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This is NOT my truck (obviously) but I'm trying to help diagnose a funny noise.

 

Sounds like a dying squirrel under the hood. We searched all over for vacuum leaks but weren't able to locate any.

 

The truck runs fantastic, makes plenty of power, and doesn't even hesitate to leave you behind. (Ignore the backfire in the vid. That was prior to a timing adjustment)

 

The truck is L18 w/ Weber and a shortie header.

 

 

We were able to narrow down using a medical grade stethoscope that the sound is coming from the secondary barrel on the driver side under the idle jet.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDUYCXgigyw

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Whats that canister on the intake? Maybe a diaprham in that has a hole and is making the whistle.

 

make sure the 2nd barrel is fully closed.

at idle the 2nd barrel should be fulley closed. Sometimes the spring that keeps the 2nd barrel falls off but this wiyuld cause idle proplems.

 

If you think its the 2nd barrel open the aircleaner and get motor running and open the 2nd barrel by passing the 1st barrel to keep it running. see what it does. Isolate the proplem from there.

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Some Webers have a BIG vacuum port on the back, on the secondary barrel. I had the cap blow off mine and then came the high-pitched squeal of air being sucked in. Fortunately I found the cap in the parking garage the next day. Then I fixed the backfiring problem (which was a loose tach lead grounding out the ignition against the brake pedal).

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So here we go...

 

truck no longer runs. He was on the way back home with it and it stopped running. We've verified spark and fuel. When it runs, it runs like shit an backfires out the carb like mad. We have seen 3 foot fireballs out of the carb.

 

The squealing got louder, but is probably unrelated. We tore the Weber apart and didn't find anything out of the norm to cause the squealing.

 

 

According to him, when he got out and checked the truck, the distributor was loose. We played with timing a bit but it still doesn't run. I personally think the the distributor when it was loose lifted up enough for the shaft to skip a tooth or two on the distributor and leave timing WAY retarded.

 

We played with it last week, but I haven't had a chance to get back out there and help him.

 

Thoughts?

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that spindle shouldn't skip a tooth, unless the oil pump was off. IIRC there just isn't enough room for it to move up far enough to do that. But its been a year or two since I've tossed an L together.....

Distributors on L motors cant skip a tooth.its a slot.

How about pull the distribtor and see if it spins ok

 

 

OOPS I'm still thinking A-Series!

 

The bolt was long gone when he got back to it so It could have easily lifted up enough for it to spin 180 degrees on the slot, leaving the timing WAY off. I need to get back over there and do some more looking at it.

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Still looking. Ignition timing is out the door here. We've tested the distributor by swapping a new one since it was available and we've gotten no change.

 

 

 

I'm thinking cam timing is the next possibility. Slack on the timing chain allowing it to skip a tooth? I don't have much experience here, so anymore advice is appreciated.

 

What can I do to check this? I'm valvetrain ignorant and I know nothing about 'timing marks' and all that good stuff.

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Pull the valve cover off. Turn motor til crank is at TDC, and cam lobes of cylinder 1 are just about at 10&2. Look at the timing marks at the cam sprocket to the cam retaining plate.

 

Crank at TDC

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Cam at TDC roughly

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Timing marks

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Backfiring and afterfiring is quite odd and I would say there is some wonky ignition stuff, my did this when the condenser went out. Fuel or mechanical timing should be consistently either back or after fire, not both.

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Cam timing probably wasn't it.

 

I looked at it today, and he has NO spark now. He's replaced the dizzy and coil under warranty.

 

He has 12V @ ignition, and at dizzy (points dizzy) + has about 8V iIRC. No spark from coil though. We removed the condenser just on a whim to see if it was possibly a DOA part.

 

No change.

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OOPS I'm still thinking A-Series!

 

The bolt was long gone when he got back to it so It could have easily lifted up enough for it to spin 180 degrees on the slot, leaving the timing WAY off. I need to get back over there and do some more looking at it.

 

Again the dizzy can only fit the spindle in one position. It can't fit 180 on it. If you look the slot is off center to prevent this. :)

 

 

Cam timing probably wasn't it.

 

I looked at it today, and he has NO spark now. He's replaced the dizzy and coil under warranty.

 

He has 12V @ ignition, and at dizzy (points dizzy) + has about 8V iIRC. No spark from coil though. We removed the condenser just on a whim to see if it was possibly a DOA part.

 

No change.

 

 

Crank over with the cap off. The points MUST close and MUST open for the coil to work. If you have dual points and one set doesn't open, it wont fire. If there is a bare wire touching the dizzy body, it won't fire.

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Dang mike, that's great about the dizzy. I've never had to look that far into it on an L series to worry about it. I'll look at the points next time I'm in his direction.

 

 

The squealing is odd, because I've had the carb apart down to every last piece and didn't see anything unusual. When it ran, it had no symptoms of a vacuum leak, and we didn't find any when we were looking with carb cleaner.

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Get a test light from Distributor tab to the +side battery. turn motor over and light should switch ON/OFF if good.

 

If light ON all the time its grounding out.

If Off all the time its not groundeing out.

 

Once I went to Pertronix I never had this proplem ever again.

 

Points I would have proplems like this only when I swapped out the points. So usually operator induced error. worn wire.

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  • 2 weeks later...

The truck runs! Thank god.

 

Turns out the points were garbage.

 

AC Cardone reman distributors are garbage. New points and it runs. As far as the squealing, he found a leak around a shaft or something? Not too clear about that, but it's good now.

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Someone bought a re-manufactured distributor ... and did not choose electronic ignition?

 

Glad to hear the problems have been solved. Happy driving!

 

Yeah... at the time he wasn't aware of the simplicity of the swap. He's going for a matchbox soon. As am I. I've got the remote igniter dizzy on my L20 with the matchbox module.

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The squealing might be the adapters.. Run your fingers along it with it running for a change of tone or it stopping.. Mine sounded like it was coming from the water Pump or similar to the sound when a alternator goes out...

Mu squealing. And from the adapters that vibrated loose (like everything else in my engine bay!! )

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