stick to the oil "base". Maybe I'll just end up going olive drab or flat black with school bus yellow wheels. Quote Link to comment
metalmonkey47 Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 I painted my car with cheap rustoleum once. Reduced it with acetone and sprayed. Quote Link to comment
raggmann Posted January 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Which is kind of what I want to do BUT I want as close as I can get to the factory 940 Green. Quote Link to comment
Dguy210 Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Which is kind of what I want to do BUT I want as close as I can get to the factory 940 Green. House paint tints will work* in oil based Rustoleum and the formula they give you would probably be reasonably close, but as you said the base will be different. Dark greens (is 940 a dark green?) will probably need a clear/neutral base (not a clear finish) to start with, even a lighter green would probably use a midtone base and not white. Maybe buy some small cans of Rustoleum and do some color mixing to get proportions down? *I'm not sure about longevity though, but they definitely mix, or at least did the last time I tried it about ~7 years ago. Quote Link to comment
INDY510 Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 I know Home Depot has that machine that you stick in a sample piece of whatever and it givesyou the mix formula but the base colors would/could be different in house paint. Most house paint "looks" white ....... . but when you are trying to match a color there are VERY different bases to start with For a eggshell white you need a "Pastel Base" ....... (which is basically "pure white") For a brighter color you need a "Nuetral Base" For Darker colors you need a "Deep Base" The Home depot machine will need the right base to make the right color ........ ... mixing the recipe for dark green in a white can of rustoleum makes a greenish white pastel color (not the stock Datsun light green at all) Believe me I've tried ...... the tint mixes fine with water-based paint or with oil based rustoleum ....... .. but you cannot make a non-pastel color when you start with white rustoleum And there is a limit to how much colorant you can put in a gallon before it will NEVER dry House paint tints will work* in oil based Rustoleum and the formula they give you would probably be reasonably close, Not even close at all ..... ... unless you want a bamboo tan .... . or a eggshell car ....... :lol: I worked at a hardware store mixing paint ......... and I ruined a few quarts of white rustoleum trying to make the stock Datsun light green ..... The only colors you can make is a "off-white" ..... ... any more colorant and the paint will NEVER dry Quote Link to comment
raggmann Posted January 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 So I'm pretty much screwed for the stock color using an "oil borne" paint. Oh well, olive drab it will be. Maybe with a set of bright hunter orange BRE fender stripes. This truck was originally green, painted white with a brush and what I believe to be house paint, then hot pink, then top coated dark green. Using a razor scraper,I've actually managed to get almost all the paint off down to the factory paint/primer but this is the newest picture I've got. The truck is "trapped" in the garage with snow blocking the door......and the fact that I actually drove INTO the door with my lifted Dodge which broke all the tracking the door opens on. Does someone want to photoshop (or whatever it's called) this picture? Make it a little lower in the back so it's level, olive drab green, and put the bight orange BRE stripes on it for me? Quote Link to comment
Dguy210 Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 ...... Believe me I've tried ...... the tint mixes fine with water-based paint or with oil based rustoleum ....... .. but you cannot make a non-pastel color when you start with white rustoleum And there is a limit to how much colorant you can put in a gallon before it will NEVER dry Not even close at all ..... ... unless you want a bamboo tan .... . or a eggshell car ....... :lol: I worked at a hardware store mixing paint ......... and I ruined a few quarts of white rustoleum trying to make the stock Datsun light green ..... The only colors you can make is a "off-white" ..... ... any more colorant and the paint will NEVER dry You are completely correct. I meant that if he had a corresponding Rustoleum base, the formula (with universal tints) would be close, but since he can't get a deep base no-go. I chuckled at the "off-white" :P. Good to hear someone else here has done time behind a paint machine, it is a very special kind of hell. Quote Link to comment
merlin Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 actually.. try General Paint... they told me that their marine enamel was just Tremclad with a different label. they have 3 or 4 greens. Quote Link to comment
DanielC Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 It looks like the original paint is Dragon Green, Datsun code 558. Dupont uses color code 31025 for that color. Quote Link to comment
raggmann Posted January 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 It looks like the original paint is Dragon Green, Datsun code 558. Dupont uses color code 31025 for that color. Is that the light green you can kinda see on the r/h front fender,under the darker green, pink, and white? Quote Link to comment
Radim Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 I did the same on my Civic, but i would only recommend it as a temp.... it started to flake off after a year or two. Reduced it with Mineral Spirits and shot it through a HVLP Quote Link to comment
zed1 Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Sherwin Williams Retail (not to be confused with Sherwin Williams Automotive) has a product called "All Surface Enamel Oil Base" Link They have the machine to color match a sample. If you decide to go with an oil paint, this is a good alternative. Keith Quote Link to comment
steve g Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 why not just use the waterborne? Quote Link to comment
Dguy210 Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 why not just use the waterborne? Water based paints suck :D Quote Link to comment
steve g Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Water based paints suck :D Y? Quote Link to comment
DanielC Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Yes, the light green onder all the other stuff is the Dragon Green. Datsun code 558. Quote Link to comment
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