dattson510 Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Did some searching and couldn't really find any good pics or instructions on how to do this. I'm reading any where from a 1.5 to 2.5 inch drop after it's done. Can anybody elaborate on the process for me. Pics would be nice. This is for a 77 B210 which has a 4 leaf pack. I got my fronts situated, now I need the rear so I can roll a little lower into Blue Lake.:D Quote Link to comment
yello620 Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 ARe you wanting true reverse eved springs or are you just wanting to flip a leaf into the top of the pack? I dont like the flip the leaf to the top of the pack--pointless, might as well just remove it completely. Its benefit is that it fits most Ratsun budgets. A reversed eye spring is a custom peice that is made at your local spring shop. And yes it can be worth about 2 inches. This method also allow you to maintain your proper spring rate, unlike removing/flipping leafs. Jason Quote Link to comment
dattson510 Posted July 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 Yeah I'm talking about flipping. The Turd is my daily and I work 6 days a week. So I was wanting to lower it with as little down time as possible. Talked to a spring shop and de-arching is only about $150 for the pair, but it takes about 3 days to get done. So this a temporary thing until I can get a little time off. (which may be a while) So some people say flip the 1&2 springs and repack. Some people say flip 3&4 springs. Any help would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment
Cuts metal like mad Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 I had some decent result by putting the bottom (overload) leaf on top and flipping it, the ride was stiffer and about 1.5" lower after settling, but this was on a 74 corolla... I got the idea from Pac coast dat, he did it on his 510 wagon and it looks pretty good. Quote Link to comment
bonvo Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 just get some lowering blocks keep your springrate and you dont have to worry about getting a leaf threw the cheast :blink: Quote Link to comment
ggzilla Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 My B120 has the leafs spring pack upside down. Probably lowers it 2". Quote Link to comment
ppeters914 Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 There was an article with pics on doing this in the Dime Quarterly, Vol 9 Issue 1. Somebody near you subscribe? Ummmm, if you filed in the Location of your member profile, we would know where "near you" would be. Quote Link to comment
b210in Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 any update on this? Quote Link to comment
ariascarlos1990 Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 yeah. sounds interesting. I was wondering about this awhile back also. So yeah, any updates? :D Quote Link to comment
b210in Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 well, i guess i will step up to the plate and try this myself, i got my enkies looking good and now i'm dying to slap them on my b210. but i'm not going to do it if it's not lowered at least 1.5 to 2 inches, it just would not look right. this saturday. Quote Link to comment
Cuts metal like mad Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 a spring shop can do it... fairly cheap, and your not gonna get a leaf spring through your chest... Quote Link to comment
b210in Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 a spring shop can do it... fairly cheap, and your not gonna get a leaf spring through your chest... i want to try that thing you said about flipping the lower two leaf springs and putting them on top of the two main top leafs to see how much it will lower the rear. are you saying it's not worth it? going this route will not cost any money, going the other way will cost between 100 to 150. Quote Link to comment
ariascarlos1990 Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Can it be done on a 620? and still be drivable? lol Quote Link to comment
Cuts metal like mad Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 The "overload" leaf on a b210 is pretty small so its a good trick, it was TOTALLY worth it on my corolla. If you check out PCD's thread on his wagon, it would seem he is pretty satisified with it for now. On the corolla it even stiffened the ride a little, made it feel sportier without being harsh. You can't flip it on a 620 since its so BIG! On my 620 it is removed and was good for over an inch, I have even carried heavy loads... though I wouldn't recommend carrying much after its taken out... You can also remove some of the center leafs (when pertaining to springs is it leafs or leaves???) and lower it also, and the overloads will still do their job, mine however with no load in it has a VERY comfortable ride (overload out and 2 inch angled block) compared to traditional "just blocks" arraingments, or center leafs and blocks. Some people say that it could be dangerous, but so far so good... like I said I don't recommend heavy loads, my leafs were arched the opposite direction with about 800lbs back there. Quote Link to comment
ariascarlos1990 Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 Yeah the thing is I don't ever put stuff in the back well, except trash occasionally. There is already four inches of blocks back there and it sits way high. I just want it to be even with the front. I don't like the raked look of it. Quote Link to comment
b210in Posted October 23, 2008 Report Share Posted October 23, 2008 last night i did some measuring and pounding. i have a set of extra leaf springs from anther b 210. i took a completely stock set of springs and did the following: the lower two springs put on the top and the arches facing each other, it netted a total of 3 and half inch drop, copared to stock. with just the lower leaf placed on top and the three lower leafs remaining the same, it netted a 1 and quarter inch drop. one is to much and the other is too little. so this is what i did. i flattened out the two lower leafs by heating them up to almost red and pounding them out with a hammer on a steel table. i then took these two leafs springs and placed them on top of the two main top leafs. this netted a total of 2 and half inch drop. still a lot but less than three and half which is too much for me. i will post pics on saturday when i remove the stock leaf springs. Quote Link to comment
Burabuda Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 i had mine flattened by national spring co. so i didn't have to worry about how much to pound and worry if they'd be uneven they charged me $150, and it's another $100 to add a leaf i didn't want to add a leaf, in case it was too stiff of a ride you tell them how low you want it, and they take care of it i was unsure, so the guy told me i could bring them back if i needed more pounding bonvo, lowering the car is not the only objective. you also want to make sure you don't increase your chances of axle tramp, which is guaranteed if you use blocks ultimately, i want to switch over to a 4 link or something similar Quote Link to comment
ariascarlos1990 Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 i had mine flattened by national spring co.so i didn't have to worry about how much to pound and worry if they'd be uneven they charged me $150, and it's another $100 to add a leaf i didn't want to add a leaf, in case it was too stiff of a ride you tell them how low you want it, and they take care of it i was unsure, so the guy told me i could bring them back if i needed more pounding bonvo, lowering the car is not the only objective. you also want to make sure you don't increase your chances of axle tramp, which is guaranteed if you use blocks ultimately, i want to switch over to a 4 link or something similar whats "axle tramp"? Quote Link to comment
sanitys Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 whats "axle tramp"? http://autorepair.about.com/library/glossary/bldef-021a.htm Quote Link to comment
ariascarlos1990 Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 oh? Quote Link to comment
sanitys Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 (edited) oh? yeah i wasnt familar with the term either, from the quick google its more or less a type a wheel hop, atleast thats what i got from it. Im gonna try flipping some leafs tomarrow, ill let you know how it goes. Edited November 11, 2008 by sanitys Quote Link to comment
ariascarlos1990 Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 lol. I recently took out the overload leaf in mine but it didn't seem to do anything. I with my truck was slammed. It came with three leafs and there stiff ass heck! I think thats why im not getting any lower. Should I run one leaf? I dont think thats save but, what do you guys think? Quote Link to comment
sanitys Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 lol. I recently took out the overload leaf in mine but it didn't seem to do anything. I with my truck was slammed. It came with three leafs and there stiff ass heck! I think thats why im not getting any lower. Should I run one leaf? I dont think thats save but, what do you guys think? well I checked out this thread... http://forum.ratsun.net/showthread.php?t=7580 and he doesnt have blocks yet his looks just about as low as mine, so im hoping if I do the same thing Ill get another 3-4 inches, but we will see tomarrow... Quote Link to comment
datsunaholic Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Removing the overload doesn't do anything until you have over 700lbs or so in the bed. Its purpose is to keep the main springs from bending past the point of no return (at around 2000lbs in the bed, hitting a speed bump could concieveably bend the springs permanently). Just running the one main leaf is a recipe for disaster- there's nothing to prevent them from twisting, and you''ll end up with the axle out of alignment. Just taking a corner at 40MPH could do it. What you really need to do is get rid of the 1973 springs- they're rated at 1Ton, and a FAR stiffer than what was used in '75-on. There are various versions, but the ones used in '78-79 are the weakest. The best thing to use is 3 leaves from the trucks that had 5 leaves (the leaves themselves are much thinner). Fortunately I don't have that problem... Need a bigger overload, though. Quote Link to comment
Burabuda Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 whats "axle tramp"? hehe, start using aussie terms after you hang out on aussie forums ;) Quote Link to comment
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